Harris now leading Trump in polls

[Snowball]

Today
07/22/2024
Exclusive: Harris leads Trump 44% to 42% in US presidential race, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ds/ar-BB1quKSh

June 28. Not even a month ago.

RealClearPolling averages show that limited surveys suggest that Harris has an even bigger disadvantage than Biden if she were to run against Trump. The former president leads Harris by 6.6 percentage points, with 49.3 percent support to the Democrat's 42.7 percent.

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harr...-polls-1918689

[unknown]

I got her pole right here.

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, this is the push polling to show the enthusiasm. We'll see if it holds.

Remember, she's there to stop the down-ballot bleeding. If she can do that, they may actually end up running her as a sacrificial lamb for the party. She's only got to retain these numbers for a month. After the convention, it'll be alright for the crash.

[Mordan]

Polling is all fake today.

You are paid to get the results required. They asked bad polls for Biden. They got them so they could kick him out. Now they asked good Kamala polls. They got them.

[Anti Federalist]

See, that didn't take long at all.

[dannno]

In one poll.. I've seen two other recent polls showing her behind by 6-8 points.

[Intrepid]

I predicted this back in the Winter of 1987.

[Voluntarist]

At this point, the only polling that counts is what comes out of the swing states:
- Pennsylvania
- Michigan
- Wisconsin
- Nevada
- Arizona
... and maybe the "GOP by a hair" states of North Carolina and Georgia.
I'm pretty sure New Hampshire and Minnesota are lost to the GOP this time around.
There were sounds being made about Virginia being a possible GOP pickup, but I think that went out the window when Vance was chosen for VP instead of Youngkin.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

In one poll.. I've seen two other recent polls showing her behind by 6-8 points.

I have no desire to see her behind. Kristi Noem is a different story.

[Todd]

Does anybody care to start a thread about the fact that this is the most clear evidence that we do not have any Democratic process?

I mean here we are with President saying he will be stepping down and they have not gone through any process other than a bunch of establishment elites in a backdoor room, saying “Kamala is our girl”.

I mean, WTF? Isn’t there supposed to be voters who get to at least look like we are picking nominees at the convention?

help me out here

[WarriorLiberty]

Does anybody care to start a thread about the fact that this is the most clear evidence that we do not have any Democratic process?

I mean here we are with President saying he will be stepping down and they have not gone through any process other than a bunch of establishment elites in a backdoor room, saying “Kamala is our girl”.

I mean, WTF? Isn’t there supposed to be voters who get to at least look like we are picking nominees at the convention?

help me out here

I agree and if you honestly want my opinion? calling this a soft coup would be right.

we do not have any Democratic process?

What they did to Biden was not in anyway Democratic.

[Dr.3D]

LOL, polls are there so people can look at them and say to themselves, "I don't want to vote for a loser so I'll go by what this poll says and vote for a winner."

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Does anybody care to start a thread about the fact that this is the most clear evidence that we do not have any Democratic process?

I mean here we are with President saying he will be stepping down and they have not gone through any process other than a bunch of establishment elites in a backdoor room, saying “Kamala is our girl”.

I mean, WTF? Isn’t there supposed to be voters who get to at least look like we are picking nominees at the convention?

help me out here

Aren't those the elected officials the American people elected acting on behalf of those that put them in office?

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I am thinking Harris should have Joey as her VP running mate!
Together they can continue the good work they have started.

[69360]

One recent poll. The RCP average has 10 polls Harris v. Trump and Trump is leading 8 of them and is 1.6 up in the two way and 3.2 up in the more realistic 5 way.

[jmdrake]

Does anybody care to start a thread about the fact that this is the most clear evidence that we do not have any Democratic process?

I mean here we are with President saying he will be stepping down and they have not gone through any process other than a bunch of establishment elites in a backdoor room, saying “Kamala is our girl”.

I mean, WTF? Isn’t there supposed to be voters who get to at least look like we are picking nominees at the convention?

help me out here

@Matt Collins posted a video about the 1968 Chicago convention which pointed out that for many years political parties just picked whoever they wanted without a primary process. I seriously have no freaking idea how third parties like the Libertarian or Green parties pick their candidates. (I see AngelaTC on X talking about it at times and it's all opaque to me.) That said I think most Democrats are okay with the choice. Who else were they going to pick? Gavin Newsom? LOL!

