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    SCOTUS: White House Can Influence Social Media Firms

    THREAD: Missouri & Louisiana sue feds for colluding with Big Tech censors

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...1ad80541&ei=32

    The Supreme Court on Wednesday rejected a Republican-led effort to sharply restrict White House officials and other federal employees from pressuring social media companies to remove posts from their platforms that the U.S. government deems problematic, saying the challengers did not have legal standing to bring the case.

    State leaders in Missouri and Louisiana, in addition to individual social media users, filed a lawsuit accusing the Biden administration of violating the First Amendment by operating a sprawling federal “censorship enterprise” to improperly influence platforms to modify or take down posts related to public health and elections.

    In a 6-3 ruling, the court said the states and individuals could not show they were directly harmed by the communication between federal officials and social media platforms.

    Writing for the majority, Justice Amy Coney Barrett said companies such as Facebook and YouTube have long-standing content-moderation policies that place warning labels on certain posts and delete others. The challengers, Barrett wrote, did not demonstrate that the companies’ actions to remove posts were traceable to the government.

    Barrett said a lower court got it wrong when it “glossed over complexities in the evidence” by attributing to the Biden administration every company decision to remove or moderate content.

    “While the record reflects that the Government defendants played a role in at least some of the platforms’ moderation choices, the evidence indicates that the platforms had independent incentives to moderate content and often exercised their own judgment,” she wrote.

    Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr, joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil M. Gorsuch, dissented.

    Alito criticized his colleagues in the majority for failing to address the underlying free speech questions at issue in the case, calling efforts by the government to police content it sees as problematic a form of “coercion.”

    The court “shirks that duty and thus permits the successful campaign of coercion in this case to stand as an attractive model for future officials who want to control what the people say, hear and think,” Alito wrote. “That is regrettable.”


    The case, known as Murthy v. Missouri, gave the Supreme Court an opportunity to shape how government officials interact with social media companies and communicate with the public online. The dispute is one of several before the justices this term that tests Republican-backed claims that social media companies are working with Democratic allies to silence conservative voices.

    The decision could have major implications for the U.S. government’s efforts to combat foreign disinformation during a critical election year when nearly half of the world’s population will go to the polls.

    The First Amendment prevents the government from censoring speech and punishing people for expressing different views. But the Biden administration told the court that officials are entitled to share information, participate in public debate and urge action, as long as their requests to remove content are not accompanied by threats.

    The attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana argued that the federal government coerced social media companies to suppress speech of individual users and became too deeply involved in the companies’ decisions to remove certain content. Tech companies, they said, cannot act on behalf of the government to remove speech the government doesn’t like.

    The record before the Supreme Court in Murthy v. Missouri included email messages between Biden administration officials and social media companies, including Facebook’s parent company, Meta, and Twitter. Those messages showed tense conversations in 2021 as the White House and public health officials campaigned for Americans to get the coronavirus vaccine.

    In making their ruling, the justices were reviewing lower-court decisions that strictly limited federal employees from communicating with tech giants to remove harmful posts or misinformation. A district court judge in Louisiana ruled against the Biden administration and barred thousands of federal employees from improperly influencing tech companies to remove certain content.

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit narrowed that decision to a smaller set of government officials and agencies, including the surgeon general’s office, the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI. A three-judge panel of the appeals court found that the White House “significantly encouraged the platforms’ decisions by commandeering their decision-making processes, both in violation of the First Amendment.”
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-26-2024 at 09:37 PM. Reason: added related "THREAD" link
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    The Supreme Fraud can influence deez nutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    The Supreme Fraud can influence deez nutz.
    Including 2 Trump picks... Thanks, guy!
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Including 2 Trump picks... Thanks, guy!
    And one of Dubya's. Thanks, GOP!

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    The Supreme Court on Wednesday rejected a Republican-led effort to sharply restrict White House officials and other federal employees from pressuring social media companies to remove posts from their platforms that the U.S. government deems problematic, saying the challengers did not have legal standing to bring the case.
    Writing for the majority, Justice Amy Coney Barrett said companies such as Facebook and YouTube have long-standing content-moderation policies that place warning labels on certain posts and delete others. The challengers, Barrett wrote, did not demonstrate that the companies’ actions to remove posts were traceable to the government.
    Well, which is it? No standing or no evidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Including 2 Trump picks... Thanks, guy!
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And one of Dubya's. Thanks, GOP!
    Or thank the Vatican...

    Now why would the Vatican support government or authoritarian censorship?
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 06-26-2024 at 10:08 AM.
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    https://x.com/RandPaul/status/1806000930887733261
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Or thank the Vatican...

