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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    The Dems could have a chance at winning...
    Oh, come on.

    Trump is a walking, talking martyr. Vermin Supreme has a better chance of beating him than the best Democrat at this point, much less the DEI clown show nightmare they'll put forth if Biden does keel over.



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  3. #62
    This was Cringe.
    Is Trump about America first or Israel?


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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    https://x.com/greg16676935420/status...97814845526063
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It has been so much fun watching people trying to slow the decline the last fifty years by voting for the party that evil on this half of the issues or the party that's evil on that half of the issues. It has been so much fun watching both parties do "bipartisan compromises" and cave on the issues they ran on promises to protect. It has been so much fun watching people make excuses for their party completely failing to serve the interests of We, the People. It has been so much fun watching big government screw up on purpose so one party or the other can screech, "This is the most important election evarrr!!"

    This is where that road led to. This is the only place that road could possibly have led to. And here you are like Captain Smith on the bridge of the Titanic hollering, "Stay the course!"

    Well, that what this ship of fools is going to do. But I don't have to pretend like there's not a hundred foot gash in the hull and it's taking on water. And I don't have to pretend like hitting that iceberg again will undo the damage.

    Does anyone want to save this country? Or is bailing water so it doesn't sink quite as quickly all anyone cares about? Because it's not too soon to reject this uniparty they falsely label a "two party system".
    So, this is your pitch to vote for RFK? Yeah, there is no Democrat Party anywhere in the Kennedy family.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    So, this is your pitch to vote for RFK? Yeah, there is no Democrat Party anywhere in the Kennedy family.
    Ask not if the Kennedies once were the Democrat Party. Ask why this one was tossed out of the Democrat Party on his ear.

  9. #67
    Well I watched the speech, most of it. I got bored about an hour in and went to sleep. I do have to admit Trump seems a bit different. Less Trumpy I would say.I did see some of the old Trump showing through still.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Ask not if the Kennedies once were the Democrat Party. Ask why this one was tossed out of the Democrat Party on his ear.
    Endless wars and vaccines. However, his talk about disarmament reeks of his uncle, JFK. Not to mention his domestic policy.
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  11. #69
    Where was Rand, Massie, Lee, Cruz, or even Ron Paul? They could have used this convention to gain influence in the next administration and promote their brand of conservatism. All of them MIA. Rand has been such a disappointment past few years. He could have setup for a presidential run in 2028. If he tries to run for a 4th Senate term when he promised term limits and to only serve 2 terms, I'm donating against him. He's completely lost the fire to do anything meaningful. Get the loser out.
    Last edited by spudea; 07-19-2024 at 07:26 AM.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Where was Rand, Massie, Lee, Cruz, or even Ron Paul? They could have used this convention to gain influence in the next administration and promote their brand of conservatism. All of them MIA. Rand has been such a disappointment past few years. He could have setup for a presidential run in 2028. If he tries to run for a 4th Senate term when he promised term limits and to only serve 2 terms, I'm donating against him. He's completely lost the fire to do anything meaningful. Get the loser out.
    I'm guessing Kid Rock, Hulk Hogan, the UFC dude, a porno star and Trump's golf club manager wasn't exactly their scene. I don't blame them for not being involved.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'm guessing Kid Rock, Hulk Hogan, the UFC dude, a porno star and Trump's golf club manager wasn't exactly their scene. I don't blame them for not being involved.
    Funny since both Ron and Rand initially were the ones promoting big tent conservatism, i.e. freedom is popular message, to include all types of people and all races.

  14. #72
    I don't see any change in actual policy, the lack of creativity is rather depressing, it's really just the same old Republican mantra, big consolidated business, hyper military spending, drill and frack in places that shouldn't be. Growth is not going to stop inflation. He said it would. That's not how it works, not at our levels of wealth inequality and depleted frontiers. But he won't cut spending, and won't contradict the Fed, or think creatively. Opening up ANWR fits in with militarizing the Arctic and commercializing every last wild place, in a greedy consumption frenzy to keep the overbearing paradigms going for a few more years...because real change is not what the oligarchy wants. He intends even to sell this domestically-produced fossil fuel overseas, which would limit any real deflationary effect, but I suppose the profits of Wall Street's non-national robber barons are more important than helping average Americans.

