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  1. #211
    https://www.newsweek.com/maga-respon...-rally-1924862


    They've since changed the headline to "Outrage and Blame After Donald Trump Injured at Pennsylvania Rally".



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  4. #213
    Some acquaintances of mine have an outdoor/heavy equipment YouTube channel and Mike was at the rally.

    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  5. #214
    And the beast that I saw was qlike a leopard; its feet were like ra bear’s, and its mouth was like sa lion’s mouth. And to it tthe dragon gave his power and uhis throne and great authority. 3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and vthe whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, w“Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

    5 And the beast was given xa mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for yforty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling,1 that is, those who dwell in heaven. 7 Also it was allowed zto make war on the saints and to conquer them.2 And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all awho dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in bthe book of life of cthe Lamb dwho was slain. 9 eIf anyone has an ear, let him hear:
    Just thinkin out loud while everyone is chanting "USA, USA,......." and getting off on their MAGA.........

  6. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I’ll certainly cede to your superior memory. I was very young then. I’m old and decrepit now.
    You and me both brother.
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  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Some acquaintances of mine have an outdoor/heavy equipment YouTube channel and Mike was at the rally.

    Can you give me a time stamp for the relevant comments?

    Thanks.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.



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  9. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The highest probability on the shooter, IMHO, is another deranged leftist mental patient, either recently on or off meds (they will never admit that).

    Obviously encouraged and incentivized by the leftist politicians and media.
    This is most likely at this point, my conspiracy musings aside.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  10. #218
    The attempted assassination of Trump is not nearly as surprising as it should be
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...-it-should-be/
    {Jonathan Turley | 13 July 2024}

    The assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump left a nation stunned. But the most shocking aspect was that it was not nearly as surprising as it should have been. For months, politicians, the press and pundits have escalated reckless rhetoric in this campaign on both sides. That includes claims that Trump was set to kill democracy, unleash “death squads” and make homosexuals and reporters “disappear”.

    President Biden has stoked this rage rhetoric. In 2022, Biden held his controversial speech before Independence Hall where he denounced Trump supporters as enemies of the people. Biden recently referenced the speech and has embraced the claims that this could be our last democratic election.

    I discuss this rage rhetoric in my new book, “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.” We are living through an age of rage. It is not our first, but it may be the most dangerous such period in our history.

    Some of us have been objecting for years that this rage rhetoric is a dangerous political pitch for the nation. While most people reject the hyperbolic claims, others take it as true. They believe that homosexuals are going to be “disappeared” as claimed on ABC’s “The View” or that the Trump “death squads” are now green lighted by a conservative Supreme Court, as claimed by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

    Rage is addictive and contagious. It is also liberating. It allows people a sense of license to take actions that would ordinarily be viewed as repulsive.

    As soon as Trump was elected, unhinged rage became the norm as with Kathy Griffin featuring herself holding the bloody severed head of Trump.

    Just recently, another celebrity, actress Lea DeLaria, begged Biden to “blow [Trump] up” after the recent presidential immunity decision. DeLaria explained that “this is a **** war. This is a war now, and we are fighting for our **** country. And these a**holes are going to take it away. They’re going to take it away.”

    For months, people have heard politicians and press call Trump “Hitler” and the GOP a Nazi movement. Some compared stopping Trump to stopping Hitler in 1933. Rep. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) declared Trump “is not only unfit, he is destructive to our democracy and he has to be eliminated.” He later apologized.

    Others say that Trump “will destroy the world” unless he is stopped.

    I do not believe that the politicians or pundits engaging in what my book calls “rage rhetoric” want actual violence. But they have knowingly created conditions for extremist views and, yes, extremist actions.

    The media has been quick to denounce reckless rhetoric from the right while largely ignoring the same language on the left. That included threats against conservative Supreme Court justices before the assassination plot against Brett Kavanaugh.

    Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) went to the steps of the Supreme Court and called out Kavanaugh by name: “I want to tell you, (Justice Neil) Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

    Again, I do not believe that Schumer wanted Nicholas Roske to go to the home of Justice Kavanaugh to kill him. However, these politicians also know that some citizens will hear this rhetoric as a justification for violent conduct.

    Thus, when the president is claiming that the election may end democracy in the nation, it can be heard as much as a license as a warning, particularly when he adds “we’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”

    We still do not know about the shooter in this assassination attempt. However, we know all too well how unhinged people can find justification in the incendiary rhetoric of our politics. This moment did not occur in a vacuum; it occurred in a time when our leaders long abandoned reason for rage.

    We have come full circle to where we began as a Republic. In the 1800 election, Federalists and Jeffersonians engaged in similar rage rhetoric.

    Federalists told citizens that, if Jefferson were elected, “Murder, robbery, rape, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the cries of the distressed, the soil will be soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes.”

