Originally Posted by jmdrake
That's what some people are saying.
🤷*♂️
Guessing his "defense" will be that he was terrified that she may throw the water/pot at him.
After telling her to move it...
Maybe the demon in him thought the pot was filled with holy water?
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
https://x.com/VP/status/1815835328587985100
https://x.com/beinlibertarian/status...37479167222242
I guess you're learning that despite your personal feelings, Floyd wasn't about race, or criminal cops, but merely a powerful image to engender a sought after reaction (racial strife and chaos). Apparently, that isn't convenient now...so no one will get excited.
Yeah, I saw that. We'll see what happens at the convention. Ironically much of the George Floyd Justice In Policing Act is a copy of what the DEMOCRATS FILIBUSTERED in 2020. Trump should point that out, but I doubt he will lest he offend the wing of the party that was thrilled at drunk frat boy made monkey noises at a black woman who was on campus advocating for the Palestinians. Donald Trump was pro criminal justice reform in 2018 but I never hear him talking about that now and frankly I don't blame him. As soon as 2019 came around and the election was looming, his contribution to that effort was immediately forgotten and/or dismissed.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Hello. I see you just joined May of 2024. I've been here since 2008. And long before George Floyd I knew that BLM was more a political movement than a civil rights movement. That said there are racist cops and there are criminal cops. And there are also white criminal cops who kill white people and black criminal cops who kill black people. And sometimes the cops get criticized for doing the right thing like the cop who shot Makaya Bryant seconds before she could stab another black woman. (And in my opinion that story ended BLM as a movement that could garner mass protests).
One more thing. I'm seeing racist and/or copsucker whites on X trying to defend the cop that murdered the woman over a pot. I kid you not. "She was manic" and "She couldn't explain the SUV in her driveway" as if that somehow justifies killing a woman who's holding a freaking pot. If you're a grown ass man and you're scared of a woman holding a pot, you have no business being a police officer.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"Nobody wins in a Dairy Challenge" ~ Kenny Rogers, RIP
"When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken, or cease to be honest." ~ anonymous
“The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools” ~ King Crimson
It was during the Covid-19 plandemic when we learned that most PhDs are as intelligent as chimpanzees.
As a result, PhDs are no longer permitted to refer to themselves as "Doctors".
It's also painfully clear that Mr. Grande inserts gerbils up his butt.
That having been said, I did watch the entire video, he was somehow able to keep my attention.
I thought he presented a good summary.
But I would disagree with his view on the mental illness aspect.
It's the cop who's $#@!ing insane.
Last edited by unknown; 07-24-2024 at 01:05 PM.
Way too many of these guys can’t wait to escalate a situation. Like he said in the video, when he saw the pot he advanced rather than take a few steps back. Had to draw that weapon.
"Nobody wins in a Dairy Challenge" ~ Kenny Rogers, RIP
"When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken, or cease to be honest." ~ anonymous
“The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools” ~ King Crimson
Here's Nate The Lawyer's take (the video may be set to "Members Only" soon, so if you're interested, you might want to watch it now unless you're a member of his channel):
Was I Wrong About The Sonya Massey Shooting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hz7-nvZq8
{Nate The Lawyer | 26 July 2024}
Nate also discusses the analysis of the case by John Bryan (a.k.a. The Civil Rights Lawyer) and Bruce Rivers.
The video from Bryan can be found in this post.
Here's the Bruce Rivers video:
Criminal Lawyer Reacts & Analyzes the Bodycam Footage of Sonjya Massey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjOg4gbQ3aY
{CLR Bruce Rivers | 24 July 2024}
ORIGINAL VIDEO BY @PoliceActivity:
- Bodycam Footage of Deputy Shooting Sonya Massey in Springfield, Illinois
Here is Nate's previous video on this case (already set to "Members Only", but included here for completeness):
NEW Body Cam Shows Woman Throwing Boiling Water AFTER Cops Threaten To Shoot Her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpEDHU-3oVY
{Nate The Lawyer | 24 July 2024}
Woman Throws Boiling Water at Cops, Police Action Backfires. In this intense body cam footage, witness the moment a routine call escalates tragically in Illinois. Sonia Massie, a mother of two, calls 911 for help, only to face a fatal confrontation with the police. The incident raises questions about the use of force and the Graham v. Connor standard. See the full breakdown of the events, the legal implications, and the reactions from both the community and law enforcement. Don't miss this in-depth analysis and join the discussion on whether the police response was justified.
