This seems pretty bad to me. Isn't this a whole new class of laws? Do we have any existing laws that makes generic criticism of the government illegal? I would think the next logical step would be to make it illegal to criticize the president.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...lags-protests/
Does Trump wants to lose?
Hmmm....interesting. From the story there are several laws the protestors could be prosecuted under without having a specific flag burning law:Originally Posted by Madison320
Protesters took down an American flag and replaced it with a Palestinian flag and at one point burned the U.S. flag before someone ran into the crowd and snatched it away.
Theft of federal property, disorderly conduct, and violation of the federal riot statute. And that would be true if these were right wing protests who stole a Palestinian flag and set it on fire in the middle of the street. But if somone buys a flag with his own money and sets it on fire on his own property, as long as he isn't violating and burning ordinance, that should be legal.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I keep wondering that over and over.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
This will resonate with a certain % of people.
As far as the protestors, some came off as agent provacateurs.
Exactly! Why aren't they arrested for damaging and defacing public property? This is so obviously what should be happening, I find it mind-boggling that nobody even brings it up!
Trump is being a chump with this stupid idea about arresting flag-burners. I seem to recall him suggesting this during his first term, too. Apparently he's still taking advice from morons.
Trump is not a libertarian. Imagine that.
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I disagree.
Trump knows perfectly well that:
(1) he isn't going to be able to do it (Presidents don't set prison terms for federal crimes - Congress does), and
(2) if he (or Congress) tried, the courts would slap him down, toot sweet.
He's just throwing red meat to the part of his base that doesn't know any better.
They are the "chumps" here, not him.
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- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
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Well, miseducating the stupids with this "red meat", and labeling constitutionalists "stupid people", is bad all around. He should be trying to help those clueless republicans that don't know better, rather than encouraging everyone to be stupider.
I guess your point is that there are so many "stupids" out there, this can earn him a lot of votes, but to encourage such ignorance stikes me as sinful. Also, it's insulting to everyone who supports adhering to our constitution.
Well i saw two images of two likely provacateurs that were responble for the burning of the flag while they were at it.
They were caught smiling and on camera while pretending to be pro palestine..
I got my Sam Cooke on now, Guess wat song
Do something Danke
I don't disagree with any of that.
But "miseducating" supporters and constituents is pretty much par for course for almost every politician out there.
The "chumps" (left or right, progressive or conservative) eat that $#@! up. (If they didn't, politicians wouldn't keep feeding it to them.)
Trump is nothing special in this regard.
(Ain't democracy grand?)
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And I would add that the part of his base that does know better are apt to just gloss it over and shrug it off, because they know it won't go anywhere.
Maybe. Perhaps the idea that he’s a Democratic operative whose goal is to wreck the GOP so bad they won’t win elections anymore might not be far fetched after all.
Exactly right.
This has already been adjudicated a hundred times, and the courts have routinely ruled that flag burning is 1st Amendment protected free speech.
Now, try burning a fagg flag and see what happens to you.
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What of it, comrade? Don't you hate hate?
Of course comrade, I hate hate very much.
In fact, is it not time for the daily "Two Minute Hate" session?
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It is never not time for a good "Two Minutes Hate".
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We merely require subjects upon whom to practice such virtue ...
Right wing political correctness. The dumb SOB has obviously never read Texas v Johnson. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/fed...pinion-1958037
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Meh, if that was a proposed federal law, I would not fight for or against a specific law FOR THAT ACT ONLY. It's not an important issue to me, but I could live with a ban on it.
That's pretty much his entire base.
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Any way, SCOTUS already ruled it's a First Amendment freedom of speech right. Let's not go throwing the baby out with the bath water. Seems like every time a Republican wins the White House, the Constitution ends up taking more of a beating than when a Democrat wins. Strange how that works....
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Lol , ya,I dont tink trump cares
Do something Danke
SCOTUS just got rid of ROE v. Wade. It's not beyond the realm of possiblity they could reverse on this issue as well. But I can't imagine this is really a Trump priority. He tends to get off track at his little maga pep rallys and say things like this.
Go sell that bilge water to the thousands of 6 Jan political prisoners.
Or to the millions that will find regulatory relief due to the overturning of "Chevron".
Or the hundreds of thousands that will now live due to "Roe" being overturned.
The GOP is no white horse, is no savior.
99 times out of a hundred, they will do the wrong thing.
On the rare occasion they do, it will likely be by accident or for the wrong reasons.
The Marxists, however, will never do the right thing, ever.
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If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.
https://x.com/LeadingReport/status/1816610609619705974
“It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan
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Then you are not, in fact, "for freedom of speech and expression".I could live with that. I don't see it as a pressing issue, I'm for freedom of speech and expression, but if that one particular act became illegal I don't see it as the end of the world.
But you are right about one thing: the "end of the world" - or at least, the end of whatever liberty we have left in the world - won't be due to "that one particular act".
Rather, it will be due to the combination of "that one particular act" with all the other "particular acts" to which you will no doubt also have few or no particular objections (because you "don't see it as a pressing issue", or whatever bland excuse) - until one day you find yourself wondering where the hell what was left of your freedom went. But by then, it will be much too late.
Take whatever side of the issue you want about it being protected speech, but it's not "criticizing the government", it's a statement of hatred for the country itself and its people.
It's a physical statement of "Death to America and it's people".
Any foreigner caught doing it should get instant deportation.
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So, if someone does something for a reason you don't understand, that's never "crazy like a fox", that's always invalid just because you don't get it.
A centrist position, taken by pretty much everyone who is the center of his own little universe.
Honestly, I'm not going to fall for your little trap. I don't give a $#@!.
Not everything is some slippery slope gray area that is going to steal your "freedoms"
Properly worded laws barring specific actions work.
Then you are not, in fact, "for freedom of speech and expression".QED
Don't be coy.
Next time, just stick to saying you don't give a $#@!.
There's no need to waste anyone's time (yours or others') with all that "I'm for freedom of speech and expression" BS.
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