[jmdrake]

See, that didn't take long at all.

Of course not. Trump was running away with the "Joe ain't really here" special with an undercurrent of "The Biden family is really corrupt even if you won't admit it" side order. The side order helped mute to some extent for thinking voters (i.e. independents) the "Trump is a 34 count convicted 91 count indicted felon found liable for sexual assault/rape." Now that Biden's not the candidate how to attack Harris? That's the question. Yeah she can be attacked for covering up for Biden not really being there and for not standing up for Tara Reade (even though she initially said she believed Tara Reade's story) but that's not the same as being someone with classified documents in his car next to his Corvette and not being prosecuted because of his faulty memory.

So...what to do about Harris? Trump cut Hillary's legs out from under her in the second debate when Hillary was attacking him for his record on women by pointing out the women Bill messed over. Trump needs to make Tara Reade the Monica Lewenski of 2024 and child Harris not standing up for her. Harris said in 2020 that Tara Reade has a right to tell her story. Well, now Tara Reade is returning to the U.S. to press charges against Joe Biden. Will Kamala ensure that she gets to "tell her story" now?

[ClaytonB]

Brace for the new, MOST POPULAR PRESIDENT EVER!!!

[A. Havnes]

Of course not. Trump was running away with the "Joe ain't really here" special with an undercurrent of "The Biden family is really corrupt even if you won't admit it" side order. The side order helped mute to some extent for thinking voters (i.e. independents) the "Trump is a 34 count convicted 91 count indicted felon found liable for sexual assault/rape." Now that Biden's not the candidate how to attack Harris? That's the question. Yeah she can be attacked for covering up for Biden not really being there and for not standing up for Tara Reade (even though she initially said she believed Tara Reade's story) but that's not the same as being someone with classified documents in his car next to his Corvette and not being prosecuted because of his faulty memory.

So...what to do about Harris? Trump cut Hillary's legs out from under her in the second debate when Hillary was attacking him for his record on women by pointing out the women Bill messed over. Trump needs to make Tara Reade the Monica Lewenski of 2024 and child Harris not standing up for her. Harris said in 2020 that Tara Reade has a right to tell her story. Well, now Tara Reade is returning to the U.S. to press charges against Joe Biden. Will Kamala ensure that she gets to "tell her story" now?

Emphasis mine. The best way to attack Harris is through her record as prosecutor. In our world of really talking about criminal justice reform, Harris' 'top cop' persona will work against her. Besides her most heinous acts (blocking evidence that would exonerate an innocent from death row), she locked up parents for truancy, jailed people for marijuana violations in an act of major hypocrisy on her part, and kept people beyond their sentences to basically use as slave labor. All of these things affected poor people and the black community negatively, and she desperately needs the black vote to stay relevant, as race is really the only thing going for her.

There's also her terrible job handling the border, the fact that everyone has just laughed at her for four years, and the fact that she claimed to believe Biden's accuser until the opportunity for VP hit her (she's a mad opportunist who also slept with a man decades older than her for career advancement when she was younger), and then towed the party line that Biden's brain was totally functional.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Of course not. Trump was running away with the "Joe ain't really here" special with an undercurrent of "The Biden family is really corrupt even if you won't admit it" side order. The side order helped mute to some extent for thinking voters (i.e. independents) the "Trump is a 34 count convicted 91 count indicted felon found liable for sexual assault/rape." Now that Biden's not the candidate how to attack Harris? That's the question. Yeah she can be attacked for covering up for Biden not really being there and for not standing up for Tara Reade (even though she initially said she believed Tara Reade's story) but that's not the same as being someone with classified documents in his car next to his Corvette and not being prosecuted because of his faulty memory.

So...what to do about Harris? Trump cut Hillary's legs out from under her in the second debate when Hillary was attacking him for his record on women by pointing out the women Bill messed over. Trump needs to make Tara Reade the Monica Lewenski of 2024 and child Harris not standing up for her. Harris said in 2020 that Tara Reade has a right to tell her story. Well, now Tara Reade is returning to the U.S. to press charges against Joe Biden. Will Kamala ensure that she gets to "tell her story" now?