    If you want to lower the prices, you don't export your domestic energy production. You don't push rates back down to artificially low levels, and you don't spend a trillion a year on military. This speech and also Vance's could have been written by the Club For Growth in the 1980's or 1990's, but the problem is those days are gone, and the world and our country are smaller places. I think we need a more perceptive assessment of what this country is supposed to be (and was) really all about. Just another banker and oil exec candidate's platform is nothing to cheer.

    Of course, the no-brainer issues like Anti-DEI, Strong Border, Anti-Drugs, Pro-Life, family sanity, guns, etc. are the simple ones that push voters into camps, with no real thinking required, and this is how the oligarchy abuses the masses, and since the public is not challenged to understand the nature of complex underlying issues, they just go for the easy pick that is more comfortable to them.

    I'd also like to say that the Iron Dome build would be bad on multiple levels. It would seek to disenthrone the M.A.D. principle which kept us alive in the Cold War, give a false sense of security, disencourage a commitment to nuclear arms treaties, and increase greatly the MIC footprint all across the countryside with installations and military logistics in places where it did not previously exist, and those places would become targets. His brief mentions of foreign affairs were oversimplified and did nothing to help Americans understand the points of view and security needs of the world's other powers and the suffering of the true victims of the recent years and decades.

    Regardless, this is what we have. He even mentioned how AI needs more energy. They are hiding all the real tech, we know this, because it's a secret. National security is always the excuse, and adversaries are fostered to maintain control. I guess the people are not really equipped to understand a lot of these topics, so as long as the PTB can corral us into social conservatives vs. social progressives, we're going to be dichotomized into making merely apparent choices.

    I've found that these topics are sometimes but not often enough appreciated, and even when they are, Americans just don't want to really think about them because it's not worth their time if there is no party or candidate they can support, and who can win, who talks to them like educated or wise adults, not like 7th graders. So, we're going to depend on the hope that the plutocracy and cryptocracy have good intentions and will find ways to evolve humanity into a new age someday, just out of their own consciences. Meanwhile, we're still knuckle-dragging and wondering why things aren't getting better. They aren't because our established elites don't accept the prospect of fairness, brotherhood, or cooperation, not with ourselves or with any other culture on this planet.
    Last edited by Snowball; 07-19-2024 at 08:43 AM.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Where was Rand, Massie, Lee, Cruz, or even Ron Paul? They could have used this convention to gain influence in the next administration and promote their brand of conservatism.
    How? What do you think, Ron Paul can just show up at a Republican convention uninvited as a persona non grata and pass out literature?
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    Is your solution, then, to not vote at all until we get a real Libertarian candidate? In the meantime, Clinton-types could well swoop in and do immeasurable damage while you wouldn’t even try to mitigate it by voting for the lesser evil?

    In this particular election, there is no truly liberty-minded candidate. But we can do what we can to stop supporting these foreign wars, for example.
    No, you're supposed to remain ideologically pure to the cause of anarchy libertarianism until a foreign invader slits your throat.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Funny since both Ron and Rand initially were the ones promoting big tent conservatism, i.e. freedom is popular message, to include all types of people and all races.
    There are some subtle but important differences between a "freedom is popular" message and a "big government is popular" message.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  19. #76


    "The other day, there was a cowardly Harkonnen attempt on my life. They sent a hunter-seeker drone but I miraculously survived, like no one has ever done before.

    And now many Fremen are saying 'Donald, you're the one. You're the Lisan al-Ghaib.'

    They see it, I see it, the whole galaxy sees it. They want me to lead them to victory, and you know what? I think I just might.

    Our enemies are all around us, folks, and in so many futures they prevail. But there is a narrow way through—very, very narrow—but we're going to walk it, and once we do, the spice is going to flow like never before.

    We're going to make Arrakis great again, believe me."
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    How? What do you think, Ron Paul can just show up at a Republican convention uninvited as a persona non grata and pass out literature?
    It doesn't have to be the big convention event. There are several venues in the area to hold meetings, discussions, speeches. I feel the 2007 movement I poured my heart and money into is dead and leaderless because all the people we supported are MIA. Trump will be gone either this year or 2028. Doesn't feel like we have any leaders willing to do anything to carry on and grow the movement.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    No, you're supposed to remain ideologically pure to the cause of anarchy libertarianism until a foreign invader slits your throat.
    Nonsense. Much better to have a kneejerk reaction to the invasion which we know was financed by both Trump and Biden, and be led around like a dog on a leash because their game is frightening us.

