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    Libertarian Party 2024 POTUS/VP ticket: Chase Oliver & Mike ter Maat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Is anyone else watching this mess as they attempt to select a POTUS candidate?

    As per usual, the party is divided right down the middle between the left and right. It is possible at this point that NOTA (none of the above) will win.
    Update: Chase Oliver wins.

    The process: Michael Rectenwald (Mises Caucus candidate) was ahead on every ballot up (5 or 6 voting rounds?) until it was down to two candidates (Chase Oliver vs. Michael Rectenwald). The third place candidate (Mike ter Maat), cut a deal to be the VP candidate with Chase, and endorsed Chase Oliver.

    At that point in the next ballot, it was nearly a tie (Chase a little ahead), but neither candidate had 50% due to votes for NOTA. The final vote was Chase Oliver vs. NOTA. Chase won with ~60%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Is anyone here tuned in to the Libertarian Party enough to provide some insight into the candidates vying for the LP nomination for POTUS this election cycle?



    https://ballotpedia.org/Libertarian_...mination,_2024

    I assume there are only a handful from that list that are realistically viable for winning the party nomination. Any ideas who they are? I only recognize one name in that list and that's mostly because he's really active on X/Twitter.
    Chase Oliver wins it...


    https://x.com/LP_CLC/status/1794914958880481568
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Mike ter Maat wins the VP slot.


    https://x.com/LP_CLC/status/1794956068948418960
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 05-26-2024 at 11:06 PM.
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    https://x.com/LP_CLC/status/1794959301968367684
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Oliver was previously a Democrat and had supported Barack Obama in the 2008 U.S. presidential election...
    ...Oliver joined the Libertarian Party in 2010 after meeting several members of the party at an Atlanta Pride Festival.

    Abortion

    Oliver self-identifies as pro-choice, although he is opposed to taxpayer funding of abortions. He believes that abortion should be legal nationwide, and he has said he would support legislation to make it so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Oliver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://x.com/LP_CLC/status/1794959301968367684
    whoooooo??????

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    Libertarian nominee Chase Oliver:

    99% of drag queen story hours are fine for kids. If he had children, he says he'd bring them to one and leave them there.

    "It's just like the Wiggles"

    https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1794992462403957031

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    I don't know anything about Chase Oliver but what has been posted here. The LP chose a candidate with zero name recognition outside of their silo. This is, IMO, not a serious candidate. It's a masturbatory waste of time and energy.

    I had seen a tweet yesterday with a screenshot of a spreadsheet with the round 2 voting totals ...

    https://x.com/pmbug/status/1794840637650694302




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    This is, IMO, not a serious candidate. It's a masturbatory waste of time and energy.
    Agreed. I don't know how Rectenwald goes from 50% more votes to losing. But this party really doesn't seem to be any better at putting their best people forward than the major parties are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Oliver was previously a Democrat and had supported Barack Obama in the 2008 U.S. presidential election...
    ...Oliver joined the Libertarian Party in 2010 after meeting several members of the party at an Atlanta Pride Festival.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Oliver
    What is a person's previous voting record indicative of?
    In 2016 you did not vote for Trump. Hillary was his opponent.
    Who did you vote for in 2016?

    What was so spectacular about Trumps Presidency that you became such a staunch supporter?

    If your past voting record doesn't mean anything, why would anyone else's?

    Wasn't Trump a Democrat for many years?

    I think the nominee is a terrible choice but, I am not the one bringing up a person's voting history as if it means something. If it means something for one person it means something for every person.

    Seriously since you did not support Trump in 16, what was it that made you such a diehard Trumpster?
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-08-2024 at 06:21 PM. Reason: fixed quote ID number

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Update: Chase Oliver wins.

    The process: Michael Rectenwald (Mises Caucus candidate) was ahead on every ballot up (5 or 6 voting rounds?) until it was down to two candidates (Chase Oliver vs. Michael Rectenwald). The third place candidate (Mike ter Maat), cut a deal to be the VP candidate with Chase, and endorsed Chase Oliver.

