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    Trump Changing His Position on Immigration


    https://x.com/EmeraldRobinson/status...26143156514886

    Edit - Found the entire podcast:


    https://x.com/theallinpod/status/1803895237540012084
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 06-21-2024 at 02:24 PM.
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    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status...85673567736124
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://x.com/EmeraldRobinson/status...26143156514886
    This is ridiculous fake news and you should delete your post. Trump has always been for merit based immigration, he's talking about students that come to our country legally on student visas to go to school here. Of course Congress would have input and there would be degree restrictions, the fact that the interview didn't expand on that and for massie to assume Trump wants 2yr poli sci majors getting green cards is totally imaginary BS.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    ... and for massie to assume Trump wants 2yr poli sci majors getting green cards is totally imaginary BS.
    If Massie says that's what existing law says, that's an educated statement. If he thinks that's the only kind of legislation we could expect from Congress, that's an assessment born of experience. And if he thinks Trump could settle for such just so he can say he signed something, based on his record, I say that's a good call.

    The man said what he said, and said it outright. Given the state of colleges and universities in this nation today, I don't know how he could propose letting them be the sole arbiters and de facto gatekeepers with a straight face, but he did. If you want to argue that your candidate doesn't know what the hell he's saying half the time, go ahead. It's a big club; the vast majority of Democrats are doing the exact same thing.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-21-2024 at 12:11 PM.

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    This is how Massie gets on peoples $#@! list and never accomplishes anything. He could have said 'I agree with Trump. But I would advocate for degree restrictions, WE don't want 2yr political science majors that don't help our country automatically getting green cards". Instead, he immediately drama farms on X and lies and makes $#@! up that Trump didn't say.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This is how Massie gets on peoples $#@! list and never accomplishes anything.
    He accomplishes a lot. He has accomplished more since he got on Trump's $#@! list than he had accomplished before that.

    It's your priority that he take your orange god by the hand and try to make something useful out of him, not Massie's. Massie, having met the man, obviously has less derangement than you do about whether that's even possible.

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    Folks like @spudea can't wait to "legalize" them so that they pay their "fair share" to grooowwww the government.

    Then there folks like @Anti Federalist and @Swordsmyth who will be on stand-by to shoot-to-kill on site.

    Me, I would just let them earn a buck, spend money on stuff to support businesses, and not think twice if their wages weren't taxed at all. But, that idea isn't too popular here in 'Merika.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Me, I would just let them earn a buck, spend money on stuff to support businesses, and not think twice if their wages weren't taxed at all. But, that idea isn't too popular here in 'Merika.
    You'd also let them find their own way here and sink or swim, instead of having their fare, room and board paid by taxpayers.

    Republicans keep forgetting that these things are even things. Yes, your government does these things, and Trump doesn't sound like he'll do any more to stop it than he did last time. More recruiters to bring them just means more cops are needed to stop and frisk them -- and us -- after they arrive. Suits Trump.

    In fact, he almost sounds like he'll forgive their student loans.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-21-2024 at 12:57 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Trump has always been for merit based immigration

    If you think Trump has ever had a consistent position on immigration from one day to the next, you're delusional.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You'd also let them find their own way here and sink or swim, instead of having their fare, room and board paid by taxpayers.

    Republicans keep forgetting that these things are even things. Yes, your government did these things, and Trump doesn't sound like he'll do any more to stop it than he did last time. More recruiters to bring them just means more cops are needed to stop and frisk them -- and us -- after they arrive. Suits Trump.
    It's already well known that Trump is nothing more than an opportunist. Except, he keeps opportuning on the government and globalists behalf, while you and I get to pay for it all.

    Whatever sounds good, they're going to support and vote for him anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    and for massie to assume Trump wants 2yr poli sci majors getting green cards is totally imaginary BS.
    Massie is simply accurately restating exactly what Trump says he's for in the video posted in the OP.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Massie is simply accurately restating exactly what Trump says he's for in the video posted in the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Massie is simply accurately restating exactly what Trump says he's for in the video posted in the OP.
    Wrong, types of degrees were never brought up in the video, so it's wrong to imagine Trump supports something he didn't say. Trump was clear he wants highly skilled students that create businesses and jobs that benefit our country to be eligible.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Anyone who looks at the political landscape in the Western world and says "what we need is to encourage more college" is absolutely, positively, without fail NEVER going to get my vote.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    This is ridiculous fake news and you should delete your post. Trump has always been for merit based immigration, he's talking about students that come to our country legally on student visas to go to school here. ...
    Granted, Trump has had that position, just like every politician says that they support "legal" immigration. Going against the US Chamber of Commerce is like going against AIPAC.

    The change in this interview was Trump emphasizing that 2 year degrees would qualify.

    And my problem with the entire concept is that these politicians look at someone like Elon Musk and say "it would be tragic not to give someone like this a green card and eventual citizenship". The problem being that people like that are rare. They are an exception, not the rule. Making gross generalizations and thus policy based upon the top 1% is foolish.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Educated people are as or more retarded on avg tan our current low infomation population. Exceptions could ne made for surgeons and parmacists or someting but overall I wouldnt expect em to add anyting overly positive. Universities are full of marxists.
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Wrong, types of degrees were never brought up in the video, so it's wrong to imagine Trump supports something he didn't say. Trump was clear he wants highly skilled students that create businesses and jobs that benefit our country to be eligible.
    Trump included all college degrees, regardless of type.

