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    Trump makes campaign pledge to eliminate fed income tax on tips earned.

    At Nevada rally yesterday.


    https://x.com/i/status/1799901927477596576

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    Yeah, but he's not going to cure cancer, now, is he?
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    I dunno how this idea came about. We should be ending tipping culture, it's ridiculous and a failure for most workers. Regardless, tips are income obtained thru employment, so why should they get special exemption?
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I dunno how this idea came about. We should be ending tipping culture, it's ridiculous and a failure for most workers. Regardless, tips are income obtained thru employment, so why should they get special exemption?
    I'm in favor of anything that keeps more money in the pockets of the people and not in Uncle Sucker's.

    Period.
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    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Why didn't Trump do it the first time around?

    And how would he do this unilaterally?


    Next up: Hunter Biden accepts tips instead of payment for his artwork...
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    Ron Paul stated in his 2008 run that if we could completely eliminate personal income tax altogether if we reined in federal spending to what it was in 2000.
    I'm convinced that's why he didn't do better. Most people are incapable of envisioning things being different. And if they are, fear of things being worse is what keeps them from acting.
    It applies to all sorts of things besides government - hell, I ran into this a long time ago with a group of friends I went camping with in the exact same spot every year, and it was like pulling teeth just to get them to understand there wasn't a single blasted tree to hide under and it was hot and it sucked, and there's no way it can be worse.

    This is probably why so few people are entrepreneurs - people generally suck at managing risk so they generally take the least risky option. Trump the entrepreneur knows exactly what he's doing - he's offering everyone a minimal risk, tiny improvement to their lives, and it's something that can't possibly make any negative effect because it's already something nobody is doing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I dunno how this idea came about. We should be ending tipping culture, it's ridiculous and a failure for most workers. Regardless, tips are income obtained thru employment, so why should they get special exemption?
    Taxing income that isn't part of W2 withholding puts an extra burden on workers just to comply. I'm betting that back in the day before most people started adding the gratuity on the credit card statement, the overwhelming majority of tips simply went unreported. Anyhow the income tax itself should be abolished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Why didn't Trump do it the first time around?

    And how would he do this unilaterally?


    Next up: Hunter Biden accepts tips instead of payment for his artwork...
    Until he wins the election it doesn't matter if he does it. After he's elected it makes no difference for him politically if he does or not. This of course goes for everything he says. Something which is more difficult for a sitting president, as they could decide to do something tomorrow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Taxing income that isn't part of W2 withholding puts an extra burden on workers just to comply. I'm betting that back in the day before most people started adding the gratuity on the credit card statement, the overwhelming majority of tips simply went unreported. Anyhow the income tax itself should be abolished.
    I delivered pizzas for a couple years, back in the late 90s

    Payments were almost universally cash, and so were the tips.

    And I paid all required taxes on that income...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I delivered pizzas for a couple years, back in the late 90s

    Payments were almost universally cash, and so were the tips.

    And I paid all required taxes on that income...
    And now people use CashApp, PayPal and Venmo for all sorts of things like yard sales or they neighborhood kid cutting lawns. And....after promising to go after billionaire "tax cheats"....Biden decided to go after people making small payments on those apps. Which could be another reason why 20% of African Americans are currently saying they're not going to vote for him.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And now people use CashApp, PayPal and Venmo for all sorts of things like yard sales or they neighborhood kid cutting lawns. And....after promising to go after billionaire "tax cheats"....Biden decided to go after people making small payments on those apps. Which could be another reason why 20% of African Americans are currently saying they're not going to vote for him.
    I am heartened by the increase in small businesses going "cash only".

    20 percent of the black community not voting democrat is pretty stunning, politically.
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    Well I could see tips as gifts and not income and I could see it as payment for service too as income . I pay tips in FRNs not on a card, Up to them if it is to be sent to Ukraine before coming back to a biden
    Last edited by oyarde; 06-11-2024 at 08:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And how would he do this unilaterally?
    He couldn't. He just thinks he can because Article II of the Constitution somehow gives him the authority to do anything he wants, something that never occurred to every other president in the country's history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I am heartened by the increase in small businesses going "cash only".