    At that point in the next ballot, it was nearly a tie (Chase a little ahead), but neither candidate had 50% due to votes for NOTA. The final vote was Chase Oliver vs. NOTA. Chase won with ~60%.
    It's gonna be interesting to see how a national LP controlled by the Mises Caucus supports - or fails to support - a POTUS/VP ticket that thwarted the ticket endorsed by the MC. Ain't politics fun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    It's gonna be interesting to see how a national LP controlled by the Mises Caucus supports - or fails to support - a POTUS/VP ticket that thwarted the ticket endorsed by the MC. Ain't politics fun?
    https://x.com/DylanMAllman/status/1794919379492360280

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Libertarian nominee Chase Oliver:

    99% of drag queen story hours are fine for kids. If he had children, he says he'd bring them to one and leave them there.

    "It's just like the Wiggles"

    https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1794992462403957031

    Welp, looks like a hard no from me.

    The sad thing is that so many people were interested in third party candidates for the first time this year and then this guy wins the LP nomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    Welp, looks like a hard no from me.

    The sad thing is that so many people were interested in third party candidates for the first time this year and then this guy wins the LP nomination.
    Hate to mimic Trump, but...

    If elected, I think Rectenwald would make a great president, better than Kennedy. But let's be realistic. A Kennedy started this coup and I don't see anyone but a Kennedy breaking the two party uniparty and reversing the coup. There's a symbolism there that even the dumbest voter can get. It appeals to those who hate injustice.

    We weren't going to elect the right guy. So we can totally not vote Libertarian with a good conscience now. We have a chance to use American Political Royalty card, and the who do you trust card, and he can't be He Who Must Not Be Named because his name is in all the history books. The best LP candidate in the world will never have all that.

    Whoever engineered this nomination totally shot the LP in the foot. If the goal was to keep any independent from getting the vote, they blew it because they don't understand principle. There's no matter of good libertarian principle that demands we vote for Wannabe Johnson over here.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-27-2024 at 06:50 AM.

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    Well, it looks like I WON'T be voting for the Libertarian candidate this year. Time to see who the Constitution Party has.

    - ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Landon View Post
    Well, it looks like I WON'T be voting for the Libertarian candidate this year. Time to see who the Constitution Party has.

    - ML
    based on it , id never vote for libertarian again and will deny my past votes
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    based on it , id never vote for libertarian again and will deny my past votes
    This clown won't make me deny voting for Ron Paul in '88.

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    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    kiddie diddlers already ave own party , one tis guy recently left.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    kiddie diddlers already ave own party , one tis guy recently left.
    They may have him back. In fact, they need to grab a net and come get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    The LP has fallen a long way from the days of Harry Browne.
    Hell, this guy's a long fall from Bob Barr.
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    This weekend we retained control of the LNC while reelecting Angela Mcardle who is a phenomenal chair and put on the best convention in the party’s history. Unfortunately, we lost the big one and there’s no getting around that.

    I can’t ignore the elephant in the room here: this is all my fault. When I was planning on running there was tremendous enthusiasm and energy amongst our ranks. When I pulled out for family related reasons, it pulled the rug out from under our guys and we weren’t able to recover.

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    The blame is on me, not those guys. I deserve to take my lumps and I can handle that but please don’t take this out on good people who busted their asses for you. It’s my fault and I’m sorry I let you down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    The LP has fallen a long way from the days of Harry Browne.
    The leftarians are in charge, no coubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The leftarians are in charge, no coubt.
    AF, help me out here... While I agree to some extent, how can one make that statement while ignoring/dismissing the rightarians? I remember identifying a root cause of an issue and the enormous finances involved, but then I was told that it didn't matter?

    I am to understand that rightarians are the best philosophy, as long as it is contrary to the leftarian philosophy?
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    https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1795058384560853501

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    AF, help me out here... While I agree to some extent, how can one make that statement while ignoring/dismissing the rightarians? I remember identifying a root cause of an issue and the enormous finances involved, but then I was told that it didn't matter?

    I am to understand that rightarians are the best philosophy, as long as it is contrary to the leftarian philosophy?
    I am not in favor of grown men in dresses waving their dicks at 8 year old kids in the library.

    This man is.

    I don't know what sort of political philosophy you want to ascribe to that position.
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