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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Veto proof bills.
    Right

    How many crack-proof safes were cracked? How did the unsinkable Titanic sink?

    Too bad Trump didn't help educate his followers so that they could in turn contact their reps. Instead, he Pied-Piper'd "republicans" into buying everything that he had to sell.

    Don't blow smoke up my ass, Swordy, it doesn't work.
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Veto proof bills.
    Spam. Brainwashing. Lie. No such thing.

    Every post you type that into is a low value post, a falsehood designed to further the Deep State's gaslighting.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Right

    How many crack-proof safes were cracked? How did the unsinkable Titanic sink?

    Too bad Trump didn't help educate his followers so that they could in turn contact their reps. Instead, he Pied-Piper'd "republicans" into buying everything that he had to sell.

    Don't blow smoke up my ass, Swordy, it doesn't work.
    Safes and ships are inanimate objects.
    Politicians already bribed and blackmailed by the uniparty are not inanimate.

    When enough of them vote for a big enough uniparty priority then enough of them will also vote to override.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Safes and ships are inanimate objects.
    Politicians already bribed and blackmailed by the uniparty are not inanimate.

    When enough of them vote for a big enough uniparty priority then enough of them will also vote to override.
    And yet, you treat them as if they are just as predictable as inanimate objects, unable to respond to anything but the laws of physics. In fact, they have minds (usually defective, but minds) which can change.

    You act like Trump vetoing something that clearly needed to be vetoed would have cost him something. But he was already being impeached over nothing. He was rolling over like a prog saying screw us all some more, daddy. I want someone who knows how to fight back.
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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And yet, you treat them as if they are just as predictable as inanimate objects, unable to respond to anything but the laws of physics. In fact, they have minds (usually defective, but minds) which can change.

    You act like Trump vetoing something that clearly needed to be vetoed would have cost him something. But he was already being impeached over nothing. He was rolling over like a prog saying screw us all some more, daddy. I want someone who knows how to fight back.
    They have minds, and they can't be manipulated out of the bribed/blackmailed loyalty to their uniparty masters.

    The more waves Trump made the more likely it would be that one of the impeachments would be followed by a conviction and removal, or that he would be assassinated.

    That would have given the job to Judas Pence. (which is why the RNC forced Pence on him)
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They have minds, and they can't be manipulated out of the bribed/blackmailed loyalty to their uniparty masters.

    The more waves Trump made the more likely it would be that one of the impeachments would be followed by a conviction and removal, or that he would be assassinated.

    That would have given the job to Judas Pence. (which is why the RNC forced Pence on him)
    So, he had to limit himself to being just as worthless a rubber stamp as Jerry Ford because if he had acted like a man, they'd have removed him and replaced him with someone who was just as worthless a rubber stamp as Jerry Ford.

    Doesn't sound like We, the People stood to lose anything if he had tried. He stood to lose. He also stood to win a place in history as a great president, but apparently he didn't have the Alpha Balls to go for it.

    Your philosophy turned your alpha into a cuck. And you want me to give your cuck another chance to prove he's a cuck. Pretty boring. Or would be, if that weren't the sort of retarded thinking that destroyed this country.
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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, he had to limit himself to being just as worthless a rubber stamp as Jerry Ford because if he had acted like a man, they'd have removed him and replaced him with someone who was just as worthless a rubber stamp as Jerry Ford.

    Doesn't sound like We, the People stood to lose anything if he had tried. He stood to lose. He also stood to win a place in history as a great president, but apparently he didn't have the Alpha Balls to go for it.

    Your philosophy turned your alpha into a cuck. And you want me to give your cuck another chance to prove he's a cuck. Pretty boring. Or would be, if that weren't the sort of retarded thinking that destroyed this country.
    He did a lot better than that.
    And he will do better now that he has more power and allies.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He did a lot better than that.
    And he will do better now that he has more power and allies.
    Swamp. Endorsed.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Swamp. Endorsed.
    No, swampers replaced with MAGA.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, swampers replaced with MAGA.
    MAGA, such as Jim Justice, Mike Johnson, etc. Oh, ok.
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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Zoinks, that caused a fuss.
    @jmdrake, the mine field comment was pure, bitter sarcasm, that I was directing at @PAF just to get a rise out of him.

    I do not support creating a Dead Man's Zone of mines and booby traps at the border.

    That said, I am in favor of positioning troops along the border, to seal it effectively.

    We are being invaded, and the duty of the fedgov, under the constitution, is to protect the states from invasion.

    What you wrote explains why this invasion is so effective, no soldier with a conscience would shoot a child.

    Or rather, no soldier with Western values.

    Because the people we are being invaded and replaced by, by and large do not hold those same values. From the 8 year old suicide bomber, to the 9 year cobalt digger in Africa to the sex and snuff trade of minor children to the harems of young boys kept by Afghan homosexuals, it becomes clear that most of the world doe not give a $#@! about children.

    But we still do, and our enemies know that and that is why they invade us with bodies and not bullets.

    They use our innate good will and nature against us to destroy us.

    I'm not sure where Ron is on this issue, in 2007, when I dove in feet first to campaign for him, he ran ads saying "bring the troops home and use them to defend our borders, not some foreign power's".

    He's recently said that the real insurrection was not Jan 6 but is at the border, or words to that effect.

    Regardless, he doesn't agree with border wall and troops to defend it, I think that much is clear.

    Fine, that's his view, but he's wrong. Just yanking subsidies and handouts away is not going to stop this invasion.
    You might have been being sarcastic but that doesn't mean the idea isn't one that people take seriously. You remember how before October 7th, people pointed to Israel's wall as the "model" that America should follow? You know that Israel's wall had AI controlled machine guns? What's the difference between that and a mine? Rhetorical question. And....what good did it do on October 7th? Oh....I know...Israel had foreknowledge of the attack and Netanyahu funded Hamas etc. But the wall, the razor wire, the auto guns, the cameras, none of that meant shyt. By the way, both Trump and Biden have endorsed a "virtual fence" with "face scanning cameras" for controlling the border. Yeah! Bring on fvcking Skynet! (But wait until I get my 3D printed suicide drone factory online please.)



    Trump even wanted face scanning cameras at airports because we all know that dirt poor Guatemalans, El Salvadorans and Venezuelans are being snuck in through American Airlines. *sarcasm*

    Now, several years ago I made a tongue in cheek proposal on this forum and was roundly attacked because people were offended by the obvious logic of it. I'll make it again. If we're really being invaded by Central America through Mexico then the most obvious thing to do would be to invade and occupy Mexico. "OMG! How dare you talk about invading a foreign country! That's un-American! Worse it's un-Libertarian!" Give me a fvcking break! If we are going to sacrifice the @PAF version of libertarian purism for some sort of conservative pragmatism then don't bitch at me for my pragmatic thought experiments.

    If China landed 250,000 troops in Guatemala and started making their way up through Mexico with a clear intent to invade the United States, it would not make a damn lick of sense to wait until they got to the southern border. The 300 gay Spartans were able to hold off 300 THOUSAND Persian "immortals" at Thermopylae because they were using chokepoint warfare. Likewise it would be hella easier for the U.S. military to stop a migrant train here:



    Or here:



    Than it is to stop them here:



    Deep down you know I'm right about this. You have to. It's military common sense. The U.S. / Mexico border is 1,933 miles long. The Mexico / Guatemala border is 541 miles long. One is clearly easier to defend than the other. The only reason to be against the idea is it smacks against this forum's antiwar principles. But why must those principles be sacrosanct if anything else can be thrown out of the window? Of course an invasion might not even be necessary. Mexico might want U.S. help controlling its southern border. And there are other reasons to invade. Just a few years ago Republicans (of all people) wanted to invade Mexico to protect black people. Specifically the four black "healthcare" tourists (one woman apparently looking for cheap breast reduction surgery and her 3 male companions), who were kidnapped by a Mexican drug cartel that apparently thought they were part of a Haitian drug gang (all black people really do look alike I guess and they didn't bother checking IDs and/or accents). Two of the group were killed. I can't be angry at the Republicans because the cartel quickly turned over the 2 live hostages, the 2 dead bodies and a group of obvious patsies that they blamed the kidnapping mistake on. But that just all shows how lawless parts of Mexico can be when the cartels basically police themselves. I'm not sure which version of Mexico is the dominant one. The narcostate where the newly elected female president and the previous male president (both of the same party) have openly embraced "hugs not bullets" for dealing with the cartels? The "libertarian paradise" to which some U.S. expats have escaped? Or the industrial juggernaut that Donald Trump sees teaming up with China to flood America with cheap electric cars in a "bloodbath" to the U.S. auto industry? I do know there are already some (para?) military operations going on like when the Texas Rangers took over an island in the Rio Grande that was not claimed by the U.S. or Mexico but was openly being used by drug traffickers. (I put a question mark behind "para" because I honestly don't know what to call a group of state police who use military style dress, equipment, tactics, weapons, vehicles and gear).



    Anyway, my semi-sarcastic invasion of Mexico never materialized. But Trump did adopt one of my alternative proposals which is do the asylum processing of migrants in Mexico instead of in the U.S. It was the "remain in Mexico" policy, and it was an unqualified success. I can't really take credit for it. It's about as obvious as turning commercially available drones into weapons. (@LibertyEagle can attest that I had that idea way before the Ukraine war or even before before ISIS started using that in Syria).

    Anyhoo...this has gotten much longer than I expected. (Actually before I started typing this I could "feel" this would be a long response). Bottom line is this. You've got your "ideal" of what you want to happen. And then you've got the politicians that would implement it. (Trump or Biden). For what it's worth, both support Skynet on the border so.....?
    Last edited by jmdrake; 06-25-2024 at 04:03 PM.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And that's why you put things like minefields between barriers that keep random little kids from wandering into them.
    You also put up nice warning signs and make a big deal of advertising your new border defenses so people don't even try.

    And the vast majority of the border is not border towns with little kids walking around and wandering across the line, it's inhospitable wilderness.
    @Anti Federalist you see my point now? You might have been being sarcastic but the idea, is taken seriously. But these are the same people that still blindly support Trump after Trump and Biden agreed on face scanning cameras as part of border security.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    @Anti Federalist you see my point now? You might have been being sarcastic but the idea, is taken seriously. But these are the same people that still blindly support Trump after Trump and Biden agreed on face scanning cameras as part of border security.
    I'm not picking on @Anti Federalist, this relates to most people...

    Do you know how people who chain smoke, or drinkers who drink one after the after, can't stop no matter how hard they try? You can talk until you're blue in the face, and they might even fully agree with you, or they already know it on their own. Most voters are the same; no matter how hard they try not to, they won't be able to sleep at night until that lever is thrown.

    I'm not judging either way, just shedding light on how addictive/compulsive voting can be. They feel patriotic, like they're performing a duty, like they are making some kind of a difference. Politicians count on people like that. That's why we keep sliding further into tyranny.


    Tom Massie: "Noncompliance Is More Effective Than Voting."
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