Rockwell: The Market Absurdity of Open Borders

[ClaytonB]

That is what began the decline of liberty in the country.

The simple solution is to stop illegal immigration, freeze and later open legal immigration at Coolidge levels or below from only compatible cultures, and throw out all the illegals and legal unamericans already here.

OK, but by refusing to discuss ending the welfare-state as part of this issue (even if that cannot be accomplished until sometime later due to the political complexities), you are the one who is capitulating to the leftist Agenda as the neoCONS did way back in the 1990s. They made a handshake deal with the Left: "We'll stop criticizing the welfare-State if you stop criticizing the warfare-State. By the way, we will have to bitch-and-moan about the border to placate our base. If you want to bitch-and-moan about Wall Street or something, have at it, just don't actually do anything about it. Deal?" If you're not challenging that narrative, all the policing of how anarcho-capitalist political theory can be distorted and willfully misunderstood by RINOs will do you no good, because you don't understand the first elements of what is actually at stake.

[Swordsmyth]

OK, but by refusing to discuss ending the welfare-state as part of this issue (even if that cannot be accomplished until sometime later due to the political complexities), you are the one who is capitulating to the leftist Agenda as the neoCONS did way back in the 1990s. They made a handshake deal with the Left: "We'll stop criticizing the welfare-State if you stop criticizing the warfare-State. By the way, we will have to bitch-and-moan about the border to placate our base. If you want to bitch-and-moan about Wall Street or something, have at it, just don't actually do anything about it. Deal?" If you're not challenging that narrative, all the policing of how anarcho-capitalist political theory can be distorted and willfully misunderstood by RINOs will do you no good, because you don't understand the first elements of what is actually at stake.

Why do you listen to the trolls here?

I have NEVER refused to discuss the ending the welfare state.
Ending the welfare state is one of my top priorities.

But we had no welfare state when the first floods of unamerican immigrants came, and they helped impose one on us.
And we will never get rid of the welfare state until we stop the influx of ever more unamerican immigrants, and start throwing out all the unamericans already here.

[acptulsa]

But we had no welfare state when the first floods of unamerican immigrants came, and they helped impose one on us.

Yeah, that's true, but it took white women from 1609 to 1965 to pull it off.

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, that's true, but it took white women from 1609 to 1965 to pull it off.

We should repeal the 19thA too.
So what?

[ClaytonB]

Why do you listen to the trolls here?

I have NEVER refused to discuss the ending the welfare state.
Ending the welfare state is one of my top priorities.

But we had no welfare state when the first floods of unamerican immigrants came, and they helped impose one on us.
And we will never get rid of the welfare state until we stop the influx of ever more unamerican immigrants, and start throwing out all the unamericans already here.

But you're evading American responsibility for the current mess and shifting the blame. WE screwed this all up. The "conservatives" of prior generations were the first to go soft. And it was their capitulation that led to the current mess. No, we were not overwhelmed by immigrants and then corrupted... we first became corrupt, and then immigration policy was changed to accommodate waves of immigrants seeking free handouts instead of coming here to work and achieve the American dream (once upon a time) for themselves. And because you allow the prior-generation conservatives to get off scot-free for their betrayal of this country and its core values, you participate in shifting the blame onto foreigners who are just following human self-interest. They may be despicable like common crooks are despicable, but they're not crazy. What they're doing is perfectly rational... coming here to get free stuff, and to be paid to breed American women that American men won't breed because the legal regime has been changed to make family-headship practically an act of insanity. If you have the morals of a dog, modern America is paradise on earth... just go from house to house and breed American women and get paid to do it! Otherwise, if you have traditional values (one man, one wife, nuclear family) modern America is an absolute hellscape. The issue is so badly represented by apologists who want to salvage the reputations of the very "conservatives" who betrayed us that the incels have completely given up and just accepted that it won't be possible for them to form a nuclear family. And the self-justifying conservatives who betrayed this country are still trying to argue that "the issue is the border". Yes, the emergency issue is the border, like the emergency issue of a man who is being attacked by a wild animal is that he is spurting blood. But treating the bites while ignoring the wild animal continuing to tear him to shreds is an amazing act of ostrich-head-burying. The interests of those who want the man to be killed by the wild animal are perfectly served by those who want to just "focus on the immediate issue" of the wounds spurting blood and "we'll get to the other stuff later, those are minor issues by comparison." No, they arethe issue, because they arethe cause of why the man is dying. And he is continuing to be attacked!