    The example Massie gave was one example of a degree that would meet Trump's criteria.

    Assuming there's such a thing as a two-year degree in political science. I've never heard of that. But if it exists, it would qualify for what Trump says he's for in the OP.

    Granted, Trump doesn't mean it, just like he doesn't mean it when he says the things you agree with either. But it's what he said.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 06-21-2024 at 01:49 PM.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Granted, Trump has had that position, just like every politician says that they support "legal" immigration. Going against the US Chamber of Commerce is like going against AIPAC.

    The change in this interview was Trump emphasizing that 2 year degrees would qualify.

    And my problem with the entire concept is that these politicians look at someone like Elon Musk and say "it would be tragic not to give someone like this a green card and eventual citizenship". The problem being that people like that are rare. They are an exception, not the rule. Making gross generalizations and thus policy based upon the top 1% is foolish.
    I agree
    Do something Danke

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    Id guess it is to put trump on equal footing on it w/ biden before debate
    Do something Danke

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    Found the entire podcast:


    https://x.com/theallinpod/status/1803895237540012084
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    And more context, the people interviewing Trump were pushing the "best and brightest" canard. Trump was responding in a positive way to their US Chamber of Commerce / High Tech Crony Corporatist talking point view of immigration.

    The right wing of the uniparty works just as hard as the left wing on continuing massive immigration. They don't want any solutions. To them, massive immigration is a good thing. Next best thing to buying slaves.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Trump included all college degrees, regardless of type.

    The example Massie gave was one example of a degree that would meet Trump's criteria.
    Hey dumbo, the word Degree was never used/uttered in the interview, so again you are lieing about what was said. He is being interviewed by Tech executives. He is talking directly to them about the highly technical skilled workers that these firms are looking for. The context matters. You can't fabricate anything you want and say that's what Trump believes.
    Last edited by spudea; 06-21-2024 at 02:54 PM.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Hey dumbo, the word Degree was never used/uttered in the interview, so again you are lieing about what was said.
    If you're going to commit a forum rules violation over it, you could at least listen again and make sure Trump not only didn't say "degree" --twice--but that he did not also say "diploma" (something which confers and confirms a guess what when awarded by a college or university).

    You're not only lying about that, you're lying about how the word lying is spelled. I guess we just don't find this inaccurate from of "enlightenment" enlightening.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-21-2024 at 03:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Trump included all college degrees, regardless of type.
    .
    Trump used the word “diploma” instead of “degree.” And he referred to graduating from either college or junior college in either 4 or 2 years. I haven’t scoured the video to catch if he used the word “degree” at any point or not. But it sounds like you have, so I’ll take your word for it.

    At any rate a college diploma and a degree are the same thing. Graduating from college is the same as getting a degree.

    What Massie said was a completely accurate representation of what Trump said.

    The more I read your first comment in this thread the funnier it gets. It’s a video of Trump speaking, saying what he meant to say in his own words. He will change his position tomorrow. But in the words he used in that video in the OP, he articulated the position he articulated. To call that fake news and accuse Trump of misrepresenting his own position is hilarious.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And more context, the people interviewing Trump were pushing the "best and brightest" canard. Trump was responding in a positive way to their US Chamber of Commerce / High Tech Crony Corporatist talking point view of immigration.

    The right wing of the uniparty works just as hard as the left wing on continuing massive immigration. They don't want any solutions. To them, massive immigration is a good thing. Next best thing to buying slaves.

    Remember that moment GW Bush when he also said that he would be agaisnt nation building and then the two wars in the middle east were started by the Bush admin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And more context, the people interviewing Trump were pushing the "best and brightest" canard. Trump was responding in a positive way to their US Chamber of Commerce / High Tech Crony Corporatist talking point view of immigration.

    The right wing of the uniparty works just as hard as the left wing on continuing massive immigration. They don't want any solutions. To them, massive immigration is a good thing. Next best thing to buying slaves.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Brian4Liberty again.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Then there folks like @Anti Federalist and @Swordsmyth who will be on stand-by to shoot-to-kill on site.
    @PAF

    Minefields.

    They are cheaper than soldiers, won't hesitate to act, are on guard 24/7 and do a hell of a job deterring invaders.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @PAF

    Minefields.

    They are cheaper than soldiers, won't hesitate to act, are on guard 24/7 and do a hell of a job deterring invaders.

    That's the Globalist Agenda of which you support. Spend spend spend into oblivion and reduce the carbon footprint.

    The remaining survivors will of course service their masters in the 4th Industrial Revolution, even though you think you won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That's the Globalist Agenda of which you support. Spend spend spend into oblivion and reduce the carbon footprint.
    Then why do globalists, universally, support migrant invasion of the West?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Then why do globalists, universally, support migrant invasion of the West?
    I don't believe they care either way where people actually live. But they do use it as a politicized tool, which enrages voters on both sides to literally beg for government "solutions", and drains tax-payers on both sides of their money.
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