00:00 - Intro
00:40 - Law (Graham Factors)
03:50 - First Body Cam View
17:48 - Second Angle Body Cam
18:37 - Water Thrown
19:50 - Steam From Water
22:27 - Media Ignores Facts
25:14 - Apply Graham Factors
28:48 - Outro
I always assumped that the woman may have thrown the pot of water. BUT WHY THE HELL WAS THE OFFICER MOVING TOWARDS THE WOMAN IN THE FIRST PLACE? What's the range of water being thrown out of a pot by a woman? Ten feet? At 7:30 the lawyer that Nate accurately says "If they walked outside for two seconds, who's harmed? Nobody. And guess what? She's alive." How does that analysis change? Guess what? It doesn't. This isn't Kyle Rittenhouse where he was chased down, cornered, and had to shoot because the jackass grabbed his gun. The cop here is the one who created the dangerous situation. The standard that Nate uses is that a police officer can use "reasonable force under the circumstances" to prevent bodily harm. How is it reasonable to move as close as you can to someone who hasn't broken any law up to this point and is holding a pot of hot water when you can just back the fvck up? And if this case is truly "50/50" then it's time to change the law. If the only person the cop is protecting is himself, if he is not enforcing any actual law (this isn't someone with a murder warrante for example) and if the only reason he is there is to "rpotect and serve" the person he ultimately kills, that should be prima facia evidence that the force is not reasonable.
Last edited by jmdrake; 07-29-2024 at 08:56 AM.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Interesting take on how the pre-meditation charge would be justified.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Yeah, but that isn't the point. Not my point, anyways. George Floyd provided an image, a visceral image that was useful inciting racial strife. Hell, it's burned into my mind (though I spend more time looking at screens than I should). While the ingredients of that, and this murder, may be "racist" (in the old fashioned use of the term) the images ( the kneeling picture) are not provided to engender, contribute to, assist, or et al., any material changes with regards to ol fashioned racism. The images are used (assisted by a decade of pre-propaganda) to increase already artificially agitated racial strife.
George Floyd's death, and this woman's murder, are useful to the coopting ghouls.
Everyone who may call themselves a healthy member of our species cares about this murder. Provided theyve seen the video.
The rest is artificial, as usual.
Isn't it curious how, once again, we have a clear-cut case of murder by the police against a POC.
However, this one does not have the blowback of St. George of Fentanyl or Michael Brown, and others.
It is almost as if the chaos directors intentionally choose ambiguous cases to maximize the polarizing racial rift without critical analysis.
This case is about as bad as a case can get and deserves people in the streets of Springfield, IL and the Sangamon County Sheriffs Department scared about their personal and professional futures.
Interesting.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
The TRUTH About the Sonya Massey Shooting - from an ACTUAL lawyer who litigates police shootings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfBCca_Yedk
{The Civil Rights Lawyer | 31 July 2024}
[from the pinned comment:]
Here's the X thread I posted with all the screenshots: https://x.com/johnbryanesq/status/1817972814638637419
If you're not on X, you should be able to view the thread here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...638637419.html
My first video with the footage: https://youtu.be/7jP3FGj7syI [see this post - OB]
RAW footage from the Illinois State Police: https://youtu.be/HFun2GydGyU
Thanks! I was just about to post this. I respect Nate The Lawyer, but I think he got this one wrong. Even with the second body cam footage it's difficult to justify the shooting. She had already put the pot down when he came around this counter. She finally threw the water at him because she was scared for her life and didn't see any other options. If he walks then the law needs to seriously be changed.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I don't think Nate would disagree that "the law is an ass".
He certainly gave the cop a good dragging. at any rate - so I don't think he's letting his sympathies override his critical analysis.
Nate identifies what is probably the best "angle of approach" this cop's lawyers can take.
And who knows? It might actually work. I guess it's going to depend on what the jury thinks.
THREAD: Trump demands immunity for police
Go to 4:03 to skip the initial chit-chat.
Cops Breakdown The Sonya Massey Shooting That NO ONE Else Said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wjp9CmHaYY
{Shots Fired Podcast | 30 July 2024}
Special guest Scott Savage joins us to discuss the Sonya Massey shooting and the background of the deputy who shot her.
I don't disagree with your position. I am just saying that Nate put too much emphasis on "I saw the second body cam and they didn't" in his explaination as to why he came to a different conclusion from the other attorneys he was referencing.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
So....the cop now says HE FELT THREATED BY SONYA SAYING "I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS!"
Can the cop be charged with an anti-Christian hate crime?
https://abc7chicago.com/post/sonya-m...kill/15148316/
Deputy who shot Sonya Massey thought her rebuke 'in the name of Jesus' indicated intent to kill him
ByJOHN O'CONNOR Associated Press AP logo
Monday, August 5, 2024 10:39PM
Deputy who shot Sonya Massey thought she indicated intent to kill him
Chicago police said a 12-year-old boy was wounded in a shooting inside of a home in the Bronzeville neighborhood Monday night.
Chicago police said a 12-year-old boy was wounded in a shooting inside of a home in the Bronzeville neighborhood Monday night.