Let's be clear: certain of the conservative elites in this country are corrupt and evil to the core. They have gone into the same tyrannical habit that has defined all prior governments on earth before America. They want to maintain the legacy of their heirs at any cost, and so they resort to demographic warfare against their own countrymen whom they deem to be "inferior stock". For this reason, the laws become changed by those conservative power-interests to be hostile to the formation of nuclear families by the ordinary American man. Such men and their families are just "possible future competitors" to their own heirs. They themselves have no worry of their nuclear family coming apart because they have the threat of disinheritance which, when you are sitting on a multi-billion dollar estate, is a better threat than the death-sentence. So, these turncoat traitors will go out in public and pretend to support conservative causes and then, behind closed doors, they support the Divorce-Industrial Complex which is how they wage demographic warfare against their fellow American men whose only crime is not having been born rich. And the hordes of foreign immigrants pouring over the border are much more threat to the ordinary American man (forming a family, holding a job) so, again, the wealthy "conservatives" are natural allies to this. But since they can't openly espouse these policies, they instead support neoCONs and RINOs to do it for them. "Oh yeah, we're conservative, we even voted for Bush! We're multi-generational Republicans!" Every one of these people are more dangerous than 10,000 Nancy Pelosis and allowing them to spin you around and shake your fist at Pelosi and the illegals pouring over the border, while ignoring the actual issues is just politically and historically naive. The very naivete that the neoCONs have been harvesting by the bushel since 9/11 and converting into Marxist Clown World. That is how we got here.

[acptulsa]

But you're evading American responsibility for the current mess and shifting the blame. WE screwed this all up. The "conservatives" of prior generations were the first to go soft. And it was their capitulation that led to the current mess. No, we were not overwhelmed by immigrants and then corrupted, we first became corrupt...

Amen. And hypocrisy lies at the root if it all.

I still remember how it grated on my nerves to hear people say, yeah, I know Bush (Dubya's daddy) won't do anything about abortion, but I'm voting for him anyway just to send a message . Yeah? The message you're sending is, you're a chump.

And no, for God's sake Swordy, I am absolutely not saying Democrats aren't hypocritical. Y'all can be equally hypocritical. And do.

[Swordsmyth]

But you're evading American responsibility for the current mess and shifting the blame. WE screwed this all up. The "conservatives" of prior generations were the first to go soft. And it was their capitulation that led to the current mess. No, we were not overwhelmed by immigrants and then corrupted... we first became corrupt, and then immigration policy was changed to accommodate waves of immigrants seeking free handouts instead of coming here to work and achieve the American dream (once upon a time) for themselves. And because you allow the prior-generation conservatives to get off scot-free for their betrayal of this country and its core values, you participate in shifting the blame onto foreigners who are just following human self-interest. They may be despicable like common crooks are despicable, but they're not crazy. What they're doing is perfectly rational... coming here to get free stuff, and to be paid to breed American women that American men won't breed because the legal regime has been changed to make family-headship practically an act of insanity. If you have the morals of a dog, modern America is paradise on earth... just go from house to house and breed American women and get paid to do it! Otherwise, if you have traditional values (one man, one wife, nuclear family) modern America is an absolute hellscape. The issue is so badly represented by apologists who want to salvage the reputations of the very "conservatives" who betrayed us that the incels have completely given up and just accepted that it won't be possible for them to form a nuclear family. And the self-justifying conservatives who betrayed this country are still trying to argue that "the issue is the border". Yes, the emergency issue is the border, like the emergency issue of a man who is being attacked by a wild animal is that he is spurting blood. But treating the bites while ignoring the wild animal continuing to tear him to shreds is an amazing act of ostrich-head-burying. The interests of those who want the man to be killed by the wild animal are perfectly served by those who want to just "focus on the immediate issue" of the wounds spurting blood and "we'll get to the other stuff later, those are minor issues by comparison." No, they arethe issue, because they arethe cause of why the man is dying. And he is continuing to be attacked!