    Jeffersonians warned that, if Adams were reelected, “chains, dungeons, transportation, and perhaps the gibbet” awaited citizens and they “would instantaneously be put to death.”

    Both sides stoked the anger and fears of the public, and violence was seen across the nation.

    In our current age of rage, politicians have sought to use the same anger and fear to rally support at any cost.

    This is the cost.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-13-2024 at 09:33 PM.

  11. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Will Bump Stock Trump join the call for more anti-2A laws?

    Federally-funded National Stop and Frisk will be a normalcy of society just like the TSA is. Trump won will win by landslide.
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  12. #220
    I'll still stick to my .22 subsonic theory though.

    A .223 is traveling around 2700 fps at 150 yards, depending on cartridge maker.

    I don't think anything other than specialized "slow motion" cameras could record that projectile in flight.

    We'll see soon enough I guess, if we want to believe anything out of this regime.

    https://x.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  13. #221
    Those campaign fund-raising letters ain't gonna write themselves - so "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war dog-and-pony show of 'oversight'."

    https://x.com/GOPoversight/status/1812320043188846752
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-13-2024 at 09:50 PM.

  14. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/maga-respon...-rally-1924862


    They've since changed the headline to "Outrage and Blame After Donald Trump Injured at Pennsylvania Rally".
    'Tis but a scratch...

    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  15. #223
    https://x.com/i/status/1812334847119016007

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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  18. #225
    https://x.com/NHpilled/status/1812327541484450084

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  19. #226
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  20. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Clipped his ear, wonder if he was hit anywhere else?
    How much you want to bet that some left wing preachers will start quoting Revelation 13:3?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    How much you want to bet that some left wing preachers will start quoting Revelation 13:3?
    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. - KJV
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://x.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1812287461089017940

    LOL

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  23. #230
    Thomas Matthew Crooks ID’d as gunman who shot Trump during Pa. rally

    https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-new...ring-pa-rally/

  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://x.com/i/status/1812334847119016007

    Interesting montage. Scary that a liberal comedian said out loud what seems obvious to me about Scalia and the pillow. The year for Pelosi's "uprising" comment was 2018. (The photo said "captured Jan 12, 2021"). Snoop Dogg, Jan 2024, said he has "Nothing but love and respect for Donald Trump." Who's that on the building at 0:48? (Edit: Never mind. That's the shooter on a building. Seems kinda sloppy Secret Service.)
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  25. #232
    No matter how much you hate the MSM...

    The gunman who opened fire on the crowd at a Donald Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania...
    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/break...er-identified/



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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Thomas Matthew Crooks ID’d as gunman who shot Trump during Pa. rally

    https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-new...ring-pa-rally/
    So far nothing out of the ordinary is jumping out.

    Time will tell...
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  28. #234
    No matter how much you hate...

    https://x.com/i/status/1812284393152446514

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  29. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The attempted assassination of Trump is not nearly as surprising as it should be
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...-it-should-be/
    {Jonathan Turley | 13 July 2024}

    [. . . ]
    [. . . ]
    [. . . ]

    Both sides stoked the anger and fears of the public, and violence was seen across the nation.

    In our current age of rage, politicians have sought to use the same anger and fear to rally support at any cost.

    This is the cost.
    I think the article would be more effective without the "both sides" attempt at pseudo-balancing blame, and then not giving any examples of republicans (MAGA, specifically) spouting hateful rhetoric.

    I mean, it still seems pretty one-sided to me.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 07-13-2024 at 11:18 PM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  30. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. - KJV




    "May you live in interesting times"

    "May you live in interesting times" is an English expression that is claimed to be a translation of a traditional Chinese curse. The expression is ironic: "interesting" times are usually times of trouble.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  31. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Just thinkin out loud while everyone is chanting "USA, USA,......." and getting off on their MAGA.........
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Just thinkin out loud while everyone is chanting "USA, USA,......." and getting off on their MAGA.........
    That has been identified as papal Rome for hundreds of years by the reformers.... Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Knox, and others I'm sure
    Last edited by redmod79; 07-13-2024 at 11:53 PM.

  32. #238
    https://x.com/i/status/1812255881738014964

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

  33. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. - KJV
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Just thinkin out loud while everyone is chanting "USA, USA,......." and getting off on their MAGA.........
    That has been identified as papal Rome for hundreds of years by the reformers.... Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Knox, and others I'm sure... here's a quick summary I got out of ChatGPT regarding this

    Summary: Reformers' Identification of the Papacy as the Beast in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13, and Historical Context
    Reformers' View on the Papacy

    Key figures of the Protestant Reformation, including Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and John Knox, identified the papacy as the Antichrist, the little horn in Daniel 7, and the first beast in Revelation 13. Their critiques were based on detailed parallels between these biblical prophecies and the historical actions and claims of the Roman Catholic Church.
    Parallels between Daniel 7 and Revelation 13
    Blasphemy

    Daniel 7:8, 20, 25: The little horn speaks great words against the Most High.
    Revelation 13:5-6: The beast speaks great things and blasphemies against God.
    Reformers' View: Reformers saw the Pope's claims of divine authority and infallibility as blasphemous, fitting these descriptions.

