2024 Republican National Convention Official Thread

[Invisible Man]

My point is that never in my lifetime have I seen the GOP as a more open forum than it is now.

And we're sitting on the sidelines b*tching, as we usually do.

I guess we're just going to let the neocons wiggle their way back into power.

I don't see what you describe. I have never seen a GOP more narrowly defined by a cult of a single person than it is now. Critics of Trump are not welcomed in it. Republican primaries revolve around who can get Trump's endorsement and best convince Republican voters that they are Trump's allies.

[LibertyEagle]

Because the government, specifically the libs, like to deny and prohibit drilling and exploiting our own resources when there is no reason to do so.

The point is that we won’t be the ones using it. While I agree with more drilling, I would prefer to be the ones using it. We are not at a risk of running out of oil, but is there a point we should be concerned with shipping most of it to other countries? Talking about the drilling on “federal land”.

[Brian4Liberty]

Where was Rand, Massie, Lee, Cruz, or even Ron Paul? They could have used this convention to gain influence in the next administration and promote their brand of conservatism. All of them MIA. Rand has been such a disappointment past few years. He could have setup for a presidential run in 2028. If he tries to run for a 4th Senate term when he promised term limits and to only serve 2 terms, I'm donating against him. He's completely lost the fire to do anything meaningful. Get the loser out.

Throw out the best Senator because he wasn't invited to the dog and pony show? That don't make no sense.

Uh, have you not seen him be the lone voice fighting against Fauci and calling out all of it as BS?

And no, let's be honest, Rand is not Presidential material simply because he doesn't connect well with the average voter. That's ok though because to be President you would have to do a lot of bad things to get there.

Exactly. And his opposition to the vax is probably the reason he wasn't invited to the Trump show.

And lest we forget, according to measures that matter like key votes, Rand is the best in the Senate.

[69360]

I don't see what you describe. I have never seen a GOP more narrowly defined by a cult of a single person than it is now. Critics of Trump are not welcomed in it. Republican primaries revolve around who can get Trump's endorsement and best convince Republican voters that they are Trump's allies.

It'll be over soon. Trump won't live forever. He's 78 and with the stress of 4 more years as POTUS he probably won't make it much longer. I can't imagine the Trump era of the GOP going on much past 2028.

[Brian4Liberty]

Why is drilling our own oil en masse seen to be a great thing? It is almost if people think that this all will be kept in the U.S. But oil is sold on the global market. What am I missing?

You are correct. The main objective of the oil companies in increasing production is to export it. They don't care about prices in the US. They prefer that they stay high.

It's like the pharmaceutical industrial complex. Charge as much as they can in the US, sell them for cheap in other countries.

It's an inherent contradiction. "We will fight globalism by helping those who are globalists".

The US consumers will benefit only when the global price drops. But all of the restrictions and regulations in the US that are anti-competitive will remain, and the price will always be higher than in less constricted and regulated nations.

[jmdrake]

Where was Rand, Massie, Lee, Cruz, or even Ron Paul? They could have used this convention to gain influence in the next administration and promote their brand of conservatism. All of them MIA. Rand has been such a disappointment past few years. He could have setup for a presidential run in 2028. If he tries to run for a 4th Senate term when he promised term limits and to only serve 2 terms, I'm donating against him. He's completely lost the fire to do anything meaningful. Get the loser out.

Make sure you post your donation against Rand so I can counter balance it with a donation for him. He and Massie were the lone voices of reason during the COVID scamdemic. And term limiting your own best senators and congressmen when the other side isn't doing that serves absolutely no purpose. Ron Paul probably wasn't invited. I'm sure he could have been in the crowd but so freaking what? Massie did a good job moderating the alternative presidential debate. As far as 2028 is concerned, who knows what America will look like by then? The economy stands a good chance of imploding regardless of what the next president, Trump or Biden, does. If Trump is at the helm a Republican won't win again for a generation. If Biden is at the helm they'll just blame his dementia and the dems will recover after a couple of cycles.

[Matt Collins]

Throw out the best Senator because he wasn't invited to the dog and pony show? That don't make no sense.



Exactly. And his opposition to the vax is probably the reason he wasn't invited to the Trump show.

Who said he "wasn't invited?" I'm pretty sure a sitting US Republican Senator can just walk into the RNC without an "invite."

[Matt Collins]

The point is that we won’t be the ones using it. While I agree with more drilling, I would prefer to be the ones using it. We are not at a risk of running out of oil, but is there a point we should be concerned with shipping most of it to other countries? Talking about the drilling on “federal land”.

