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    Post Trump Plan to End War In Ukraine? More Sanctions, New Plan as the Old One

    Robert O'Brien, Trump's former National Security Advisor had finally reveal some details on how Trump would be handling end the Ukraine war.

    Well Trump's plan wont really end the war.
    It does seem that Trump has now NeoCons in his Campaign and likely in his admin.


    I wont be surprised if Trump's VP would be Nikki Haley.

    So much for "Draining the Swamp"

    Trump is pulling up for the NeoCons.
    https://x.com/mtracey/status/1804989002576965633



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    I'm not sure if this guy speaks for Trump, but even if so.. What's the difference between Biden's plan and Trump's plan? An ocean.

    Biden wasn't offering Russia the Donbas, Crimea and no NATO for Ukraine. They were offering them nothing.

    Russia doesn't need the negative reinforcement if they get everything they were asking, from the beginning..
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    double down on insanity

    we are f^d

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    double down on insanity

    we are f^d
    The US Elitists are still hoping that this "Modern Russia" Accepts the USSR collapse and surrender agreement of 1991 which Russia took away nuclear abilities from Ukraine in return for Crimea to be Ukrainian.

    They want Russia again to agree on the International based order 's terms.
    Yet they ignore the growing death toll for the Ukrainian Military.

    The US and WEF Elitists are like little children that haven't learned anything from the past wars.
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 06-23-2024 at 09:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    Robert O'Brien, Trump's former National Security Advisor had finally reveal some details on how Trump would be handling end the Ukraine war.

    Well Trump's plan wont really end the war.
    It does seem that Trump has now NeoCons in his Campaign and likely in his admin.


    I wont be surprised if Trump's VP would be Nikki Haley.

    So much for "Draining the Swamp"

    Trump is pulling up for the NeoCons.
    https://x.com/mtracey/status/1804989002576965633
    Former Advisor.
    This is nonsense.

    Trump has made it clear he is going to stop all aid to Ukraine, that's how he's going to end the war.
    He may bluster to Putin about this kind of thing (or not) just to take a strong hand in negotiations, but the real thing that will actually happen is cutting of Zelensky to force him to the peace table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump has made it clear...
    ... that he would put Hillary Clinton in jail.

    She isn't. Most of the J6 defendants still are.

    Actions speak louder than words.
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    But Trump would end the war on his first day in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    double down on insanity

    we are f^d
    Yup, pretty much



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Former Advisor.
    This is nonsense.

    Trump has made it clear he is going to stop all aid to Ukraine, that's how he's going to end the war.
    He may bluster to Putin about this kind of thing (or not) just to take a strong hand in negotiations, but the real thing that will actually happen is cutting of Zelensky to force him to the peace table.
    Trump is so 5D that I think we need to upgrade our analysis to match.

    Why don't you provide your explanation now for why Trump is lying about ending the Ukraine/Russia conflict and will actually escalate tensions with Russia in the future?

    I think we can handle the truth.

    Let me let you in on a little secret:

    It kind of rattles our faith in the great orange leader when he is so far ahead of us in his 5D-ery that he does exactly the opposite of what he says that he will do.

    If you can explain what/why he is going to say/do the opposite of what he does beforehand, perhaps we can get back into the MAGA.
    Last edited by sparebulb; 06-24-2024 at 09:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    If you can explain what he is going to say/do beforehand, perhaps we can get back into the MAGA.
    I don't think it's possible for anyone to understand the sheer depth of Trump's genius.

    You're basically asking us to predict Kasparov's next move again Karpov back in 1984, or asking us to to calculate special relativity before Einstein gave us the equations
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I don't think it's possible for anyone to understand the sheer depth of Trump's genius.

    You're basically asking us to predict Kasparov's next move again Karpov back in 1984, or asking us to to calculate special relativity before Einstein gave us the equations

    The power of the orange glow of MAGA should be able to transcend time and space.
    Last edited by sparebulb; 06-24-2024 at 12:43 PM.

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    But will the US already be at war with Russia by the time the election (was supposed) to happen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    But will the US already be at war with Russia by the time the election (was supposed) to happen?
    "We have always been at war with Eurasia."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    cutting of Zelensky to force him to the peace table.
    Zelensky is no longer the president of Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Zelensky is no longer the president of Ukraine.
    Many Countries during a war zone had elections even Syria,Iraq and still had elections yet Ukraine refuses to hold elections.

    Afraid of likely being replaced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Zelensky is no longer the president of Ukraine.
    He's still the one his army obeys and the one refusing to let anyone in Ukraine negotiate with Russia.
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    A peace deal which Russia will reject.

    https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1805499473340010541

    Providing additional security guarantees for Ukraine, potentially including significant armament.
    No security guarantees for Russia but for Ukraine..

    I see Trump is still trying to put NeoCons in his admin again.

    Russia has the capability to launch a strategic offensive in Ukraine if they wanted to do but arent..
    Yet the Chicken Hawks still provoking Russia.
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 06-25-2024 at 01:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    A peace deal which Russia will reject.

    https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1805499473340010541



    No security guarantees for Russia but for Ukraine..

    I see Trump is still trying to put NeoCons in his admin again.

    Russia has the capability to launch a strategic offensive in Ukraine if they wanted to do but arent..
    Yet the Chicken Hawks still provoking Russia.
    More anonymous sources?
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    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    More anonymous sources?
    And how many times have you flatly stated your opinion as fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's still the one his army obeys and the one refusing to let anyone in Ukraine negotiate with Russia.
    He is a puppet and makes no decisions.
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