Trump picks Ohio senator J.D. Vance as VP candidate

[WarriorLiberty]

JD Vance confirmed

[Snowball]

The Aspen Ideas Festival is a program of the Aspen Institute.

2018.

Humans are tribal. But in America today, the allure of tribalism takes us down one treacherous path after another. American political elites have ignored the group identities that matter most to ordinary Americans. Identity politics have seized both the left and right in an especially dangerous, racially inflected way to the point that every group now feels threatened. To survive, America must transcend tribal fears and loyalties and forge an authentic national identity: one that acknowledges the reality of group differences and fights the deep inequities that divide us. Underwritten by Koch Industries.



https://www.aspenideas.org/sessions/...l-of-tribalism
Speakers: J.D. Vance, Amy Chua

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3s4ezgFaUE

[wizardwatson]

So, did a little research as I literally did not know who this guy was, though I feel like I had heard his name thrown around.

So he grew up lower-middle class.
Joined marines.
I assume GI billed his way through Yale (which means his IQ is high).
Met an Indian chick who he married and who clerked for John Roberts.
Graduated in 2013.
Wrote Hillbilly Elegy in 2016 which sounds like a boring ripoff of themes outlined in Thomas Sowell's "White Liberals and Black Rednecks".
Then got bankrolled by 213th richest man in the world who made him partner in venture capital firm.
Converts to Catholicism (wife remains Brahmin Hindu but 'supports him').
Billionaire then bankrolls his senate run (along with 180K from AIPAC).
Spends less than two years in Senate and is now VP pick.

...amazing grass roots story. Just like Obama.

[Okie RP fan]

So, did a little research as I literally did not know who this guy was, though I feel like I had heard his name thrown around.

So he grew up lower-middle class.
Joined marines.
I assume GI billed his way through Yale (which means his IQ is high).
Met an Indian chick who he married and who clerked for John Roberts.
Graduated in 2013.
Wrote Hillbilly Elegy in 2016 which sounds like a boring ripoff of themes outlined in Thomas Sowell's "White Liberals and Black Rednecks".
Then got bankrolled by 213th richest man in the world who made him partner in venture capital firm.
Converts to Catholicism (wife remains Brahmin Hindu but 'supports him').
Billionaire then bankrolls his senate run (along with 180K from AIPAC).
Spends less than two years in Senate and is now VP pick.

...amazing grass roots story. Just like Obama.

Dang, you hit that nail right on the head.

[Anti Globalist]

So, did a little research as I literally did not know who this guy was, though I feel like I had heard his name thrown around.

So he grew up lower-middle class.
Joined marines.
I assume GI billed his way through Yale (which means his IQ is high).
Met an Indian chick who he married and who clerked for John Roberts.
Graduated in 2013.
Wrote Hillbilly Elegy in 2016 which sounds like a boring ripoff of themes outlined in Thomas Sowell's "White Liberals and Black Rednecks".
Then got bankrolled by 213th richest man in the world who made him partner in venture capital firm.
Converts to Catholicism (wife remains Brahmin Hindu but 'supports him').
Billionaire then bankrolls his senate run (along with 180K from AIPAC).
Spends less than two years in Senate and is now VP pick.

...amazing grass roots story. Just like Obama.

He never held any other politician positions prior to being in the Senate? I could have sworn he was a member of Congress. Unless I'm confusing him with somebody else.

[wizardwatson]

He never held any other politician positions prior to being in the Senate? I could have sworn he was a member of Congress. Unless I'm confusing him with somebody else.

Nope. Obama was a statesmen by comparison, serving as Illinois state senator from 1997-2004 before being sworn into U.S. senate in 2005.

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsH6vikiuiw

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEy-xTbcr2A

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgSW17kdOwA

[Occam's Banana]

THREAD: The oficially **official** Vance vs. Walz "debate" thread

[Snowball]

hmm.

Norman Ornstein — who is an emeritus scholar at the Koch-funded American Enterprise Institute — said that Vance "is not a leader."

"He is a pandering, cowardly, disgraceful lickspittle to Trump and and Putin," he said Saturday. "That he would say this is a true reflection of who he is."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-BB1pWxD1

[WarriorLiberty]

hmm.

Norman Ornstein — who is an emeritus scholar at the Koch-funded American Enterprise Institute — said that Vance "is not a leader."

