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Thread: Libertarian Party 2024 POTUS/VP ticket: Chase Oliver & Mike ter Maat

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Trump doesn't best represent me, I won't be voting for him, I am like you I won't be voting at all.
    At least we won't be complicit ;-)

    BUT I see the true political landscape in America, right now America has the choice between a drunken monkey that gets 50% of the things done that people want, and maybe couple more good supreme court judges, or the utter insane garbage of the left and a senile leader with super leftist activists judges on the supreme.
    A few good little bones [if they even are] will never overcome the many, many horrendous ones. Debt is the number one enemy with many contributing factors. Flavors of "D" [left-jack-boot] and "R" [right-jack-boot] don't matter on a sinking ship -- other than the fact that the right hand feeds the left which feeds the right.

    I can see what Americans will pick, and why.
    Cradle-to-Grave, in one form or another; they are statists.


    Have you seen this?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post7230490
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    What is a person's previous voting record indicative of?
    In 2016 you did not vote for Trump. Hillary was his opponent.
    Who did you vote for in 2016?

    What was so spectacular about Trumps Presidency that you became such a staunch supporter?

    If your past voting record doesn't mean anything, why would anyone else's?

    Wasn't Trump a Democrat for many years?

    I think the nominee is a terrible choice but, I am not the one bringing up a person's voting history as if it means something. If it means something for one person it means something for every person.

    Seriously since you did not support Trump in 16, what was it that made you such a diehard Trumpster?
    I wrote in Ron Paul in 2016.
    I have devoted many posts over the years here to all the unexpected good things Trump did and he did not do many of the things his past statements indicated he might.


    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and I have the posts here to prove it.
    I won't be voting for this clown and neither should anyone else, his record is much worse than Trump's prepolitical record.



    The Libertarians just nominated Chase Oliver, who has PUBLICLY called for:

    Transing children
    Mask & Vax mandates
    Men in women’s sports
    Open borders

    And that’s just what he’s been calling for under Biden

    What a joke. This guy’s not getting anywhere CLOSE to 3%

    https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1794941706279977332

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Libertarians just nominated Chase Oliver, who has PUBLICLY called for:

    Transing children
    Mask & Vax mandates
    Men in women’s sports

    Open borders
    Not that I don't trust you... well, I don't But can you please post On The Record pertaining to the bold? Because if that's the actual case, I'll give you a neat little star to hang on your fridge

    Oh, and I don't care to discuss the already hermetically-sealed closed border issue with you. So there.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-08-2024 at 07:35 PM. Reason: fixed quote ID number
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Not that I don't trust you... well, I don't But can you please post On The Record pertaining to the bold? Because if that's the actual case, I'll give you a neat little star to hang on your fridge

    Oh, and I don't care to discuss the already hermetically-sealed closed border issue with you. So there.
    Screenshots at the tweet.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I wrote in Ron Paul in 2016.
    I have devoted many posts over the years here to all the unexpected good things Trump did and he did not do many of the things his past statements indicated he might.

    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and I have the posts here to prove it.
    I won't be voting for this clown and neither should anyone else, his record is much worse than Trump's prepolitical record.
    Yeah yeah, closet fascist-lib. Anyway...


    The Libertarians just nominated Chase Oliver, who has PUBLICLY called for:

    Transing children
    Mask & Vax mandates
    Men in women’s sports
    Open borders
    Can you please post On The Record pertaining to the bold, because seriously, that is alarming. If not, I'll try to do it myself after a little rest.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Screenshots at the tweet.
    Thanks, but on a serious note, I don't like screenshots unless it is backed up with facts [the same way that I do for Trump's pathetic record]. If what is stated is true, it is very alarming... I'll even give you a + Rep ;-)
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  9. #67
    There are only good faith positions on one side of the abortion debate.

    Moreover, on the pragmatic side, I would think big-brain political types would be able to see that the overturning of Roe is really the only reason Trump is going to collect the votes to sail back into the office (provided enough vote fraud can be prevented) in direct contravention of literally everything else the man did while in office, as pretty much everything else besides his SCOTUS nominees was in direct opposition of what pro-live voters want. How anyone would think national decriminalization of abortion is in the same solar system as a winning position is quite beyond me.
    WHAT THE F*** DID YOU THINK​ WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???

  10. #68
    I think we can safely say at this point the LP will never nominate another Ron Paul or Harry Browne. They lost their soul and have no intention of ever getting it back.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I think we can safely say at this point the LP will never nominate another Ron Paul or Harry Browne. They lost their soul and have no intention of ever getting it back.
    Sadly seems like the case.

