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    Rand waiting on Trump to support liberty issues and candidates more

    KY Sen. Rand Paul withholding Trump endorsement as top consultant works for RFK Jr.

    BY DAVID CATANESE
    MAY 29, 2024

    As Donald Trump bulldozed his way to another apparent Republican presidential nomination earlier this year, considerable intrigue centered around whether Sen. Mitch McConnell would offer his public blessing to his on-again, off-again nemesis.

    Now, nearing five months from Election Day, itís Rand Paul, Kentuckyís junior senator, who is stiff-arming his partyís 2024 presumptive GOP nominee.

    Close to three months after McConnell announced his support for Trump, Paul still hasnít gotten aboard the Trump train. A Paul adviser says the senator needs to see more from Trump first.

    ďRand will continue to consider endorsing, but it will be when and if he sees President Trump going more in on liberty issues and candidates,Ē the Paul adviser told The Herald-Leader. ďItís not about getting his endorsement, itís about being boldly able to speak to liberty voters on issues.Ē

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    https://www.kentucky.com/news/politi...288832545.html
    https://archive.is/lK2U5



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  4. #3
    another one

    Rand Paul’s friendship with RFK Jr. may threaten his promised endorsement of Trump

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mp/ar-BB1nhgrs
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    Good for Rand.

    But, is that a threat, so that Trump will say what he wants him to hear, until Trump (D-Opportunist) changes his mind again after he is elected?

    Does Rand know anything about Trump's plan to Federalize "Stop and Frisk" and Federally BAN stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    another one

    Rand Paul’s friendship with RFK Jr. may threaten his promised endorsement of Trump

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mp/ar-BB1nhgrs
    Makes sense. Rand's biggest issue and battle of the past several years has been against Fauci.

    No doubt Trump will do nothing on Rand's biggest issue.

    Maybe RFK Jr would.

    The two appear to be strongly linked in their vaccine opinions, and Paul posted more about Kennedy than Trump on X in April, with a few posts showing his admiration.

    Paul agreed with Kennedy’s challenge of the TikTok ban.

    And he also seemingly agreed with Kennedy’s negative stance toward U.S. involvement in Ukraine.

    But one key statement from Paul further indicates his preference for president could be murky. He posted about his appearance on Kennedy’s podcast, in which the pair talked extensively about COVID-19, the vaccine, and former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci.
    Reason number 2, Trump has not announced his VP pick. How could Rand endorse Trump if he chooses a hardcore neocon like Nikki Haley or Tom Cotton?

    In another post detailing his opinions of presidential candidates in January, Paul said “there’s a lot to like there” about Trump, that he was a “big fan” of the fiscal conservatism Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) exhibited, and mentioned Vivek Ramaswamy and Kennedy. The only stance he took in the post was his condemnation of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, calling himself “never Nikki.”
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    If only Rand was able to get Trump on board with liberty issues 8 years ago.
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    Rand didnt and doesnt need to endorse anyone
    Do something Danke

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Rand didnt and doesnt need to endorse anyone
    And he might not. And if he doesn't, I don't know if we can really assume that's an endorsement of RFKJr. But it would certainly be a condemnation of Trump. Just because party politics.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And he might not. And if he doesn't, I don't know if we can really assume that's an endorsement of RFKJr. But it would certainly be a condemnation of Trump. Just because party politics.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    No endorsement is not a condemnation of anyone.
    It is when it's the presidential candidate of your own party.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It is when it's the presidential candidate of your own party.
    No, it's not.
    A condemnation is a condemnation.
    Silence is silence and could be for many reasons.
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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    If only Rand was able to get Trump on board with liberty issues 8 years ago.
    He was, for like 5 minutes, until Trump went and talked to the next guy in line who got his ear.
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  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, it's not.
    A condemnation is a condemnation.
    Silence is silence and could be for many reasons.
    There's that double standard hard at work again.

  16. #14
    He wants Trump to support liberty issues and candidates more??!

