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    Four post conviction polls at Real Clear Politics show Trump increasing his average lead

    On 2 June Trump's average lead was 0.6.

    Four new post conviction polls have been posted.

    His average lead now is 1.1 in a two man race.

    His lead in a five person race is 2.3 up from 1.8 last week.

    His "swing state" aggregate lead is 5.3

    Not all "swing states" have posted post conviction polls yet, but NC has.

    Trump shows the largest lead he has had so far in NC in polling ending 2 June, at 8 points.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
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    3 others show Trump losing the lead to Biden post conviction.


    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-biden-1907270

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    3 others show Trump losing the lead to Biden post conviction.

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-biden-1907270
    The Ipsos poll is included in the RCP average.

    The Echelon poll is not.

    And the Morning Consult poll ending 2 June, has Trump up by 1 so there was a two point swing from 30 May to 2 June.

    The most recent polling data ending 2 June, at RCP, has Trump up 1.1 as of Wed. 5 June 2024 at 0100 EDT

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...trump-vs-biden
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    Trump is smacking Biden with the number of first-time donors, which I think is a more accurate indicator than seeking polls that support one's world-view.

    Apparently being charged with felonies is not as unpopular with independents as some thought.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Trump is smacking Biden with the number of first-time donors, which I think is a more accurate indicator than seeking polls that support one's world-view.

    Apparently being charged with felonies is not as unpopular with independents as some thought.
    Because most people with any bit of common sense can see this was a sham trial. Others, lost in their delusion, continue to spew the MSM 24/7 propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Trump is smacking Biden with the number of first-time donors, which I think is a more accurate indicator than seeking polls that support one's world-view.

    Apparently being charged AND CONVICTEDwith felonies is not as unpopular with independents as some thought.
    I wouldn't go so far as to donate to his campaign, but I'm certainly leaning more and more to hoping that Trump wins. There are lots of policies we disagree on. I think he wants to control the power instead of reducing it. But I don't think the country can let the left get away with this. This is totally me right now...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I hate to say it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Ipsos poll is included in the RCP average.

    The Echelon poll is not.

    And the Morning Consult poll ending 2 June, has Trump up by 1 so there was a two point swing from 30 May to 2 June.

    The most recent polling data ending 2 June, at RCP, has Trump up 1.1 as of Wed. 5 June 2024 at 0100 EDT

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...trump-vs-biden
    It's all within the MOE so who knows what will happen?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    It's all within the MOE so who knows what will happen?
    Agreed...I have no idea what will happen.

    I'm just posting what RCP is showing,
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Because most people with any bit of common sense can see this was a sham trial. Others, lost in their delusion, continue to spew the MSM 24/7 propaganda.
    I along with a lot of others agree with you it was a sham trial, but also understand that Trump did do what he was accused of. He was prosecuted and convicted for political reasons. He's still a convicted felon now. He also was prosecuted for political reasons in the unfair loans case. He was guilty of that too. Lots of other people did both of these things and got away with it. That doesn't mean Trump isn't guilty. When he put himself out there as a controversial public figure, he opened himself to these political prosecutions. FWIW I think the E Jean Caroll case is crap, I don't find her believable. Trump scewed himself on that one by not mounting an effective defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I along with a lot of others agree with you it was a sham trial, but also understand that Trump did do what he was accused of. He was prosecuted and convicted for political reasons. He's still a convicted felon now. He also was prosecuted for political reasons in the unfair loans case. He was guilty of that too. Lots of other people did both of these things and got away with it. That doesn't mean Trump isn't guilty. When he put himself out there as a controversial public figure, he opened himself to these political prosecutions. FWIW I think the E Jean Caroll case is crap, I don't find her believable. Trump scewed himself on that one by not mounting an effective defense.
    He did not do what he was accused of, his lawyers and accountants did things.
    The things they did were not crimes.

    You're lying and you know you're lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Agreed...I have no idea what will happen.

    I'm just posting what RCP is showing,
    Well, the voting rules still favor the cheating... As long as the polls say a Biden victory is plausible, that's all they'll need.

    Drop boxes will still exist. "Early voting" for a month will still exist. Easy absentee ballots with lackluster verification will still exist. Censorship will still exist. And now political prosecutions exist, too. It's a lot to overcome.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Well, the voting rules still favor the cheating... As long as the polls say a Biden victory is plausible, that's all they'll need.

    Drop boxes will still exist. "Early voting" for a month will still exist. Easy absentee ballots with lackluster verification will still exist. Censorship will still exist. And now political prosecutions exist, too. It's a lot to overcome.
    Correct on all counts.