Oil is a commodity, the more oil on the market, the lower the prices globally.

[Brian4Liberty]

Who said he "wasn't invited?" I'm pretty sure a sitting US Republican Senator can just walk into the RNC without an "invite."

To be clear, I am saying Rand wasn't invited to give a speech. And that is my assumption, based on the fact that Rand didn't speak there. Of course he could attend if he wanted to. AFAIK, he may have attended the convention.

[unknown]

Guys, they won't allow it.


https://x.com/atrupar/status/1813371585329311745

[Matt Collins]

To be clear, I am saying Rand wasn't invited to give a speech. And that is my assumption, based on the fact that Rand didn't speak there. Of course he could attend if he wanted to. AFAIK, he may have attended the convention.

Ah gotcha

[nobody's_hero]

I don't see what you describe. I have never seen a GOP more narrowly defined by a cult of a single person than it is now. Critics of Trump are not welcomed in it. Republican primaries revolve around who can get Trump's endorsement and best convince Republican voters that they are Trump's allies.

On the issues, it's wide open. Why was Tucker allowed to speak? He's directly at odds with the guy @Matt Collins started a thread on. There's still a very real battle going on within the GOP, and it supersedes Trump. I would say you are the one who is looking at this too narrowly.

[LibertyEagle]

Where was Rand, Massie, Lee, Cruz, or even Ron Paul? They could have used this convention to gain influence in the next administration and promote their brand of conservatism. All of them MIA. Rand has been such a disappointment past few years. He could have setup for a presidential run in 2028. If he tries to run for a 4th Senate term when he promised term limits and to only serve 2 terms, I'm donating against him. He's completely lost the fire to do anything meaningful. Get the loser out.

Rand tried that once. Remember? And it was pretty bad. He would have had to get a lot of training to get more charisma or something. I hate it, but he just didn’t come across well.

He is by far the best Senator up there, at least since Barry Goldwater in his younger years. But Rand is even better. I am thankful that he is still there.

[LibertyEagle]

On the issues, it's wide open. Why was Tucker allowed to speak? He's directly at odds with the guy @Matt Collins started a thread on. There's still a very real battle going on within the GOP, and it supersedes Trump. I would say you are the one who is looking at this too narrowly.

It’s that *insert bad word* Nikki Haley that I was a bit surprised at. That told me this was the RNC doing it, instead of Trump.

[jmdrake]

Uh, have you not seen him be the lone voice fighting against Fauci and calling out all of it as BS?

And no, let's be honest, Rand is not Presidential material simply because he doesn't connect well with the average voter. That's ok though because to be President you would have to do a lot of bad things to get there.

Rand tried that once. Remember? And it was pretty bad. He would have had to get a lot of training to get more charisma or something. I hate it, but he just didn’t come across well.

He is by far the best Senator up there, at least since Barry Goldwater in his younger years. But Rand is even better. I am thankful that he is still there.

I 100% disagree with "Rand is just a bad campaigner" argument. You don't get re-elected to the U.S. Senate if you can't connect with average voters. It's not like congress where you just have to win a district. Rand lost in 2016 to Trump because the Republican electorate was angry and Trump was the best at playing off that anger. There is nobody better than Trump at anger politics. If you watch the UFC, Jon Jones made former UFC champion Daniel Cormier look like he didn't even belong in the ring and DC was literally crying at the end of the fight. That doesn't mean he couldn't fight. No matter what happens this year, Donald Trump will not be running in 2028. (Thank God!) Can Rand Paul hold his own with the average GOP voter against a Nikki Haley or a Ron DeSantis? I think so. But that's the only fair metric to look at. Throw the 2016 presidential campaign into the garbage bin of history where it belongs. It's got no bearing on anything that happens going forward.

[dannno]

I don't understand the question.

My point is, Ron Paul would not have been welcome at the Republican Convention.

You are so full of $#@!.

Karl Rove, Mitt Romney, George Bush Jr - NOT WELCOME AT THE CONVENTION

Rand Paul would have gotten a huge standing ovation.. Ron Paul would be more than welcome as well. Ron Paul would not have received a warm welcome at the GOP conventions of old.

This is all such great news.

Have you considered TRT?

I actually don't recommend it... I would try natural methods first. But it seems like an unintended consequence of it's recent popularity is creating Trump voters.