Let's be clear: certain of the conservative elites in this country are corrupt and evil to the core. They have gone into the same tyrannical habit that has defined all prior governments on earth before America. They want to maintain the legacy of their heirs at any cost, and so they resort to demographic warfare against their own countrymen whom they deem to be "inferior stock". For this reason, the laws become changed by those conservative power-interests to be hostile to the formation of nuclear families by the ordinary American man. Such men and their families are just "possible future competitors" to their own heirs. They themselves have no worry of their nuclear family coming apart because they have the threat of disinheritance which, when you are sitting on a multi-billion dollar estate, is a better threat than the death-sentence. So, these turncoat traitors will go out in public and pretend to support conservative causes and then, behind closed doors, they support the Divorce-Industrial Complex which is how they wage demographic warfare against their fellow American men whose only crime is not having been born rich. And the hordes of foreign immigrants pouring over the border are much more threat to the ordinary American man (forming a family, holding a job) so, again, the wealthy "conservatives" are natural allies to this. But since they can't openly espouse these policies, they instead support neoCONs and RINOs to do it for them. "Oh yeah, we're conservative, we even voted for Bush! We're multi-generational Republicans!" Every one of these people are more dangerous than 10,000 Nancy Pelosis and allowing them to spin you around and shake your fist at Pelosi and the illegals pouring over the border, while ignoring the actual issues is just politically and historically naive. The very naivete that the neoCONs have been harvesting by the bushel since 9/11 and converting into Marxist Clown World. That is how we got here.

The invasion of unamerican immigrants bringing us their unamerican political culture started in the first half of the 19th century and continued relentlessly with only a brief respite between Coolidge and 1968.
The previous generations of conservatives you blame are the fruits of that sowing of tares.

[LibertyEagle]

It was Teddy Kennedy’s legislation that completely changed legal immigration to our country.

[LibertyEagle]

Amen. And hypocrisy lies at the root if it all.

I still remember how it grated on my nerves to hear people say, yeah, I know Bush (Dubya's daddy) won't do anything about abortion, but I'm voting for him anyway just to send a message . Yeah? The message you're sending is, you're a chump.

And no, for God's sake Swordy, I am absolutely not saying Democrats aren't hypocritical. Y'all can be equally hypocritical. And do.

And apparently Libertarians too, eh Tulsa?

[LibertyEagle]

But you're evading American responsibility for the current mess and shifting the blame. WE screwed this all up. The "conservatives" of prior generations were the first to go soft. And it was their capitulation that led to the current mess.

Speak for yourself. Actually, without some of those people, the country would have fallen long ago! And none I knew capitulated jack, with, in my opinion, the exception of higher education.

But, let’s talk about just Ron Paul supporters, since we are apparently as pure as the driven snow. When RP was running the first time as a Republican for President, it was all but impossible to get people to get off their asses to help call, to send the many emails required to set something up on Meetup or go door to door handing out literature. I remember when the tea parties really were hot. More time was spent on here bitching about “they stole our idea”. …, wahhhhh, than planning and then acting on that plan to attend as many of those that we can to speak at them and bring more people to RP. But oh no, they weren’t pure enough or some such BS. When the reality is, those people were right on the edge of being for RP, they just needed to see and hear more. We squandered so many opportunities. But, we did a damn good job of hanging around Ron Paul’s neck that “911 was an inside job”. Even though RP himself said he did NOT believe that.

So, instead of blaming other generations, perhaps we do more than preaching to the choir on here, because it does absolutely nothing to save our country.

[ClaytonB]

Speak for yourself. Actually, without some of those people, the country would have fallen long ago! And none I knew capitulated jack, with, in my opinion, the exception of higher education.

Well, your analysis is shallow. The treachery is deep and the real root of it is in the church. Things will become apocalyptic before this is all settled...

But, let’s talk about just Ron Paul supporters, since we are apparently as pure as the driven snow. When RP was running the first time as a Republican for President, it was all but impossible to get people to get off their asses to help call, to send the many emails required to set something up on Meetup or go door to door handing out literature. I remember when the tea parties really were hot. More time was spent on here bitching about “they stole our idea”. …, wahhhhh, than planning and then acting on that plan to attend as many of those that we can to speak at them and bring more people to RP. But oh no, they weren’t pure enough or some such BS. When the reality is, those people were right on the edge of being for RP, they just needed to see and hear more. We squandered so many opportunities. But, we did a damn good job of hanging around Ron Paul’s neck that “911 was an inside job”. Even though RP himself said he did NOT believe that.

I don't care, and totally beside the point. Just some pet peeve you have.

So, instead of blaming other generations, perhaps we do more than preaching to the choir on here, because it does absolutely nothing to save our country.

No, I absolutely will blame the prior generations, and almost everyone in this generation (including myself). WE dropped the ball. Real change always begins by admitting that I have a problem. The kind of thinking you've exhibited in this post is precisely what got us here, collectively. "Not our fault." No, really, our fault. We did this. Until that is owned up to fully and without qualification, we are in rebellious unrepentance and the judgment of God will continue, irreversibly.