    Dope, sodomy and foreign invasions are not a winning combination.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Who do you think Rand Paul will vote for?
    I honestly think he's going to vote for Kennedy, because I honestly think he really, really doesn't like the CIA.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    Trump doesn't best represent me, I won't be voting for him, I am like you I won't be voting at all.
    BUT I see the true political landscape in America, right now America has the choice between a drunken monkey that gets 50% of the things done that people want, and maybe couple more good supreme court judges, or the utter insane garbage of the left and a senile leader with super leftist activists judges on the supreme.

    I can see what Americans will pick, and why.
    Where's the logic in, oh, your third party nominated a complete turkey so now there's no such thing as an independent candidate at all?

    Trump started funding drag queen story hours. Trump started funding the invasion. Trump funded the massive medical experiment killing people. And you pop up back here trying to brainwash us into believing that the differences between him and Braindead Biden are more than an inch deep?

    You can't deprive us of the ability to choose Kennedy, and we have enough Trump salesmen crying about that fact already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not my people.
    No amount of denial will change the fact that the Trump 45 administration started funding it.

    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-28-2024 at 08:10 AM.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I honestly think he's going to vote for Kennedy, because I honestly think he really, really doesn't like the CIA.



    Where's the logic in, oh, your third party nominated a complete turkey so now there's no such thing as an independent candidate at all?

    Trump started funding drag queen story hours. Trump started funding the invasion. Trump funded the massive medical experiment killing people. And you pop up back here trying to brainwash us into believing that the differences between him and Braindead Biden are more than an inch deep?

    You can't deprive us of the ability to choose Kennedy, and we have enough Trump salesmen crying about that fact already.
    Congress funded those things by veto proof margins, Trump is going to put an end to them with impoundment.
    Letting Biden win is a sure way to make everything bad 100 times worse, there won't be a country left to fix in another 4 years of Biden.

    And RFK has a CIA asset running his campaign, so he's not the CIA hater candidate.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  14. #72
    Excises for Trump and lies about everyone else.

    It's so damned repetitive and boring. And treasonous.



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  17. #74
    Meanwhile Trump's de facto campaign manager is Susie Wiles...

    https://floridapolitics.com/archives...ublic-affairs/

    Susie has most recently been working for Mercury...

    https://www.mercuryllc.com/about/

    Which as you can see, brags about partnering with the Manhattan Institute, the Ford Foundation, Pfizer, and on and on.

  18. #75
    Welp... Looks like a write-in year for me... Again...
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    C'mon man!
    Look, fat, look. Here's the deal.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    Welp, looks like a hard no from me.

    The sad thing is that so many people were interested in third party candidates for the first time this year and then this guy wins the LP nomination.
    None shall escape. The Clown Show comes for all.

  21. #78
    So, with this guy securing the nomination, there will be a large number of small "l" libertarians that will seek other candidates. If they lean right, they'll probably vote for Trump. If they lean left, they'll stick with the LP candidate... or go to RFK... or go to Biden.

    So, Trump ended up winning the day with speaking at the LP convention. lol.

    The LP never fails to amuse... and disappoint.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  22. #79
    Was the fix in? Did this person win legitimately?

  23. #80
    I had never heard of Chase Oliver before this. He doesn't seem like the type of candidate the Mises Caucus would have backed. Has the surge of influence they won in the LP a few years ago fizzled out or something?
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So, Trump ended up winning the day with speaking at the LP convention. lol.
    Since that is an obviously predictable outcome, it's worth asking if that was the whole point.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Since that is an obviously predictable outcome, it's worth asking if that was the whole point.
    Well, I think the MC would have rather have won the nomination THEN push for further concessions.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Hell, this guy's a long fall from Bob Barr.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The leftarians are in charge, no coubt.
    Obviously the next president will come from the Republican or Democrat party.

    It seems to me the Libertarian Party really should focus on getting some concessions from the Republican Party in exchange for support. Demand even 1 thing that is realistic and attainable. Something tangible and verifiable. Maybe ending the Selective Service or something. Maybe the Balanced Budget Amendment. Otherwise the LP is just a novelty that accomplishes nothing.
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    https://x.com/ChaseForLiberty/status...85782863056897

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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Obviously the next president will come from the Republican or Democrat party.
    Support the GOP? Maybe libertarians would rather accomplish something. The next president will clearly be either the GOP's current favorite reliable lizard or the guy the DNC threw out of the party. Getting thrown out of either of those parties is a big selling point in my book, but especially when the DNC does it.

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    https://x.com/ChaseForLiberty/status...39606327640067

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Otherwise the LP is just a novelty that accomplishes nothing.
    Of course it won't.

    The Brownes and Pauls and Badnariks were anomalies.

    At the end of the day, it was not about liberty, but libertines, interested only in legal weed and butt sex.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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