    War Against the Saints

    Daniel 7:21, 25: The little horn makes war with the saints and prevails against them.
    Revelation 13:7: The beast makes war with the saints and overcomes them.
    Reformers' View: Reformers identified the persecution of Christians who opposed the papacy as fulfillment of these prophecies.

    Speaking Great Things

    Daniel 7:8, 20: The little horn has a mouth speaking great things.
    Revelation 13:5: The beast is given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies.
    Reformers' View: Reformers pointed to the Pope’s declarations and doctrines as arrogant and blasphemous.

    Time Period of Power

    Daniel 7:25: The little horn has power for "a time, times, and half a time" (interpreted as 1260 years).
    Revelation 13:5: The beast has power for forty-two months (interpreted as 1260 years).
    Reformers' View: Reformers calculated the period of papal dominance from 538 AD to 1798 AD, aligning with these prophetic timeframes.

    Change in Religious Aspect

    Daniel 7:24-25: The little horn attempts to change times and laws.
    Revelation 13:2: The dragon gives the beast his power, seat, and authority.
    Reformers' View: Reformers saw the papacy's introduction of unbiblical doctrines and practices as efforts to change divine laws.

    Captivity and Overthrow

    Daniel 7:26: The dominion of the little horn is taken away and destroyed.
    Revelation 13:10: The beast is led into captivity and killed with the sword.
    Reformers' View: The capture of Pope Pius VI in 1798 by Napoleon’s forces was seen as the fulfillment of this prophecy.

    Historical Context of the 1260 Years

    Beginning of the 1260 Years:
    538 AD: The papacy gained uncontested religious and political power after the defeat of the Ostrogoths.
    End of the 1260 Years:
    1798 AD: Napoleon’s General Berthier captured Pope Pius VI, marking the end of the papacy's temporal power.

    Restoration of Papal Power

    Early Restoration:
    Concordat of 1801: Restored some of the Church's civil status in France.
    Return from Exile: Pope Pius VII returned to Rome in 1814.
    Doctrinal Strengthening:
    First Vatican Council (1869-1870): Defined the doctrine of papal infallibility, bolstering the Pope's spiritual authority.
    Loss and Re-establishment of Temporal Power:
    Capture of Rome (1870): The Papal States were lost to the Kingdom of Italy.
    Lateran Treaty (1929): Established Vatican City as an independent sovereign state, restoring the Pope's temporal sovereignty.
    Modern Influence:
    Second Vatican Council (1962-1965): Modernized the Church and enhanced its global influence.

    Reformers' Interpretations

    Martin Luther: Identified the papacy as the Antichrist and the beast, citing its blasphemous claims and persecution of dissenters.
    John Calvin: Critiqued the papal system for leading the Church into idolatry and superstition, aligning with the beast's blasphemies.
    John Wycliffe: Early critic who saw the papal system as corrupt and oppressive, fitting the prophetic descriptions.
    William Tyndale: Condemned the Pope’s usurpation of Christ's authority and the Church's persecution of reformers.
    John Knox: Opposed the papacy's spiritual and temporal power, viewing it as fulfilling the prophecies of the Antichrist and the beast.

    In summary, the major Protestant reformers identified the papacy as the little horn in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13, critiquing its blasphemous claims, persecution of true Christians, and deviations from biblical teachings. This interpretation was central to their theological critique and their efforts to reform the Church, emphasizing the historical period of papal dominance from 538 AD to 1798 AD and its subsequent restoration of power.

    And some references to their writings...
    Martin Luther

    Primary Sources:
    Luther, Martin. "The Babylonian Captivity of the Church" (1520).
    Luther, Martin. "Preface to the Revelation of St. John" (1522).
    Luther, Martin. "Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope" (1537).

    Secondary Sources:
    Bainton, Roland H. Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther. Abingdon-Cokesbury Press, 1950.
    Kolb, Robert, ed. Martin Luther: Confessor of the Faith. Oxford University Press, 2009.

    John Calvin

    Primary Sources:
    Calvin, John. Institutes of the Christian Religion (1536, final edition 1559).
    Calvin, John. "Commentary on Daniel" (1561).

    Secondary Sources:
    McNeill, John T., ed. Institutes of the Christian Religion. Westminster John Knox Press, 1960.
    Parker, T. H. L. John Calvin: A Biography. Lion Hudson, 2007.

