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    Can RFK Jr Win? With Special Guest Nicole Shanahan

    Can RFK Jr Win? With Special Guest Nicole Shanahan



    Tech entrepreneur Nicole Shanahan burst into the American political scene when Robert F. Kennedy, Jr announced her as his running mate in what may be the most significant third-party run in recent memory. She joins today's Liberty Report to discuss the ideas that animate her campaign and the hurdles faced by "outsiders" in the duopoly called the American political system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole Shanahan
    We as a country are being tested as to whether or not we're going to put up with this coup any more.
    Yes, these people want to "fix it" and are being supported by the most earnest of the "we just have to get the right people in charge of government" crowd.

    But if they're sincere, and both have life records which indicate they may well be, they're going to find that the only way to get the swampy out of the swamp is to eliminate bureaus en masse and start over with a clean piece of paper.

    That would give us a very, very rare opportunity to ask, "Why did we ever need that agency at all?" over and over. We're good at arguing why they aren't needed. We just need for the subject to come up.

    We as a country are being tested as to whether or not we're going to put up with this coup any more. I don't know when or how we could possibly expect a better chance than we have with this Kennedy. It was, after all, his uncle who was lost when this coup was executed. Even the least informed and thoughtful voter can comprehend that concept.

    As for Trump, he's just the other proven tool. And now he's promoting nationwide stop-n-frisk. Papers, please.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-17-2024 at 09:38 AM.

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    Not a chance.
    And it's disgusting that Ron had her on.
    I blame McAdams, he's the one who sided with Macron and the globalists against the Yellow Vests.
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    Doubtful. RFK's turnout will not be better than Perot's was. At least there were polls back in '92 that actually had him ahead of Bush and Clinton.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And it's disgusting that Ron had her on.
    I blame McAdams...
    Ron Paul has never been one to try to silence people.

    That's your schtick. No wonder you hate the man and everyone who likes him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Ron Paul has never been one to try to silence people.

    That's your schtick. No wonder you hate the man and everyone who likes him.

    It's not silencing someone to not give them your megaphone.
    He shouldn't be giving publicity to a commie like her. (Or RFKOMMIE)
    They are getting plenty of publicity on their own, and nobody said to try to prevent them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's not silencing someone to not give them your megaphone.
    He shouldn't be giving publicity to a commie like her. (Or RFKOMMIE)
    They are getting plenty of publicity on their own, and nobody said to try to prevent them.
    At least he has some standards, unlike the LP. He doesn't point a microphone at Komrade Trump the Original Funder of Drag Queen Story Hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    At least he has some standards, unlike the LP. He doesn't point a microphone at Komrade Trump the Original Funder of Drag Queen Story Hours.
    Telling that lie about Trump over and over won't make it true.
    They started before Trump and Congress was the one putting them in veto proof budgets.

    RFKOMMIE is far more likely to support them than Trump who banned trans from the military.

    RFKOMMIE is far worse than even your jaundiced fantasies about Trump.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Telling that lie about Trump over and over won't make it true.
    They started before Trump and Congress was the one putting them in veto proof budgets.
    Who was the big balls unbeholden alpha swamp draining gator killer who obediently signed those budgets, which could indeed have been vetoed because Constitution?

    The fanboi trumpsucking lie "veto proof" is what won't become a thing through repetition.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Who was the big balls unbeholden alpha swamp draining gator killer who obediently signed those budgets, which could indeed have been vetoed because Constitution?

    The fanboi trumpsucking lie "veto proof" is what won't become a thing through repetition.
    It's already a fact in the Constitution, a large enough majority can override any veto, and the uniparty will most certainly do it.
    RFKOMMIE says he can't say whether parents should be able to mutilate and poison their children, kind of like how the left suddenly can't define a woman without being a biologist.
    He's from the party of child abusing perverts, and you won't catch him opposing it, let alone banning them from the military.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's already a fact in the Constitution, a large enough majority can override any veto...
    That didn't turn every man who held the office into a mouse.

