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    Republicans for Forced Military Service


    LewRockwell.com
    Laurence M. Vance


    Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) said in an interview that he sees a clear need for measures to boost participation. “I like the idea of national service. And I’m not talking about in wartime”, he said, calling for more Americans to put “some skin in the game.” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) suggested that military recruiters need more leeway to work in the country’s public schools and said, “I will take no option off the table” when it comes to addressing the shortfalls, including compulsory service. Trump’s last defense secretary wants all public high school students to take the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB).

    There is a reason the military is not meeting its recruiting goals. Why would anyone join today’s military?

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    No way in hell should we have forced military service. All the military is now is a far left group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenpaul View Post
    No way in hell should we have forced military service. All the military is now is a far left group.
    Far left, far right, what's the difference? It serves the military industrial complex just the same - as it did under Bush/Cheney, before and after, et al.


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    Fuck that. I'm not getting forced into the military just so I can get shipped to the ME and get killed in the desert.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Trump's secdef choice also supports mandatory conscription.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    No better way to spark a massive anti-war movement than to start conscripting people for combat. Lefties in particular become MUCH MORE anti-war when they’re afraid their own asses are gonna be rounded up and sent into harm’s way.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    No better way to spark a massive anti-war movement than to start conscripting people for combat. Lefties in particular become MUCH MORE anti-war when they’re afraid their own asses are gonna be rounded up and sent into harm’s way.
    I have no issues with this as long as the War Hawks, interventionists get conscripted first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    I have no issues with this as long as the War Hawks, interventionists get conscripted first.

    I was being facetious.

    But apart from the kidnapping and forcing folks into gladiatorial slavery to fight to the death for the interests of the elite few, yeah, no problem.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I was being facetious.

    But apart from the kidnapping and forcing folks into gladiatorial slavery to fight to the death for the interests of the elite few, yeah, no problem.
    At least you have our ally Ukraine doing this to their populace....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    At least you have our ally Ukraine doing this to their populace....

    No “ally” of mine. And I don’t have any influence over what their parasitic ruling class is doing to them over ther. Still trying to convince my fellow “liberty activists” to stand together and resist our own parasites.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenpaul View Post
    No way in hell should we have forced military service. All the military is now is a far left group.
    Currently we are for the most part called to duty from cradle to grave. WTF else can the communist bastards want ?

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    South Korea has compulsory service, 18 months and you are done. It applies to everyone age 18-30, even the most popular kpop group BTS wasn't exempted. It seems to help their society. Look at ours and the youth of today. A majority of Americans, terminally obese land whales, need an 18 month boot camp.

    Everyone on this forum would be too old for it, so it's not like you're getting conscripted. We're too far gone as a country to implement something like that for sure. Maybe after WWIII.
    Last edited by spudea; 06-13-2024 at 06:14 AM.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    lol whatever , most HS students today are not nor will they be physically and or mentally fit for service of about any kind . nor have been for quite some time. Guess these guys dont get out much. They wouldnt get many more than they are now and it would create a huge backlash. The risk / reward way out of balance there on an obama type unreality .Crap like that happens when the elected lack any vision , foresight , wisdom and creativity. I could put together programs to fill open Army slots. Pretty easy really
    Do something Danke

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    Every member of the neo con family should be forced into service

    Kagans look Fat & incredibly removed from ship shape

    How could this is done? I dunno... suggestions?

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    Draft my kids to fight for this regime, the Jews, and to spread sodomy around the globe?

    $#@! you, over my dead body.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Draft my kids to fight for this regime, the Jews, and to spread sodomy around the globe?

    $#@! you, over my dead body.
    seems reasonable to me
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    South Korea has compulsory service, 18 months and you are done. It applies to everyone age 18-30, even the most popular kpop group BTS wasn't exempted. It seems to help their society. Look at ours and the youth of today. A majority of Americans, terminally obese land whales, need an 18 month boot camp.

    .

    The hell with individual rights, if it's "good for society".

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    South Korea has compulsory service, 18 months and you are done. It applies to everyone age 18-30, even the most popular kpop group BTS wasn't exempted. It seems to help their society. Look at ours and the youth of today. A majority of Americans, terminally obese land whales, need an 18 month boot camp.

    Everyone on this forum would be too old for it, so it's not like you're getting conscripted. We're too far gone as a country to implement something like that for sure. Maybe after WWIII.
    South Korea is a high IQ, high trust, tightly knit, homogenous society with a deranged communist regime with nukes on its border.

    Apples and bowling balls.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    South Korea is a high IQ, high trust, tightly knit, homogenous society with a deranged communist regime with nukes on its border.

    Apples and bowling balls.
    True , if conditions warrant it things can certainly seem reasonable but it doesnt here . We could control our Southern border without it we just dont.
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    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    The hell with individual rights, if it's "good for society".
    Look i get it, Libertarians object to any collectivisms. A Libertarian would see his neighbor's house on fire, and object to paying taxes for the Firefighters to come save the neighbor. Then when his own house is on fire, he would run into the street in a panic, and no one would come help him. I don't want to live in a world like that. I want community and people helping each other. Churches helped facilitate community in the past, but these days, only about 20% of people regularly attend church.

    A service obligation doesn't have to mean military, it could be 12 months of community service, there could be options. It's an interesting idea, and of course it will never work in this country, but as a thought experiment I think it could help with many of the trends we are seeing that result in the downfall of nations. The US constitution is our nation and has helped secure our liberties. Collectivism to preserve our constitution and our liberties is necessary.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Put another way, if it ever comes to revolution, or "1776 will commence again" against tyranny. Who do you want to join arms with? Strength in numbers right? A loony liberal that never touched a gun, is against all guns and didn't want you to have any guns? Or maybe that same person could have had 12 months of training with guns and they learn more about them and realize their importance.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Put another way, if it ever comes to revolution, or "1776 will commence again" against tyranny. Who do you want to join arms with? Strength in numbers right? A loony liberal that never touched a gun, is against all guns and didn't want you to have any guns? Or maybe that same person could have had 12 months of training with guns and they learn more about them and realize their importance.
    We could do that right now, without getting Uncle Sucker involved, who would never distribute arms to train with in the first place.

    I'm surprised they are not issuing shoulder stock pink dildos in place of service rifles.

    Start a Committee of Safety in your community.

    Or host an Appleseed shoot.

    And for the record, I agree with you about community.

    But you can only have that kind of community if the people in it are roughly similar in beliefs, creeds, races, religions and political philosophy.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Look i get it, Libertarians object to any collectivisms. A Libertarian would see his neighbor's house on fire, and object to paying taxes for the Firefighters to come save the neighbor. Then when his own house is on fire, he would run into the street in a panic, and no one would come help him. I don't want to live in a world like that. I want community and people helping each other. Churches helped facilitate community in the past, but these days, only about 20% of people regularly attend church.

    A service obligation doesn't have to mean military, it could be 12 months of community service, there could be options. It's an interesting idea, and of course it will never work in this country, but as a thought experiment I think it could help with many of the trends we are seeing that result in the downfall of nations. The US constitution is our nation and has helped secure our liberties. Collectivism to preserve our constitution and our liberties is necessary.
    I'm not a hard core purist, but a "service obligation" is creepy and way over the line for me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by helenpaul View Post
    No way in hell should we have forced military service. All the military is now is a far left group.
    Cool story now do public school
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