    20 percent of the black community not voting democrat is pretty stunning, politically.
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    Operation Warp Speed, $8+ Trillion in a single term, Federalized Local LEO Immunity and Nationwide Stop and Frisk…

    I think that is an incredible trade off!

    Thanks for that tip!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Operation Warp Speed, $8+ Trillion in a single term, Federalized Local LEO Immunity and Nationwide Stop and Frisk…

    I think that is an incredible trade off!

    Thanks for that tip!
    LOL...He really could cure cancer, and you'd bitch about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL...He really could cure cancer, and you'd bitch about it.

    It’s not his job to cure cancer, nor is it government’s.

    But he could and just might possibly build out a complete and total totalitarian nation, BoR be damned, and you’d be thrilled with that and would even throw in an extra $2T.

    Last edited by PAF; 06-10-2024 at 02:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    It’s not his job to cure cancer, nor is it government’s.

    But he could and just might possibly build out a complete and total totalitarian nation, BoR be damned, and you’d be thrilled with that and would even throw in an extra $2T.

    I upped the ante to 4 trillion...Auslander Raus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Why didn't Trump do it the first time around?

    And how would he do this unilaterally?


    Next up: Hunter Biden accepts tips instead of payment for his artwork...
    What's so sad about this is that we really are punished because of the evil of those with money and power. It is obviously wicked and wholly inexcusable for the government to be collecting taxes from the working Mom waiting tables at the local Denny's. But as soon as the government says, "we don't tax tips", every drug lord sleazeball and his buddies in government suddenly classify all their laundered money as "tips". So, because our society is addicted to cops-and-robbers (aka DEA-and-drug-lords) and since we are a wicked nation who does not actually care about the plight of the working Mom waiting tables at Denny's, we stamp her under the boot of oppressive taxation so we can keep cops riding their ego-trip and generating footage for COPS TV episodes. The correct solution is to stop trying to criminalize everything you don't like and stop plundering the poor and vulnerable who just happen to be the easiest targets to steal from. The government in DC is absolutely shameful.
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    I remember leaving the Ron Paul “no taxing tips” card at restaurants with my tips back in the day. Memories…


    But again Trump says all kinds of things.
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    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL...He really could cure cancer, and you'd bitch about it.


    Oh come on AF, he hasn’t done anything on this as yet save bloviate. And we’ve already heard more soon to be broken promises from this guy than a preacher hears at a Vegas wedding chapel. I’d say it’s appropriate to be skeptical, wouldn’t you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I’d say it’s appropriate to be skeptical, wouldn’t you?
    It's "if you're skeptical you want four more years of Biden" season again.



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    How about eliminating the fed income tax altogether?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How about eliminating the fed income tax altogether?
    they cant because they wont cut spending and any flat tax of reasonable percentage as replacement would be a very big tax increase on median income type people. Flat tax cant be 9 itd need to be about 1
    Last edited by oyarde; 06-11-2024 at 08:18 AM.
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    income tax cant be gone when you allow yer govt to spend a trillion more than they take in every 89 days or so . wont ever
    Last edited by oyarde; 06-11-2024 at 08:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I remember leaving the Ron Paul “no taxing tips” card at restaurants with my tips back in the day. Memories…


    But again Trump says all kinds of things.
    I still do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Oh come on AF, he hasn’t done anything on this as yet save bloviate. And we’ve already heard more soon to be broken promises from this guy than a preacher hears at a Vegas wedding chapel. I’d say it’s appropriate to be skeptical, wouldn’t you?
    LOL of course...but of course I'm happy to at least see it mentioned, as it was a plank of Ron's platform.

    Besides, like I said, I like raising @PAF 's blood pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL of course...but of course I'm happy to at least see it mentioned, as it was a plank of Ron's platform.

    Besides, like I said, I like raising @PAF 's blood pressure.
    Im going to consider PAF doesnt get many tips
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