    Whatever happens, it can not be trusted because of that.

    So, now what do we do?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Well, the voting rules still favor the cheating... As long as the polls say a Biden victory is plausible, that's all they'll need.

    Drop boxes will still exist. "Early voting" for a month will still exist. Easy absentee ballots with lackluster verification will still exist. Censorship will still exist. And now political prosecutions exist, too. It's a lot to overcome.
    You still have a garbage economy and that wont be changing in fact that would make things worse for the Liberals.

    Remember Build Back Better? no one is believing that nonsense anymore expect for the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, now what do we do?
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll be watching Netflix and/or Hulu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Correct on all counts.

    Whatever happens, it can not be trusted because of that.

    So, now what do we do?
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    LOL - What a hero, we need 434 just like him.

    That's all any of us can do now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I wouldn't go so far as to donate to his campaign, but I'm certainly leaning more and more to hoping that Trump wins. There are lots of policies we disagree on. I think he wants to control the power instead of reducing it. But I don't think the country can let the left get away with this. This is totally me right now...
    Weird situation, ain't it?

    Do nothing, and it sends the message that this is totally fine and acceptable: If you're worried that you'll lose an election, just prosecute your opponent. This could just become the new normal.

    I think that's what doesn't sit well with these independent voters. And, I'm kinda relieved. It indicates that some folks out there, maybe, sort of, give a sh*t. Maybe it's a shame, to some folks, that Trump benefits from it, but, it is what it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I think that's what doesn't sit well with these independent voters. And, I'm kinda relieved. It indicates that some folks out there, maybe, sort of, give a sh*t. Maybe it's a shame, to some folks, that Trump benefits from it, but, it is what it is.
    21st Century Intolerable Acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    On 2 June Trump's average lead was 0.6.

    Four new post conviction polls have been posted.

    His average lead now is 1.1 in a two man race.

    His lead in a five person race is 2.3 up from 1.8 last week.

    His "swing state" aggregate lead is 5.3

    Not all "swing states" have posted post conviction polls yet, but NC has.

    Trump shows the largest lead he has had so far in NC in polling ending 2 June, at 8 points.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
    Even the Biden campaign now realizes this is backfiring.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...90#post7234290
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    21st Century Intolerable Acts.
    Without the 18th century patriots.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    21st Century Intolerable Acts.
    That.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Without the 18th century patriots.
    And that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Even the Biden campaign now realizes this is backfiring.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...90#post7234290
    LOL, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Because most people with any bit of common sense can see this was a sham trial. Others, lost in their delusion, continue to spew the MSM 24/7 propaganda.
    I could easily see how seething hatred of Trump could be molded by TPTB to get people to establish far-reaching precedents that won't be reversed.

    It seems to be working. I've seen people here on RPF say that Trump didn't effectively 'prove his innocence.' (That's not how it's supposed to work, guys). I mean, if you hate Trump so badly that you're letting it warp your understanding of the judicial process, I see that doing far more damage than someone who may or may not be president the next-go-round. (of course, Trump isn't the first to have to prove his innocence, but maybe it'll wake some folks up—expectations: low)
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 06-05-2024 at 09:16 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I could easily see how seething hatred of Trump could be molded by TPTB to get people to establish far-reaching precedents that won't be reversed.
    Love of Trump can be molded the exact same way. They're playing both ends against the middle in their desperation to keep people believing that there's a difference between those two Parties that matters.

    They're creating desperate times to get people to go for their desperate measures. Problem -> reaction -> solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Love of Trump can be molded the exact same way. They're playing both ends against the middle in their desperation to keep people believing that there's a difference between those two Parties that matters.

    They're creating desperate times to get people to go for their desperate measures. Problem -> reaction -> solution.
    Weird situation. Do nothing, and it conveys that this is okay. Then we just sit in silence and OD on black pills, I guess. I don't particularly care for that 'plan' either.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Weird situation. Do nothing, and it conveys that this is okay. Then we just sit in silence and OD on black pills, I guess. I don't particularly care for that 'plan' either.
    There are other options. All we have to do is turn away from the simple, prepackaged options they're shoving down our throats and go off their script.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There are other options. All we have to do is turn away from the simple, prepackaged options they're shoving down our throats and go off their script.
    The only other option even in the same galaxy as a chance to win is RFKommie who is as bad or worse than Brandon.
    And RFKommie has something like 0.00001% chance to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Love of Trump can be molded the exact same way. They're playing both ends against the middle in their desperation to keep people believing that there's a difference between those two Parties that matters.

    They're creating desperate times to get people to go for their desperate measures. Problem -> reaction -> solution.
    Nonsense.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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