"He is a pandering, cowardly, disgraceful lickspittle to Trump and and Putin," he said Saturday. "That he would say this is a true reflection of who he is."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-BB1pWxD1

This could be a interesting choice we shall see.
I dont like the pick over the Israeli support.

But American govt would be countered with Euporean Leftists so they cant throw in heavy support to Israel as they would have hoped.

[Snowball]

This could be a interesting choice we shall see.
I dont like the pick over the Israeli support.

But American govt would be countered with Euporean Leftists so they cant throw in heavy support to Israel as they would have hoped.

everyone can think about this and decide for themselves.
it's complicated. i do think Vance being from Ohio was the kicker.

pretty soon the ball will go back to the Democrats when Not Biden is nominated.

[WarriorLiberty]

At least he voted yes with Rand Paul a few times?

[CaptUSA]

At least he voted yes with Rand Paul a few times?

Let's say it like this... AT LEAST IT ISN'T RUBIO

[asurfaholic]

Let's say it like this... AT LEAST IT ISN'T RUBIO

Yea thank god. I read a headline somewhere that said trump picks Rubio. Maybe I completely misread it, but I threw up in my mouth. Then later I heard Vance. I don’t know much about him except I remember seeing him and liking his stance on a few hearings. Can’t remember the subjects but my impression was positive without knowing him well.

[Occam's Banana]

[Sonny Tufts]

This is nothing new. Ted Cruz once described Trump as a “pathological liar,” “utterly amoral,” and “a narcissist at a level I don’t think this country’s ever seen” and then once Trump became President turned into a Trump sycophant. Too often power triumphs over principle.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Does it show that people that didn't get along can mend their fence and get along?

[vita3]

Virginia & Georgia need tp be filled in Red

[Mordan]

not the worst pick

imagine Nicky Haley... now that would have meant Trump was full of $#@!.

[Brian4Liberty]

Vance's voting record:


https://thenewamerican.com/freedom-i...lator/v000137/

At least he voted yes with Rand Paul a few times?

I've tried to track some of the important votes, and it appears that Vance votes with Rand most of the time.

There was one vote on a Rand Paul Amendment, and Vance sat it out. It was a 4th Amendment related vote:

https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/pr...t-for-sale-act

Rand Paul Amendment:

Senate:

Question: On the Amendment (Paul Amdt. No. 1614 )
Vote Number: 63
Vote Date: February 29, 2024, 06:24 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5
Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1614 to H.R. 7463 (No short title on file)
Statement of Purpose: To establish prohibitions relating to the purchase or sale of State or municipal securities.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...18_2_00063.htm

Republicans who voted with Democrats:

Collins (R-ME)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Rounds (R-SD)

Sided with Democrats by not Voting:

Barrasso (R-WY)
Britt (R-AL)
Cassidy (R-LA)
Daines (R-MT)
Moran (R-KS)
Risch (R-ID)
Romney (R-UT)
Scott (R-SC)
Vance (R-OH)

[Brian4Liberty]

JD Vance was 4th best in Senate according to the Republican Liberty Caucus Scorecard:

https://rlc.org/rand-paul-scores-100...liberty-index/

1. Rand Paul
2. Mike Braun
3. Mike Lee
4. JD Vance



Tim Scott, on the other hand, was one of the worst in the Senate. Only Romney was worse.

[A. Havnes]

Better than Heley, but I would've preferred Ramaswamy.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/RandPaul/status/1812939497031549090

[unknown]

This Trump IS the swamp.

He literally packed his cabinet and administration with lobbyists and industry insiders.

Other than the border, WTF did he do?

[unknown]

Rand AND Massie are endorsing this dude...?

I dunno.

[Origanalist]

Rand AND Massie are endorsing this dude...?

I dunno.

It kind of makes one pause doesn't it? I wasn't a big fan of this pic.

[Okie RP fan]

https://x.com/RandPaul/status/1812939497031549090

https://x.com/MassieforKY/status/1812930050376782055

Interesting... A Rand and Massie endorsement??

This Trump IS the swamp.

He literally packed his cabinet and administration with lobbyists and industry insiders.

Other than the border, WTF did he do?

He met with Kim Jong Un and tried to cool relations.
He didn't overly expand our existing wars anymore than his predecessors.
He began the Afghanistan withdrawal.
He pissed a lot of establishment D.C. creatures off for a variety of reasons.

I used to have a slightly longer list than this when people asked this question but I've forgotten everything else now. And no, I'm not saying these things in defense of him, per se. I do think he was leagues better than Bush, Obama and Biden, however.