Get on the stage and just start laughing and don't stop. My response to your accomplishments, ha, hahahahahahahahah......

[jmdrake]

Emphasis mine. The best way to attack Harris is through her record as prosecutor. In our world of really talking about criminal justice reform, Harris' 'top cop' persona will work against her. Besides her most heinous acts (blocking evidence that would exonerate an innocent from death row), she locked up parents for truancy, jailed people for marijuana violations in an act of major hypocrisy on her part, and kept people beyond their sentences to basically use as slave labor. All of these things affected poor people and the black community negatively, and she desperately needs the black vote to stay relevant, as race is really the only thing going for her.

There's also her terrible job handling the border, the fact that everyone has just laughed at her for four years, and the fact that she claimed to believe Biden's accuser until the opportunity for VP hit her (she's a mad opportunist who also slept with a man decades older than her for career advancement when she was younger), and then towed the party line that Biden's brain was totally functional.

You, of course, are exactly right. And......Trump is unlikely to do that because he's currently running as a law and order candidate as opposed to a criminal justice reform candidate. That's a shame really because his record on criminal justice reform is actually pretty good and in 2018 he was praised for it even by democrats. Personally the reason I was hoping for Tim Scott to be the VP nominee is I was looking forward to Tim asking Kamala why she filibustered his police reform bill. I predict Trump's main attack will be her obvious failure as a border czar which she will respond with "Why did you scuttle our bipartisan border control bill? Why (cackle) oh why?" And his comeback will be "I was able to control the border using the tools I already had." And she will respond with "Like that border fence that you never finished?"

[Swordsmyth]

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll has found that Harris leads Trump 44% to 42% in the national poll (with a 3% margin of error).
Yet, there's a catch. As we noted in the 2016 and 2020 elections, pollsters had their thumb on the scale by oversampling Democrats.
Well, they've done it again - sampling 426 Democrat voters vs. 376 Republicans and 341 Independents.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...just-one-catch

[Voluntarist]

I predict Trump's main attack will be her obvious failure as a border czar

... which she wasn't. She was never put in charge of the border or immigration policy. Nor was she involved in overseeing law enforcement efforts or guiding the federal response to securing the border. What she was tasked with was to oversee the "root causes strategy". She was to focus on examining and improving the underlying conditions in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras - which have been racked by poverty, war, chronic violence, and political instability for decades. The strategy relies on allocating billions of US $$$ for economic programs and stimulating private-sector investment in the region in hopes that these programs would ultimately lead fewer migrants to make the journey north. It's nothing like securing the border.

She can probably be saddled with the "Border Czar" tag in states that are already going to vote red (which are sympathetic to conservative arguments and want to believe them), but doubtful in the tossup states (which is where the election will be won).

Personally, I think it's stupid to believe you can solve other countries' problems for them - particularly when you increase the US deficit/debt to even try. Cripes, the US has had a war on poverty in the US since the 1960's, and it's gotten absolutely nowhere. So, if you're going to saddle her with something, then saddle her as supporting that Biden/Harris misguided and wasteful spending program ... because that's something that fiscal conservatives across the country can scream about. It's just not as sexy as saying that Kamela failed at securing the border.

[Theocrat]

Does anybody care to start a thread about the fact that this is the most clear evidence that we do not have any Democratic process?

I mean here we are with President saying he will be stepping down and they have not gone through any process other than a bunch of establishment elites in a backdoor room, saying “Kamala is our girl”.

I mean, WTF? Isn’t there supposed to be voters who get to at least look like we are picking nominees at the convention?

help me out here

Even the BLM organization is now acknowledging that the Democratic Party isn't democratic anymore (about time):

[jmdrake]

... which she wasn't. She was never put in charge of the border or immigration policy. Nor was she involved in overseeing law enforcement efforts or guiding the federal response to securing the border. What she was tasked with was to oversee the "root causes strategy". She was to focus on examining and improving the underlying conditions in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras - which have been racked by poverty, war, chronic violence, and political instability for decades. The strategy relies on allocating billions of US $$$ for economic programs and stimulating private-sector investment in the region in hopes that these programs would ultimately lead fewer migrants to make the journey north. It's nothing like securing the border.