    John Wycliffe

    Primary Sources:
    Wycliffe, John. On the Truth of Holy Scripture (c. 1378).
    Wycliffe, John. On the Church (c. 1378).

    Secondary Sources:
    Leff, Gordon. Heresy in the Later Middle Ages: The Relation of Heterodoxy to Dissent. Manchester University Press, 1967.
    Hudson, Anne. The Premature Reformation: Wycliffite Texts and Lollard History. Oxford University Press, 1988.

    William Tyndale

    Primary Sources:
    Tyndale, William. The Obedience of a Christian Man (1528).
    Tyndale, William. The New Testament (1526 translation).

    Secondary Sources:
    Daniell, David. William Tyndale: A Biography. Yale University Press, 1994.
    Mozley, J. F. William Tyndale. Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1937.

    John Knox

    Primary Sources:
    Knox, John. The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women (1558).
    Knox, John. History of the Reformation of Religion within the Realm of Scotland (1587).

    Secondary Sources:
    Ridley, Jasper. John Knox. Oxford University Press, 1968.
    Dawson, Jane E. A. John Knox. Yale University Press, 2015.

    These sources provide direct insights into the reformers' views and interpretations regarding the papacy, with specific references to their identification of the papal system as the fulfillment of the prophecies in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13.

    Just a little more on this...

    Direct Quotes from Reformers Identifying the Papacy as the Little Horn and Antichrist
    Martin Luther

    Quote:
    "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist... Personally, I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist."
    Reference:
    Luther, Martin. The Babylonian Captivity of the Church (1520).

    John Calvin

    Quote:
    "Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul’s words in 2 Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy."
    Reference:
    Calvin, John. Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book IV, Chapter 7, Section 25.

    John Wycliffe

    Quote:
    "Why is it necessary in unbelief to look for another Antichrist? In the Pope we clearly see a wicked Lucifer, condemning Christ, doing against Christ and preying on Christ's people. Therefore, I say, that though the bishop of Rome and all his cardinals and all his followers should wound the body of the Church, they will never succeed in taking away a single soul."
    Reference:
    Wycliffe, John. Trialogus.

    William Tyndale

    Quote:
    "The pope's pardons are not of power to forgive the least sin... but they give pardon of all sins past, present, and to come, to them that fight in the pope's quarrel. And who can be more antichrist?"
    Reference:
    Tyndale, William. The Practice of Prelates (1530).

    John Knox

    Quote:
    "Yea, to speak it in plain words: lest that we submit ourselves to Satan, thinking that we submit ourselves to Jesus Christ, for, as for your Roman Church, as it is now corrupted, and the authority thereof, wherein stands the hope of your victory, I no more doubt but that it is the synagogue of Satan, and the head thereof, called the Pope, to be that man of sin, of whom the apostle speaks."
    Reference:
    Knox, John. The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women (1558).

    Additional Reference: John Wesley

    Quote:
    "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is... that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped... claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone."
    Reference:
    Wesley, John. Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament, Note on 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

    Interpretation and Connection to the Antichrist
    The Little Horn and the Antichrist

    Blasphemy and Usurpation of Divine Authority:
    Reformers saw the papacy's claims to divine authority, such as infallibility and the power to forgive sins, as blasphemous. This is linked to the description of the little horn in Daniel 7:25, which "shall speak great words against the most High."
    They equated these claims with those of the Antichrist, who is described in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 as one who "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped."

    Persecution of the Saints:
    The little horn in Daniel 7:21 is said to make war with the saints and prevail against them. Reformers identified this with the historical persecution of dissenters and reformers by the Roman Catholic Church.
    This persecution is seen as a characteristic of the Antichrist, who wages war against the true followers of Christ.

    Change of Times and Laws:
    Daniel 7:25 says the little horn will "think to change times and laws." Reformers saw this as the papacy's establishment of unbiblical doctrines and practices, such as the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
    The Antichrist, in their view, would be one who alters God's laws and introduces false teachings.

    Duration of Dominion:
    The little horn is given power for "a time, times, and half a time" (Daniel 7:25), interpreted as 1260 years. Reformers saw this as corresponding to the period of papal dominance from AD 538 to 1798.
    The Antichrist's rule, according to Revelation 13:5, lasts for forty-two months, which reformers also interpreted as 1260 prophetic days/years.

    Conclusion

    Reformers like Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and John Knox identified the papacy as both the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Antichrist described in the New Testament. They pointed to the papacy's blasphemous claims, persecution of dissenters, doctrinal changes, and long period of dominance as evidence of its fulfillment of these prophecies. These interpretations were foundational to their critique of the Roman Catholic Church and their call for reform.


    I got all of this from ChatGPT to try to remove as much bias as I could.
    Last edited by redmod79; 07-14-2024 at 12:13 AM.

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