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. -- The deputy sheriff who fatally shot Sonya Massey in her Illinois home last month said he believed that when the Black woman who called 911 for help unexpectedly said, "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus," that she intended deadly harm, according to the deputy's field report released Monday.
"I interpreted this to mean she was going to kill me," Sean Grayson wrote, adding that when he drew his pistol and Massey ducked behind a counter that separated them, he moved around the obstacle fearing that she was going to grab a weapon.
Grayson, a 30-year-old Sangamon County Sheriff's deputy, faces first-degree murder, aggravated battery and official misconduct charges in the death of the 36-year-old Springfield woman on July 6 which has drawn nationwide protests over the killing of Black people by police in their homes. Grayson has pleaded not guilty. His attorney, Daniel Fultz, declined to comment Monday.
Massey's family has called for the resignation of Sheriff Jack Campbell - who has refused to step down - arguing that problems in Grayson's past should have precluded a law enforcement assignment. The family has hired civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who did not immediately respond to requests for comment by phone, email or text.
Grayson and a second unidentified deputy answered her call about a suspected prowler just before 1 a.m. Inside her home, Grayson directed that a pan of water be removed from a burner on the stove. Grayson and Massey shared a chuckle as he warily moved away from the "hot steaming water."
"Sonya turned to face me holding the pot. I did not know the type of liquid that was boiling," Grayson wrote in his report three days after the incident.
"I advised Sonya to put the boiling liquid down. Sonya stated (she) was going to rebuke me in the name of Jesus. She stated this twice. I interpreted this to mean she was going to kill me."
Massey's family has said that Sonya Massey struggled with mental health issues. She met the deputies at her front door by repeating, "Please God" and inside the house, asked Grayson to pass her a Bible.
Upon hearing the religious admonition, Grayson then drew his pistol and barked commands to "drop the (expletive) pot." Massey ducked behind the counter, rose up and appeared to grab the pan again before diving for cover. Grayson said he stepped toward and around the counter to keep Massey in sight, wary that she might have a hidden weapon.
"As I approached the cabinet, Sonya stood up from a crouched position, grabbing the pot, raising it above her head and throwing the boiling substance at me," Grayson reported. "I was in imminent fear of getting boiling liquid to my face or chest, which would have caused great bodily harm or death."
It's unclear from the video whether Massey attempted to toss the pan's contents, and she was obscured from view when Grayson fired three 9 mm rounds, one of which struck Massey just below the eye. His report then indicates he looked down to see the liquid had "hit my boots and I observed steam coming from the cabinet area."
By the time he completed the field report July 9, Grayson had been placed on administrative leave. The document indicates he received department permission to review the body camera video, the bulk of which had been recorded on the other deputy's camera. Grayson said he thought his was on when the two first met Massey at the door, but he didn't turn it on until just after the shooting.
The other deputy's report was not part of the release, which included seven other officers' reports of their activities at the site of the shooting and all completed on July 6 and one completed July 7, heavily redacted before release, by a deputy who had a casual conversation with someone who was familiar with Massey.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Wow! I'm just partway through this and I was floored by this fact. One of the indicted cops supervisors said he "made bad decisions" and then when on to say "I don't know how you're still working here." And yet this guy was still allowed to go out in the field with a gun? Mind = blown. At the very least he should have been assigned to desk duty only.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Did the cop's girlfriend know Sonya Massey?
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
If I were the prosecution or lawyers for the civil suit, I would prominently feature the skull tattoos for the jury.
So......this story has dropped off the front page of the 24 hour news cycle. There are no "Say her name" protests. Yes the cop is being prosecuted and will probably get convicted of something. But the arrest of Derek Chavin didn't slow down the BLM protests. And this isn't the only case in 2024 that could have sparked nationwide protests.
There was the 2024 case of a black church deacon who was tazed to death after refusing to sign a ticket.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/bod...EEH4OOFIDNNYU/
And there was another handcuffed man who died after repeatedly telling officers "I can't breath."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...the-rcna149334
Had these happened in 2020 at the very least there would have been mass protests in the respective cities and at the worst case the downtown areas would have been set ablaze.
So...why the calm in 2024? Well for one BLM has lost pretty much all credibility. (Which is a way is bad because they have been one of the most vocal groups against the coronation of Kamala Harris.) For another...the media and the Democrats wanted a "The country is out of control" narrative in 2020 and they do not want that in 2024. That's part of the reason who Joe Biden and Kamala Harris spoke out against the pro Palestinian protestors and called acts of grafitti at college campuses "violent" when they were in complete solidarity with BLM / antifa protestors in 2020 and didn't call out arson and looting as "violent." I suspect we'll hear Sonya Massey's name briefly mentioned at the DNC convention, but that's about it.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
This trend has been noticed for many years...and it's obviously intentional. Dare we call it "Marxism"?
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