    Even Jimmy Carter was brave enough to nut up, tell Congress to suck eggs, and take his override.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That didn't turn every man who held the office into a mouse.

    Even Jimmy Carter was brave enough to nut up, tell Congress to suck eggs, and take his override.
    Carter and the others were not fighting their own party as much or more than the opposition and weren't being hounded with false treason charges etc. in never ending impeachment pushes.
    They could afford to make more waves even when they accomplished nothing.
    Trump could only afford waves that accomplished something.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Carter and the others were not fighting their own party as much or more than the opposition...
    The hell he wasn't. Carter wasn't a member of the CFR. He had no friends in D.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The hell he wasn't. Carter wasn't a member of the CFR. He had no friends in D.C.
    LOL

    Don't make me laugh so hard.
    He spent his life trying to destroy America and serving globalism.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Don't make me laugh so hard.
    He spent his life trying to destroy America and serving globalism.
    Is that why he vetoed the repeal of a tariff on imported oil in 1980, just to have Congress override him?

    History exists, and this site isn't traditionally a place where you can rewrite it to suit yourself.

    And I don't know why I'd waste my time trying to make you laugh. I've never seen the slightest sign you have a sense of humor.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-21-2024 at 06:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Is that why he vetoed the repeal of a tariff on imported oil in 1980, just to have Congress override him?

    History exists, and this site isn't traditionally a place where you can rewrite it to suit yourself.
    One overridden veto proves nothing.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 06-21-2024 at 06:44 AM.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Is that why he vetoed the repeal of a tariff on imported oil in 1980, just to have Congress override him?

    History exists, and this site isn't traditionally a place where you can rewrite it to suit yourself.

    And I don't know why I'd waste my time trying to make you laugh. I've never seen the slightest sign you have a sense of humor.
    Lots of Presidents owned by the uniparty have issued vetoes and had them overridden, there are factional differences.
    He vetoed that bill because he wanted to stifle our economy with high energy prices.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Because this says you are a liar:
    The fact that you think so doesn't speak well of your grasp of history -- or your ability to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump...ed_legislation

    President Donald Trump (R) issued ten vetoes during his presidency. One of these vetoes was overridden by Congress.
    Carter had cojones enough to veto three times as many bills and force Congress to do the work of overriding him twice as often.

    https://www.parkspresidentsandparks....veto-1977-1980

    I guess that means he had balls two or three times bigger than Trump's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Lots of Presidents owned by the uniparty have issued vetoes and had them overridden, there are factional differences.
    He vetoed that bill because he wanted to stifle our economy with high energy prices.
    And Trump wants tariffs to stifle our economy with high prices too.

    Too bad you don't have any more principle than Trump does. You might spend less time contradicting the living snot out of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The fact that you think so doesn't speak well of your grasp of history -- or your ability to read.



    Carter had cojones enough to veto three times as many bills and force Congress to do the work of overriding him twice as often.

    https://www.parkspresidentsandparks....veto-1977-1980

    I guess that means he had balls two or three times bigger than Trump's.
    I misread your post and edited my reply.

    Carter was as deepstate as they come, and one overridden veto doesn't prove otherwise.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And Trump wants tariffs to stifle our economy with high prices too.

    Too bad you don't have any more principle than Trump does. You might spend less time contradicting the living snot out of yourself.
    Trump was unleashing our domestic industries in combination with tariffs which would bring prosperity and low prices.

    Carter did everything he could to suffocate our economy and domestic oil production, then he wanted to deny us the ability to put a bandage on the wound with cheap imports.

    This isn't rocket science, tariffs are good when you unleash domestic production, and they are bad when you stifle domestic production.
    Tariffs are a tool that can be used productively or destructively.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I misread your post and edited my reply.