    Now why would the Vatican support government or authoritarian censorship?
    Exactly.

    It was the GOP measure that got struck down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://x.com/RandPaul/status/1806000930887733261
    God bless that man.
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    More like the White House can coerce social media companies to take down certain posts.
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    This was a ruling to rescind the injunction, it's bad, but it's not fatal.

    The case will go back to the lower courts and there will be more discovery and arguments before it reaches SCOTUS again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Including 2 Trump picks... Thanks, guy!
    You mean thank McConnell, since Trump had to pick Justices the Senate would confirm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You mean thank McConnell, since Trump had to pick Justices the Senate would confirm.
    He thanked Donald The Art of the Deal Trump, knew what he meant, and didn't stutter. Cry more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    He thanked Donald The Art of the Deal Trump, knew what he meant, and didn't stutter. Cry more.

    When they do something “good,” Trump gets the credit.

    When they do something bad, somebody else gets the blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    When they do something “good,” Trump gets the credit.

    When they do something bad, somebody else gets the blame.
    The rank of Cult Leader has its privileges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You mean thank McConnell, since Trump had to pick Justices the Senate would confirm.
    I seem to recall you cheering both of those picks. I also recall Trump telling us how great they were and that he has the best picks ever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You mean thank McConnell, since Trump had to pick Justices the Senate would confirm.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I seem to recall you cheering both of those picks.
    Not so much. Instead, he has been making excuses for them for years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Kavanaugh is a distinct improvement over Kennedy who wouldn't have retired if Trump didn't give him a say in picking his replacement.
    Strangely, he can't seem to keep his excuses straight. It's almost like he forgot that Trump picked a jackass to get a worse jackass to retire, so he just snatched McConnell's name out of a hat this morning and built an excuse around him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I seem to recall you cheering both of those picks. I also recall Trump telling us how great they were and that he has the best picks ever!
    I looked at what information I had and judged them to be improvements over the Justices they replaced.
    I still think they are, even though are not as good as I had hoped based on the information I had at the time.
    I never said they were perfect picks, I believe I even preferred some other suggested picks to two of his picks.
    But We got Kavanaugh only because Kennedy agreed to retire if Trump let him have a say in his replacement, and Kavanaugh has been better than Kennedy.
    ACB I had the least information about and I said she was an improvement over RBG which she is.
    Gorsuch has made some big errors that I don't like and was surprised by, but overall he's the 3rd best one on the court.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Not so much. Instead, he has been making excuses for them for years.



    Strangely, he can't seem to keep his excuses straight. It's almost like he forgot that Trump picked a jackass to get a worse jackass to retire, so he just snatched McConnell's name out of a hat this morning and built an excuse around him...
    The pick had to get Kennedy to agree to retire AND pass the McConnell controlled Senate.
    Both are true with Kavanaugh.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    CLIP from SYSTEM UPDATE #290:

    SCOTUS Protects Biden Administration's Social Media Censorship Program from Review
    https://rumble.com/v54bmcw-scotus-pr...ram-from-.html
    {Glenn Greenwald | 28 June 2024}


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    The Supreme Court vs. Free Speech I TWS #2511
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    {TomWoodsTV | 29 June 2024}

    In Murthy v. Missouri the Court refused to consider the merits of a free-speech case because the plaintiffs allegedly lacked "standing," but as the dissent argues, all the elements for standing were present, and the Court most certainly should have ruled on the merits. Tracy Beanz, who's followed the case closely, joins us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [Regarding "Big Tech" companies'] censorship & "misinformation" shenanigans. I'd prefer to see a First Amendment approach - the government is infringing speech by proxy and cat's-paw - rather than an anti-trust approach. But ultimately, I don't think it really matters. Either way, the government is simply not going to act to significantly inhibit or prevent Google, et al. from cooperating with the government and doing what the government wants them to do. That is, after all, why they are colluding and collaborating with each other in the first place.
    //

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    SCOTUS: White House Can Influence Social Media Firms
    Move along, comrade! Nothing to see here, move along ...

    FBI Tricked Facebook Into Suppressing Hunter Biden Laptop Story
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp7M3ScsHm8
    {Nate The Lawyer | 30 August 2024}

    Facebook is under fire after admitting they were pressured by the government to censor American citizens who were simply making jokes. This revelation has sparked outrage, with many questioning the extent of government influence on social media platforms. In this video, we dive deep into the details of Facebook's admission, explore the implications for free speech, and discuss how this could impact the future of online expression. Join us as we break down what this means for you and your freedom on social media. Don't miss out on this eye-opening discussion!



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