  22. #79
    Why is drilling our own oil en masse seen to be a great thing? It is almost if people think that this all will be kept in the U.S. But oil is sold on the global market. What am I missing?
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Nonsense. Much better to have a kneejerk reaction to the invasion which we know was financed by both Trump and Biden, and be led around like a dog on a leash because their game is frightening us.
    No one is leading us around. We have no liberty candidate to vote for and we likely won’t unless more good people educate themselves and run for office. Meantime, the boat is about to sink and I would like to keep it afloat long enough until we do have someone we want to vote for. If the boat completely sinks, we aren’t going to have that opportunity. And no, I don’t believe if that we completely crash that the good guys will spring up like a phoenix.

    In fact, I think they WANT us to crash. People will be panicked and they will accept a world currency and world government, immediately.

    You want someone good to vote for; so do I. How are we going to get more Thomas Massies? Why don’t you do as he did and run for local office?
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 07-19-2024 at 08:53 AM.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Why is drilling our own oil en masse seen to be a great thing? It is almost if people think that this all will be kept in the U.S. But oil is sold on the global market. What am I missing?
    It's not ours, it's theirs, that's how they see it, and that's how they act.

    Their consolidated, ill gotten finances give them the RIGHT to exploit us. This is their actual philosophy and ethical concept.

    Like when they pushed so hard for the Keystone pipleline, which was designed for exportation, just going over the Midwest like a flyover, and ignoring environmental or private property concerns. They wanted to move oil from Canada to China and Europe.

    Americans are told the usual lies, and don't understand any of it.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  26. #82
    I watched the last half hour or so of this.

    Trumps speech struck me as useful as giving a terminally ill person a Tony Robbins motivational tape.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    How? What do you think, Ron Paul can just show up at a Republican convention uninvited as a persona non grata and pass out literature?
    He probably could, today.

    12 years ago, no.

    Actually I think he would be much more well-received, given the prime example of reckless inflationary money-printing practices that we've witnessed since.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    He probably could, today.

    12 years ago, no.

    Actually I think he would be much more well-received, given the prime example of reckless inflationary money-printing practices that we've witnessed since.
    The whole point of this year's convention is to nominate the main person who was behind that reckless inflationary money printing as the party's candidate for President. When Massie offered the slightest bit of pushback to that, Trump said he should be kicked out of the party.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    The whole point of this year's convention is to nominate the main person who was behind that reckless inflationary money printing as the party's candidate for President. When Massie offered the slightest bit of pushback to that, Trump said he should be kicked out of the party.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL
    Are you trying to convince Trump, or are you trying to win over the people?

    Narratives are shifting in the GOP.

    If we don't know how (or even attempt) to exploit that, we deserve every mediocre candidate that comes down the pipes in the future.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 07-19-2024 at 09:38 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    He probably could, today.

    12 years ago, no.

    Actually I think he would be much more well-received, given the prime example of reckless inflationary money-printing practices that we've witnessed since.
    Yes, exactly. While the Trump movement is not ideologically sound by any measure, they are a lot closer to conservatism and libertarianism than any of the previous GOPs in recent history.
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Why is drilling our own oil en masse seen to be a great thing? It is almost if people think that this all will be kept in the U.S. But oil is sold on the global market. What am I missing?
    Because the government, specifically the libs, like to deny and prohibit drilling and exploiting our own resources when there is no reason to do so.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Rand has been such a disappointment past few years. He could have setup for a presidential run in 2028.
    Uh, have you not seen him be the lone voice fighting against Fauci and calling out all of it as BS?

    And no, let's be honest, Rand is not Presidential material simply because he doesn't connect well with the average voter. That's ok though because to be President you would have to do a lot of bad things to get there.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Are you trying to convince Trump, or are you trying to win over the people?
    I don't understand the question.

    My point is, Ron Paul would not have been welcome at the Republican Convention.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    I don't understand the question.

    My point is, Ron Paul would not have been welcome at the Republican Convention.
    My point is that never in my lifetime have I seen the GOP as a more open forum than it is now.

    And we're sitting on the sidelines b*tching, as we usually do.

    I guess we're just going to let the neocons wiggle their way back into power.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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