She can probably be saddled with the "Border Czar" tag in states that are already going to vote red (which are sympathetic to conservative arguments and want to believe them), but doubtful in the tossup states (which is where the election will be won).

Personally, I think it's stupid to believe you can solve other countries' problems for them - particularly when you increase the US deficit/debt to even try. Cripes, the US has had a war on poverty in the US since the 1960's, and it's gotten absolutely nowhere. So, if you're going to saddle her with something, then saddle her as supporting that Biden/Harris misguided and wasteful spending program ... because that's something that fiscal conservatives across the country can scream about. It's just not as sexy as saying that Kamela failed at securing the border.

The root cause is U.S. foreign policy. You try to destabilize foreign governments and "Surprise, surprise" you cause a migrant crisis. And....Trump worked to destabilize Latin American countries like Venezuela as well. And there's the ongoing failure of the war on drugs. Anyhow, I doubt Kamala will be able to deflect Trump's "border czar" attacks by explaining to voters that she was really the "immigration root causes policy coordinator" or whatever her title was. She'll probably pivot away from that subject whenever it comes up.

[Occam's Banana]

Does anybody care to start a thread about the fact that this is the most clear evidence that we do not have any Democratic process?

I mean here we are with President saying he will be stepping down and they have not gone through any process other than a bunch of establishment elites in a backdoor room, saying “Kamala is our girl”.

I mean, WTF? Isn’t there supposed to be voters who get to at least look like we are picking nominees at the convention?

help me out here

Well, you see, there's this duality to the nature of democracy ...

https://x.com/OwenGregorian/status/1815932439849755060

[Todd]

@Matt Collins posted a video about the 1968 Chicago convention which pointed out that for many years political parties just picked whoever they wanted without a primary process. I seriously have no freaking idea how third parties like the Libertarian or Green parties pick their candidates. (I see AngelaTC on X talking about it at times and it's all opaque to me.) That said I think most Democrats are okay with the choice. Who else were they going to pick? Gavin Newsom? LOL!

speaking of which....I follow Angela on Facebook and X. Are we ever lifting her ban?

[oyarde]

At this point, the only polling that counts is what comes out of the swing states:
- Pennsylvania
- Michigan
- Wisconsin
- Nevada
- Arizona
... and maybe the "GOP by a hair" states of North Carolina and Georgia.
I'm pretty sure New Hampshire and Minnesota are lost to the GOP this time around.
There were sounds being made about Virginia being a possible GOP pickup, but I think that went out the window when Vance was chosen for VP instead of Youngkin.

I dont think wisc and virginia will be within reach

[jmdrake]

speaking of which....I follow Angela on Facebook and X. Are we ever lifting her ban?

I remember one of the moderators saying her ban was lifted a long time ago but she just chose not to come back. It's ironic. In the early days when 9/11 truth threads routinely got shuttled off the the Hot Topics dungeon and I and others would voice our displeasure, one of her comebacks would be the forum owners property rights as if I didn't have the right as a consumer to voice my displeasure. Her view was "If you don't like it, just leave." So....I guess she left and decided not to come back. It's a shame, but on the other hand she is being true to her principles.

[jmdrake]

Even the BLM organization is now acknowledging that the Democratic Party isn't democratic anymore (about time):

Did you see the comments? Knee grows are finally turning on BLM because they aren't backing the cackler in chief.

Knee grow # 1: As a Black Woman living in America I welcome canceling this organization as well. YOU ARE NOT FOR US! You utilized the pain of Black people to advance the name #BLM BUT never stood in the trenches with the cause. YOU’RE DONE!

Me : Funny but the same thing can be said about Kamala Harris. She FILLIBUSTERED a police reform bill in 2020 even though she and other democrats were given the opportunity to add amendments. That and her record as a "progressive prosecutor" disqualifies her as a black leader.

Knee grow # 2: Right! Protesting is one thing, but legislation is another. If your org can't partner w a party, it does not have the chance to get to gov leaders.The reason this org is not taken seriously is because they don't understand political partnerships.

Me: Party politics is why black people didn't get a police reform bill in 2020, as the democrats filibustered it, but Asians got a hate crimes bill in 2021.