    Carter was as deepstate as they come, and one overridden veto doesn't prove otherwise.
    Trump is the deep state puppet who only had one veto overridden. What did you think I meant when I said that happened twice as often to Carter as Trump? That Trump only vetoed half of one bill? The line-item veto is unconstitutional, bud. Crack open a book and stop making an ass of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump is the deep state puppet who only had one veto overridden. What did you think I meant when I said that happened twice as often to Carter as Trump? That Trump only vetoed half of one bill? The line-item veto is unconstitutional, bud. Crack open a book and stop making an ass of yourself.
    LOL

    Trump not vetoing veto proof bills proves nothing, the unending obstruction and persecution of him since he took office is unlike anything Commie Carter ever faced.
    Carter's entire agenda was Death to America, and he got much of it implemented, after which he was treated as a celebrity by the media and the establishment while continuing to push the globocommunist agenda when out of office.

    And who said anything about line item vetoes?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump is the deep state puppet who only had one veto overridden. What did you think I meant when I said that happened twice as often to Carter as Trump? That Trump only vetoed half of one bill?
    You used one particular veto as your evidence and that's what I was talking about.
    The others don't change anything either.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Trump not vetoing veto proof bills proves nothing... blah blah blah
    NO SUCH THING
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    NO SUCH THING
    But the "Alt" -Right MSM has programmed him to keep repeating the phrase until people think it is a thing.

    Just like this person does.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's already a fact in the Constitution, a large enough majority can override any veto, and the uniparty will most certainly do it.
    RFKOMMIE says he can't say whether parents should be able to mutilate and poison their children, kind of like how the left suddenly can't define a woman without being a biologist.
    He's from the party of child abusing perverts, and you won't catch him opposing it, let alone banning them from the military.
    This is the same reasoning the NRA used for 50 years WRT gun control. Our agenda isn't going to pass so don't bother.
    And the second people stopped paying attention to the NRA and pushing things back, the gun argument started getting permanently won.
    The only break in its stride was when Joe Biden directed his ATF to find a way to ban bump stocks without any new legislation.
    Remember that? Remember when Joe Biden did that? 'Cause that was a pretty huge abuse of power.
    WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK​ WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    We as a country are being tested as to whether or not we're going to put up with this coup any more. I don't know when or how we could possibly expect a better chance than we have with this Kennedy. It was, after all, his uncle who was lost when this coup was executed. Even the least informed and thoughtful voter can comprehend that concept.
    I've only voted for president twice as a multi-issue voter, both times for Ron Paul.
    Every other time it was a single issue that got my vote. TBH I haven't voted for president since 2012 because I haven't had a multi-issue candidate to vote for and the single issue I used to vote on was guns, and we're winning that irrespective who is in the white house.

    If there was an End-the-fed candidate, or an Abolish-public-schools candidate, or a Milei-style Destroy-nine-federal-agencies candidate, this would be a no-brainer. But I think I've found something that rises pretty close to that level.

    There is a You-don't-get-to-simply-call-him-a-conspiracy-theorist-and-shut-down-conversation candidate.

    Some of us here don't remember Ron Paul standing on a stage with Ralph bloody Nader and encouraging his supporters to look into him. Ron Paul worked regularly with Kucinich. Massie just did interviews where he talks about working with AOC.
    If we accept the state as how we are going to order society (and to be clear, I absolutely don't accept it as valid) then anything that gets done within that system is going to be a result of cooperating with strange bedfellows.

    I decided the other day to vote for RFKjr and pretty much for the reason of stopping the coup. "Conspiracy theorist" is one of the coup's favorite and most effective weapons. And I am going to vote to try to force them to stop using it.
    WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK​ WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    The only break in its stride was when Joe Biden directed his ATF to find a way to ban bump stocks without any new legislation.
    Remember that? Remember when Joe Biden did that? 'Cause that was a pretty huge abuse of power.
    I remember it, but one of the minor details seems off. Are you sure it wasn't another one of those deep state puppets who did that?

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    NO SUCH THING
    Yes there is.
    And repetition will not make your denial into reality.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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