Trump says he will get rid of the Department of Education if elected president

[69360]

Instead Trump will personally instruct children in shady business deals and paying off porno stars.

[TheTexan]

Instead Trump will personally instruct children in shady business deals and paying off porno stars.

Well, it would be an improvement over the current education

[Snowball]

Trump is not egging on Israel, he has criticized Israel, said the war needs to end, and said he will end it if it's still going.

Biden is funding both sides and trying to keep the war going, and RFKommie has gone all in on Israel.

The way I've seen it, it's Biden holding back shipments right now that is making Israel back off Rafah.
Trump wouldn't have withheld anything, and was vocally calling on them to "finish the job".

Anyway, I'm not voting for any of them, Biden (never would vote Dem), Trump, or RFK Jr.
I'm totally down-ballot. And I can afford to not have to settle because I'm fully disenfranchised.
The Democrat is automatic in Rhode Island.

[Invisible Man]

And he says he's sending it back to the states where it belongs:

Except when it comes to English, math, etc. Then it will be run by his tiny group that he will call by some name that isn't "Department of Education."

[Invisible Man]

During Trump's first term as president, Thomas Massie and other Republicans sponsored a bill to abolish the Department of Education, here is a quote of what Trump said in support of that bill at the time:

[Swordsmyth]

Except when it comes to English, math, etc. Then it will be run by his tiny group that he will call by some name that isn't "Department of Education."

His tiny group will just be reporting on what the states are doing so people know why Johnny can't read.

[Invisible Man]

His tiny group will just be reporting on what the states are doing so people know why Johnny can't read.

You have no reason at all to believe that.

[CaptUSA]

You have no reason at all to believe that.

You don't need reasons when you have faith in the almighty gospel according to Donald.

[acptulsa]

His tiny group will just be reporting on what the states are doing so people know why Johnny can't read.

Why?

There are companies that already do a better job of that than government can ever hope to do. All Trump is doing here is the same thing companies do when they get a bad name. He's changing their name.

Now there's an opinion stated as fact that's ten times more likely to be the truth than what you said.

[Occam's Banana]

All or nothing will get you nothing.

Tell it to William Lloyd Garrison (or Cassius Clay).

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There is no massive nationwide movement like abolition, and the abolition movement had to be built on partial steps, like ending the importation of slaves, and getting states not to enforce the fugitive slave act.

That is not what you said. You said, "All or nothing will get you nothing".

Garrison and the abolitionists went for "all", and that is what they eventually got - and nobody said anything about "or nothing" (then or now).

And the fact that they did not get it "all" all at once, the moment they started demanding it, is irrelevant - because "Purism is Practical":

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"Those who advocate a so-called extreme position can often move the center of political debate closer to the pure libertarian position." -- Ron Paul

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"This is not to suggest libertarians should reject transitional measures. A gradual transition is the best way to achieve liberty without causing massive social and economic disruptions." -- Ron Paul

As Murray Rothbard emphasized, we should always keep in mind the critical fact that there is no necessary contradiction between "absolutism in theory" and "gradualism in practice." In fact, gradualism in practice is fine. It has to be, if only because "gradualism" is almost always the only means by which things will actually change. As the great abolitionist (and absolutist) William Lloyd Garrison noted: "Urge immediate abolition as earnestly as we may, it will, alas! be gradual abolition in the end. We have never said that slavery would be overthrown by a single blow; that it ought to be, we shall always contend."

But it is just as important to understand that acknowledging the place of gradualism in practice is NOT an excuse for eschewing absolutism in theory. Serious (indeed, fatal) problems arise when "absolutism in theory" is misguidedly discarded and "gradualism in practice" is promoted to "gradualism in theory." As Garrison also pointed out, "gradualism in theory is perpetuity in practice."

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Work with Trump to get rid of the massive bureaucracy with its massive budget and powers, then we can worry about getting rid of whatever small oversight and statistics group he is talking about later.

No thanks. Instead, I think I'll just keep doing my own little bit (as relatively trivial as it may be) by "urg[ing] immediate abolition as earnestly as [I] may", and taking every opportunity to declare that the Department of Education ought to be abolished and replaced with a "small oversight and statistics group" absolutely nothing.

I encourage others to do so as well.

WWWLGD?

[LibertyEagle]

We should get rid of the "Department of Education" ... and then replace it with a "Department of Teaching English, Math, Etc."

Exactly!! There should be 0 federal control of education. I understand his sentiment, but hopefully Rand will get in his ear and tell him it has to be pulled out by the roots. To leave any part of it would mean that even if the federal government backed off for awhile, it would quickly be right back where it is.

[acptulsa]

...hopefully Rand will get in his ear...

I don't think Rand can afford his ear. I think it cost Miriam Adelson about $90,000,000 to rent his ear. Rand can't outbid that.

[LibertyEagle]

All or nothing will get you nothing.

And he says he's sending it back to the states where it belongs:

https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1804595439142060437

Take what you can get and work for more.

It was Thomas Jefferson who said, “Let no more be said about faith in man, but bind him down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution.”

If any part of it is left, we would be back where we are, or worse, after he left office. I understand his sentiment, but this is another instance where he would be better if he understood better our founding principles. He has heard of states rights. He mentioned it in reference to abortion. Hopefully Rand will get in his ear and tell him that applies to education too. He also needs to re-read the Constitution, because nowhere in there did it give the federal government purview over education.

This shouldn’t be hard to sell. We didn’t have a Department of Education until Jimmy Carter and as I recall, we ranked higher on most any subject without it.

[LibertyEagle]

I don't think Rand can afford his ear. I think it cost Miriam Adelson about $90,000,000 to rent his ear. Rand can't outbid that.

Rand got in his ear quite a lot the first time and I think you know Rand didn’t spend any money to do it.

[acptulsa]

Rand got in his ear quite a lot the first time and I think you know Rand didn’t spend any money to do it.

I know he didn't spend any money on it. But I never saw any evidence that Trump ever listened to him. He certainly never influenced Trump on anything important, like fiscal responsibility, smaller government (when do they replace the Pentagon with a Hexagon to accommodate the treaty-violating Space Force?) or Covid (even though Rand's a doctor).

[acptulsa]

You don't like the ED? You want it gone? Fine. I'll change the name of it for you.

Pure Trump.

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1838392824074744258

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/MadMikeOfficial/status...06121119076724

[PAF]

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1838392824074744258

If he is going to be in the administration I hope Zeldin will eliminate the FedDeptEd, and stay completely out of other areas.

Israel firster, he is awful on foreign policy and as neocon as one can be with an average Freedom Index of 65%. He also voted YES on Law Enforcement Partnership Grants which provides Federal Funding to Local LEO.

https://thenewamerican.com/freedom-i.../congress-117/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Zeldin

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uakm3Z2D9yQ

[DamianTV]

Homeschool FTW.

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”

— Harry Truman

And it starts with Public Education where children are taught with careful hands that theres no such thing as two genders, 1 + 1 = 11, CO2 is bad, and to worship the ground that govt stands upon. Public Education DIVIDES FAMILIES by teaching children that the STATE is their family, not their mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters.