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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Fine, that's his view, but he's wrong. Just yanking subsidies and handouts away is not going to stop this invasion.
    You never know until you try. Far from trying that, Trump started funding NGOs to illegally import people, and to the best of my knowledge to date, hasn't even acknowledged it's happening. That doesn't bode well that he will close the "...big, beautiful door..." in his big, beautiful wall, does it?

    Whether or not there's any time left for Trump to buy us, I still see no indication that Trump will even try.



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  3. #62
    Which idiot operates the apparatus between Trumps nose and chin?

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Which idiot operates the apparatus between Trumps nose and chin?
    First you tell your corporate masters what you're going to do, then you flip flop and watch your sycophants running around telling each other that you will do what you won't. It's called 3D Chess.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    First you tell your corporate masters what you're going to do, then you flip flop and watch your sycophants running around telling each other that you will do what you won't. It's called 3D Chess.
    News suggests that Timothy Mellon of the Shadow Government is swinging to Trump.
    Big 50 million dono.
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    Remember that moment GW Bush when he also said that he would be agaisnt nation building and then the two wars in the middle east were started by the Bush admin?
    "Humble foreign policy".

    Fool me once, we won't get fooled again...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  8. #66
    "Best and brightest". I.e. cheapest and most compliant.


    https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1786511577392578720
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  9. #67
    This video is the True Confession of the typical attitude of 1st - often 2nd or even 3rd - generation Indians.

    Born in India. Says - my parents came here on an H1B for the jobs - not because they loved America or want to be Americans.

    But they were given permanent citizenship anyway. Because Congress despises Americans and works for Immigrants. You just vote & pay taxes. Not enough, sorry. Migrants use massive Big Tech budgets to buy your jobs & citizenship for your replacement.

    His first instinct is to offer to stay and collaborate with the offshore Indians:

    “We can get rid of all these crackers & replace them with my friends - they’re all Indians.”

    You can say it’s humour but unemployment by replacement is no laughing matter, and he says very clearly - my network is all Indians. No talk of Americans here.

    Doesn’t even blink - because he doesn’t care about Americans.

    When Indian collusion by DEI-inspired woke racial politics doesn’t work, he offers to move back to India - because he doesn’t care about America.

    Finally, with every betrayal of Americans & America turned down - he says assuredly without missing a beat, I’m one of you guys.

    Afraid not. But yes, I have told this story here many times. There are waves upon waves of Indians, an infinite number of them - not particularly skilled but more ethnically desirable to our H1B Indian CEOs, and sometimes still more cheap - to replace not only Americans … but so many they will never get back to hiring Americans unless we halt mass legal immigration & mass deport.

    And the only concern to the vast majority of Indian “newcomers” - has demonstrated here - is whether or not more Indians are coming to replace them.

    Well that and – as he says – whether or not he can replace you the American in the meanwhile.

    Because they have already composed the obituaries of any “fellow” American workers. None of the plans here involved reflection or humanity. There was no option of identifying with millions of $#@!ed over Americans. Except as a last resort.

    Now ask yourself. What do you think would’ve happened, or what will happen, with this guy in a management job? Whose side you think he will be on? Who will he be hiring, based on his comments here?

    I have worked with more Indians than most Indians have. I did so for decades for two atypical reasons.

    First, I worked for an American company for years that was then bought by Indians. I was offered a big package - to be the one American left standing & train Indians to replace them. The Indians couldn’t really figure it out for themselves. As if that made it ok.

    I said $#@! off & turned down the offer, only to be hired by an American Company who then some years later bought an Indian company - and asked me to go fix things because of course it was totally $#@!ed up.

    At least this time I wasn’t being asked to replace Americans. But of course they kept sending Indians over here to try to figure out how to work me out of my job. There was really never any chance to any of them could. But regardless, all of the executive jobs went to Indians - and then all of the difficult management problems to make them appear successful went to me.

    As soon as they started replacing my American coworkers with Indian Indians, I again moved on.

    In addition, I’ve worked on many many contracts on truly large projects where many other contractors brought in were mostly Indians.

    I know business culture, which stems from the country culture, very well. Competence, fairness, meritocracy, lack of massive levels of cheating - these were never the hallmarks of Indian organizations.

    So I know this guy’s attitude is very typical. Better than most actually.

    Indian Nepotism - among Indians in India or America is the same. Whether a guy on a visa or this guy who has been made a citizen.

    Selling out & $#@!ing over Americans, is the norm.

    Any thought for “fellow Americans” - or turning America into a the Utterly Corrupt 3rd World Hellhole - is nonexistent.
    https://x.com/Aethelleas/status/1786618540180771175
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump Campaign Backtracks on Trump Promise of More College Migrants


    https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/06/21/trump-campaign-backtracks-on-trump-promise-of-more-
    The statement from Trump's spokesgirl:


    https://x.com/G_Slattery/status/1803929334358372815
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  11. #69
    Rename it the Jingoistic Party.

  12. #70
    Thread topic is legal immigration and green cards, not the border...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The statement from Trump's spokesgirl:


    https://x.com/G_Slattery/status/1803929334358372815
    Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

    No special work visas.

    No student passes.

    No "skilled worker" programs.

    Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.
    ďIt is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no Ďproposition nationí can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

    No special work visas.

    No student passes.

    No "skilled worker" programs.

    Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.

    I noticed Trump started to use the old Bush era wording like "Radical Islamists" and runs back to getting rid of palestine protestors

    What about the Sunni Jihadist radical Islamists in the country like some of the Saudis that might have a Jihadist connection do they get a free pass?



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The statement from Trump's spokesgirl:


    https://x.com/G_Slattery/status/1803929334358372815
    Judging by the replies on twitter it seems a majority of the reponsers the people arent happy with what Trump is offering.
    i want a president with the balls to stand up for the american people. trump is walking back his green card mill policies because they’re extremely unlikable.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

    No special work visas.

    No student passes.

    No "skilled worker" programs.

    Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.
    Student passes are not reasonable in first place
    Do something Danke

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

    No special work visas.

    No student passes.

    No "skilled worker" programs.

    Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.

    You and Elon can take turns trying to convince him.
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    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The statement from Trump's spokesgirl:
    Is it 2015? Have I traveled back in time?


    "You know the thing about Trump is that he means what he says"

    and also

    "Yeah well you see what he meant was"
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And your answer is, if Mr. Drake or I ignore your advice and attempt to flee your favorite flavor of tyranny over the southern border, we deserve to be blown up by a land mine.

    LOL Desperate much?
    No, I did not say you deserve to be blown up, but if we don't put in the defenses, including possibly minefields, the new regime you worry about fleeing will, just ask the East Germans about that.

    And I am desperate to save my country from the invasion and prevent an East German style government from being created.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Of course. Just because it's the severely flawed logic underlying your stated opinion doesn't mean you'd ever say it out loud. Quite the opposite.
    It has absolutely no connection to what I said.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    But I didn't advocate for open borders. I said that first Trump, then Biden paid NGOs to import people illegally, creating this problem. And they're about to use it to lock us in and implement stop and frisk tyranny. And both Trump and you are so busy promoting land mines and papers please checkpoints that neither of you even has a moment to stop and admit that the U.S. government needs to stop paying NGOs to import people illegally.

    That's what makes you the poster child for Hegel. You and Trump are like the person who pours sugar all over the floor because they like dancing La Cuckaracha.
    Trump didn't pay them, he tried to cut funds to them, I already proved that to PAF's satisfaction, but you never let the truth get in the way of your talking points.
    The payments started before Trump's time in office and were put in the budget by Congress in veto proof budget bills.
    If we don't put in the defenses to keep their invaders out they will do as you say they will and opposing us putting in the defenses first will not stop them.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You used this as justification for building it:
    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And that doesn't change that he wanted the military on the border to guard it. (the problem there is that a Biden type administration can withdraw the military or tell them to wave people through or even help them cross like has been done to the Border Patrol)

    What's the difference? "It is worth the cost" because Biden can withdraw the troops quickly and easily but can't so easily tear it down, "but nobody said it would function 100% all by itself." So, yeah, no, it, like, not worth the $#@!ing cost--at least, not for the reason you said it was.
    The difference is that even though I never claimed it would be 100% effective on its own it will be effective enough to be worth the cost.
    It will be even more worth it if we have patrols.
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You never know until you try. Far from trying that, Trump started funding NGOs to illegally import people, and to the best of my knowledge to date, hasn't even acknowledged it's happening. That doesn't bode well that he will close the "...big, beautiful door..." in his big, beautiful wall, does it?

    Whether or not there's any time left for Trump to buy us, I still see no indication that Trump will even try.
    Trump did not start funding NGOs, O'Bummer or maybe Shrub Jr., Clinton, or Shrub Sr. did.
    Congress put the funding in veto proof budget bills and Trump tried to cut the funding.

    Trump absolutely made great progress shutting down the invasion, and he will do better this time.
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The statement from Trump's spokesgirl:


    https://x.com/G_Slattery/status/1803929334358372815
    In the 2016 campaign and in the White House, Trump periodically veered from his American-first, low-migration campaign. Each time, he and his staffers backpedaled to the center amid protests by his base.

    Amid the zig-zags, Trump blocked and deported many blue-collar and white-collar migrants. For example, he stopped the inflow of H-1B and L-1 foreign workers in 2020, and he barred foreign workers from jobs at the Tennessee Valley Authority. “He saved 200 [technology] jobs that would have been outsourced and then eventually offshored,” Kevin Lynn, the founder of US TechWorkers, told Breitbart News.
    Overall, Trump’s curbs on migration forced companies to pay higher wages and also invest in productivity-boosting workplace upgrades, such as slaughterhouses and factories.

    https://www.breitbart.com/2024-elect...more-migrants/


    Watch what he actually does.
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

    No special work visas.

    No student passes.

    No "skilled worker" programs.

    Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.
    Moratorium until further notice.
    When we do open up again after throwing out everyone who needs to be thrown out then we only let in very low absolute numbers from only compatible cultures.
    I'd be open to special visas in some circumstances where we really needed someone if they reduced the general quota instead of being added to it.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump didn't pay them, he tried to cut funds to them...
    Yo. Einstein. He was too scared a little bitch to veto budgets and he tried and failed to get that funding cut? That means he did pay them, and that he knowingly paid them. Doesn't it, Hegelian Poster Boy?

    And I still don't see any sign he wants to stop it because he still hasn't even said the government is doing it.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump did not start funding NGOs, O'Bummer or maybe Shrub Jr., Clinton, or Shrub Sr. did.
    You just threw out the word maybe and four names like you're shooting a blunderbuss, and I'm supposed to think you aren't guessing your ass off and know what the hell you're talking about? Sorry, not happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Congress put the funding in veto proof budget bills...
    There's still no such thing. And you're still using Alinsky tactics by repeating the phrase just as if it were a real thing. Sorry, not buying.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You just threw out the word maybe and four names like you're shooting a blunderbuss, and I'm supposed to think you aren't guessing your ass off and know what the hell you're talking about? Sorry, not happening.
    I know it was happening under O'Bummer, I'm just not sure how far back it goes.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There's still no such thing. And you're still using Alinsky tactics by repeating the phrase just as if it were a real thing. Sorry, not buying.
    Yes, there is, and you denying it won't change that.
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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yo. Einstein. He was too scared a little bitch to veto budgets and he tried and failed to get that funding cut? That means he did pay them, and that he knowingly paid them. Doesn't it, Hegelian Poster Boy?

    And I still don't see any sign he wants to stop it because he still hasn't even said the government is doing it.
    LOL



    Trump claimed, without any supporting evidence, that Democrats were behind the caravan, and raised conspiracy theories that the Central Americans had been paid to come to the United States for political reasons.
    “Now we’re starting to find out – and I won’t say it 100%, I’ll put a little tiny question mark at the end. But we’re probably not going to need it, but we have the fake news back there,” he told the crowd, adding a familiar jab at news reporters covering his campaign appearances.
    “A lot of money’s been passing through people to come up and try to get to the border by election day, because they think that’s a negative for us. Number one, they’re being stopped. And number two, regardless, that’s our issue.”
    Trump appeared to be referring to a video posted by the Florida representative Matt Gaetz, which he claimed showed women and children being given cash to “storm the US border @ election time”. He suggested without evidence that the source could be “Soros? US-backed NGOs?” referring to George Soros, an American billionaire who is the frequent subject of rightwing conspiracy theories.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...me-no-evidence


    Former President Donald Trump has said that during his presidency, he cut federal funding to three Central American countries in order to "punish" them. He said he wanted to punish them immigrants kept coming from their countries to seek entry into the United States.


    During a Thursday night interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Ingraham played a clip of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In the clip, Pelosi said that Trump had withdrawn funding from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador—three countries that make up a region called the Northern Triangle—in order to punish them.
    Ingraham asked, "Mr. President, did you withdraw money from Central America to punish them?"
    "Absolutely. That's right," Trump replied.
    "We were paying them $500 million a year," Trump told Ingraham. "Nobody knew what they were doing with the money, and they were sending criminals to our country."


    "They abused us in so many different ways," Trump continued. He then accused the countries' leaders of refusing to accept murderers and members of the violent MS13 gang that had been caught at the southern U.S. border by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection.
    "They wouldn't take them. I stopped paying the $500 million that we were wasting when giving it to them," Trump continued.


    At the end of March 2019, the Trump Administration announced that it was cutting nearly $450 million in direct funding to the countries because of their failure to stop emigration.
    The Northern Triangle is the primary source of migrants to the United States. The immigrants largely flee their region to escape high murder rates, gang violence, low employment as well as a lack of access to food, necessities and social services. Recent droughts and hurricanes have worsened conditions in the region.
    The direct funding cut off by Trump had sought to stem migration from the region by helping the countries politically and economically stabilize in an effort to reduce migration caused by violence and corruption.


    The program paid millions to dozens of local and international nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). These organizations conducted development and humanitarian programs on the U.S. government's behalf.
    However, because the countries had failed to reduce migration, Trump cut off the funds as a punishment. When the funding ended, many NGOs had to scale back their programs or end them prematurely, closing offices and laying off staff, according to NPR.

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...sed-us-1578913
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I know it was happening under O'Bummer, I'm just not sure how far back it goes.
    Whenever it began:

    1. If Trump didn't know about it, he is not qualified to run this country, the contract/business person that he is.

    2. If Trump did know about it, he didn't do anything to correctly to address it.

    Either way it's a fail. Either way, his "solutions" require more government intervention.

    As to your post above, it was the bills that he signed into law which actually funded them.
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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I know it was happening under O'Bummer, I'm just not sure how far back it goes.
    So, you aren't citing a source because you know it has no credibility? Or do you just want us to take your bull on faith the way you take Trump's bull on faith?

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Whenever it began:

    1. If Trump didn't know about it, he is not qualified to run this country, the contract/business person that he is.

    2. If Trump did know about it, he didn't do anything to correctly to address it.

    Either way it's a fail. Either way, his "solutions" require more government intervention.
    Is your memory really so short?

    I already posted the information that proves you wrong to you and you acknowledged.
    Refresh your memory by reading #84 and update your talking points.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, you aren't citing a source because you know it has no credibility? Or do you just want us to take your bull on faith the way you take Trump's bull on faith?
    Facts are facts, and articles attacking him for what he did are perfectly credible proof he did it.

    Learn when to admit defeat and you might restore some credibility.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Is your memory really so short?

    I already posted the information that proves you wrong to you and you acknowledged.
    Refresh your memory by reading #84 and update your talking points.
    Read the last line of #85.
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Read the last line of #85.
    Veto proof bills.
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