[Anti Federalist]

On the issues, it's wide open. Why was Tucker allowed to speak? He's directly at odds with the guy @Matt Collins started a thread on. There's still a very real battle going on within the GOP, and it supersedes Trump. I would say you are the one who is looking at this too narrowly.

Exactly.

And that battle will continue after he is gone.

It really isn't too difficult: will there be a political party in the US that will represent the US and it's people, first, or not?

[Anti Federalist]

He is by far the best Senator up there, at least since Barry Goldwater in his younger years. But Rand is even better. I am thankful that he is still there.

No $#@!, that!

And he's had three attempts on his life, since becoming a Senator.

[Invisible Man]

Ron Paul would not have received a warm welcome at the GOP conventions of old.

Nor would he at this one.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't care what anybody says, using Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 as entry music is pretty classy.

[Invisible Man]

Why was Tucker allowed to speak? He's directly at odds with the guy @Matt Collins started a thread on.

Which guy are you talking about?

[nobody's_hero]

Which guy are you talking about?

Sorry, it wasn't Matt, it was WarriorLiberty

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t-out-of-power

[Invisible Man]

Sorry, it wasn't Matt, it was WarriorLiberty

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t-out-of-power

One thing both he and Tucker had in common, which is why they could both be invited to speak at the convention and Ron Paul couldn't, is endorsing Trump.

[dannno]

Nor would he at this one.

You are 100% WRONG and out of touch with anything going on right now.

He wouldn't get quite the applause Rand Paul would get, after all Rand went after Fauci and people remember.

Republicans are tired of forever wars, Ron Paul brought that to the forefront of the party before anybody else did, and he is also Rand Paul's dad.

[Invisible Man]

You are 100% WRONG and out of touch with anything going on right now.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

[dannno]

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

I don't know one single $#@!ing Republican constituent who likes big spending. They still vote for Trump anyway. If you don't know why, then pay more attention.

[Invisible Man]

I don't know one single $#@!ing Republican constituent who likes big spending. They still vote for Trump anyway. If you don't know why, then pay more attention.

A lot of them support immigration restriction and protectionism. And many of them are a lot more supportive of big spending than they may openly admit when they're talking to someone like you who doesn't. There are various reasons. But they have no tolerance for never Trumper Republicans like Ron Paul.

[dannno]

A lot of them support immigration restriction and protectionism. And many of them are a lot more supportive of big spending than they may openly admit when they're talking to someone like you who doesn't. There are various reasons. But they have no tolerance for never Trumper Republicans like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul isn't a "Never Trumper", he reports on Trump very positively most often and also reports when he does something bad.

Both Ron Paul and Trump are "America First" candidates. That is why today's Republican Party looks a lot more positively on both candidates.

Ron Paul is just more hardcore, because he wants to give all our tax money back to the American people and do things like get out of NATO completely - whereas Trump actually reduced our spending in NATO significantly, forcing other countries to carry their own weight.

Trump stopped Obama's funding of ISIS and together with Russia we defeated them. Trump began removing our troops and had plans to end the endless wars. You can try and argue the opposite, but that is what Trump says, he took actions towards it and Republicans love him for it. Same reason they love Tucker, Tucker is very much against our wars now. That is the new Republican Party. Ron Paul wanted to get out immediately, from everywhere. Again, much more hardcore. But directionally, they are both the same.

[spudea]

Throw out the best Senator because he wasn't invited to the dog and pony show? That don't make no sense.



Exactly. And his opposition to the vax is probably the reason he wasn't invited to the Trump show.

And lest we forget, according to measures that matter like key votes, Rand is the best in the Senate.

My point is, there is more space in the GOP than ever before for a liberty candidate to make inroads and have significant influence on administration policy as well as executive level appointments. Vivek had a speaking slot, Tucker Carlson had a speaking slot. For there to be literally zero liberty candidates that this forum supported since the beginning, not to even be there at all, is a massive failure. We are leaderless and our movement is dead. It is unacceptable for Rand et. al. to shrug his shoulders and do nothing.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-speaking-rnc/

[spudea]

Rand tried that once. Remember? And it was pretty bad. He would have had to get a lot of training to get more charisma or something. I hate it, but he just didn’t come across well.

He is by far the best Senator up there, at least since Barry Goldwater in his younger years. But Rand is even better. I am thankful that he is still there.

I don't think he was that bad, it was also due to, in his own words, "the orange faced windbag" taking up all the focus/attention. Which means when Trump is finally gone, that gives Rand a great opening, if he had the conviction to go for it and be our leader.