    Trump is already by far the super libertariatist president of all time how can he be "more"
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    ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Speaking of Bob Good...


    https://x.com/KelleyAshbyPaul/status...98112846204969
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    No endorsement is not a condemnation of anyone.
    If a sitting US Senator refrains from endorsing his own party's nominee for president in a general election, that is a condemnation.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    He wants Trump to support liberty issues and candidates more??!

    Trump is already by far the super libertariatist president of all time how can he be "more"
    I can think of some ways.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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    He's making what sounds like an offer. Is Trump willing to release all records on covid and the jab?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Maria Bartiromo with Rand Paul on Upcoming Fauci Testimony


  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    If a sitting US Senator refrains from endorsing his own party's nominee for president in a general election, that is a condemnation.
    No, it is only a guess.
    And there is plenty of time left in which he will endorse.
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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, it is only a guess.
    And there is plenty of time left in which he will endorse.
    I agree with the last part. I anticipate Rand endorsing Trump eventually. My statement was just a hypothetical, but it's still true.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    ...
    I support Rand Paul 100% in giving trump the middle finger by supporting Good. Good is one of the few solid conservatives in congress and trump is a POS who demands 100% subservience.

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    Scoop: Rand Paul's brewing fight with Trumpworld

    Stef W. Kight
    Jun 2, 2024

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) questioned former President Trump's commitment to slashing government spending in a heated exchange with top Trump ally Russell Vought during a recent closed-door meeting, Axios has learned.

    Why it matters: Paul is among a dwindling number of Republicans who've refused to publicly back the former president as the party's 2024 nominee. And those in Trump's orbit are getting antsy.

    • "There's a growing sentiment in Trumpworld that Rand can't be trusted, and it's a great disappointment," Trump ally and consultant Alex Bruesewitz told Axios.


    Driving the news: Paul grilled Vought on May 22 over the Trump administration's massive spending, comparing it to Democratic administrations, according to two sources familiar with what was said in the lunch.

    • Paul said Trump's team had "no credibility" on spending, one source said.

    • During the lunch, Vought urged Republicans to kick back this year's government funding fight to 2025 ó in part to allow a potential future Trump administration to use the process to slash funding, as Axios reported.

    ...
    https://www.axios.com/2024/06/02/ran...-2024-election

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    Spending would be the hill to die on with Trump.
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    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) listed a set of standards former President Donald Trump has to meet before he takes an active role and endorses the presumptive GOP nominee.
    “When we have agreed, I’ve been very supportive. When we have disagreed, I’ve also disagreed with him,” Paul said in an interview with Spectrum News.
    Before Paul can endorse Trump, the latter needs to be more outspoken on issues the Kentucky senator deems critical, he said.
    “I think that it’s important that if he wants to get my vote and my support, wants me to be more active in this, that he’s gonna have to be more vocal on things like the lockdowns that I opposed, like the civil liberties abuses that I opposed, like the debt, which frankly has been bad under Republicans and Democrats,” according to Paul.
    “So, I’m looking for a little bit more before I make a final decision.”


    Paul did, however, appear to affirm his support for Trump in the 2024 presidential election.

    “I’m supportive of Donald Trump,” he said. “But whether or not I take an active role, endorse, go out and campaign for him is something that’s yet to be determined.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...p-endorsement/

    RFKommie isn't getting his support, cry harder.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Dr. Rand Paul Joins Kudlow to Discuss the Border



    Rand Paul discusses the border and a potential endorsement of Donald Trump.
    At the four minute mark, "Goldilocks" Kudlow tries to nudge Rand about endorsing Trump. He probably regretted that by the end...
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  30. #26
    What are the RINO politicians giving to Trump in exchange for Trump endorsing them?

    Will they be helping to ensure more "fair" elections in their states this time around?

    What can Rand get for his endorsement?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  31. #27
    I don’t blame Rand a bit. Trump needs to be more than just better than traitorous Joe. Trump needs to take a stance. Is he going to expose what happened during Covid? Is he going to appoint another warmongering ex-CIA chief or a fellow traveler of neocon John Bolton to advise him on foreign policy? Is he going to further increase the national debt, or do something to reduce it?

    Yes, I still believe he is light years better than Biden, but if we don’t start going the other direction soon, we can kiss our liberty goodbye. It may already be too late.
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