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    Trump Endorses the Swamp


    https://x.com/RMConservative/status/1795442836474655097

    Edit: Another example -

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/mkibbe/status/1767286073158234319
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 05-30-2024 at 11:35 AM.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Daniel Horowitz @RMConservative

    I just don't know what to say anymore. So not only does Trump endorse every single RINO for federal office - so much so that we have failed to knock off a single incumbent. Now he is reaching over into the legislatures, our last vestige of hope, and supporting the most liberal Republicans imaginable.

    South Carolina is ground zero for the future of any party that has any semblance of any America First priorities, thanks to the South Carolina Freedom Caucus. They have worked hard to challenge these guys, and now Trump is carpet bombing them. He is endorsing every single rino who has a challenger.

    Everyone knows this is a problem, but I'm the only one who has the guts to call it out. This will continue happening if you dont voice your displeasure with his endorsement.

    How can you ever drain the swamp if you clog the drain at every opportunity?

    Stop making this personal and actually start believing in the things you espouse and demand results.
    https://x.com/RMConservative/status/1792547961785790768
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/mkibbe/status/1767286073158234319
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trump
    HE KNOWS HOW TO WIN!
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-28-2024 at 11:35 AM.

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    It's cool, he's going to appoint one conservative to his cabinet
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    I'm not worried. I am certain that @Swordsmyth will explain everything.

    Until then, mises.org and tomwoods.com are good places to waste some time... you know, just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I'm not worried. I am certain that @Swordsmyth will explain everything.

    Until then, mises.org and tomwoods.com are good places to waste some time... you know, just in case.
    He will... You see Trump NEEDS to endorse the swamp to keep them off his back until he gets in there! But don't worry, once he's in there, he'll defend the swamp because if he doesn't they'll work against him. But don't worry, once they can't work against him, he'll get rid of them all! At least after his next re-election has been secured! And then, you'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I'm not worried. I am certain that @Swordsmyth will explain everything.
    Allow me. Rand endorsed McConnell and in kind McConnell endorsed Rand. Endorsements are a political game. You already hate Trump and don't want him to win so why do you care who he endorses? If Trump did endorse Bob Good you would probably call Bob an ass kisser maga loser.

    I don't see much history on John McGuire to call him a RINO and he only entered state politics in 2017, so how is he a part of the swamp??? He served 10 years as a Navy Seal which is commendable. If someone from Virginia has more info on him, do share.

    Likewise, Bob Good has been pretty close to Trump on all issues so do you hate him too? Or does this forum suddenly like him because Trump doesn't? Peak TDS.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Allow me. Rand endorsed McConnell and in kind McConnell endorsed Rand.
    Who was running against McConnell in the primary? Anyone good? Whoa, nobody at all. Hmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Peak TDS.
    You don't need to brag about it. We know it when we see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Allow me. Rand endorsed McConnell and in kind McConnell endorsed Rand. Endorsements are a political game. You already hate Trump and don't want him to win so why do you care who he endorses? If Trump did endorse Bob Good you would probably call Bob an ass kisser maga loser.

    I don't see much history on John McGuire to call him a RINO and he only entered state politics in 2017, so how is he a part of the swamp??? He served 10 years as a Navy Seal which is commendable. If someone from Virginia has more info on him, do share.

    Likewise, Bob Good has been pretty close to Trump on all issues so do you hate him too? Or does this forum suddenly like him because Trump doesn't? Peak TDS.

    What are your thoughts about Trump not mentioning tax-dollars funding NGOs, or fails to mention that we should be defunding them, but instead offers a "solution" of federalizing local LEO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    What are your thoughts about Trump not mentioning tax-dollars funding NGOs, or fails to mention that we should be defunding them, but instead offers a "solution" of federalizing local LEO?
    Maintaining TDS isn't that easy. You have to learn not to think about things that one does not think about.

    https://clip.cafe/inherit-the-wind-1...t-think-about/

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    Trump has a horrible record of endorsements.

    At the end of the day he is a moderate guy that wants to largely maintain the broken system, but just wants to make it work better.

    I wish he put together a great team of people to sift through candidates and really focused on getting rid of establishment goons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Maintaining TDS isn't that easy. You have to learn not to think about things that one does not think about.

    https://clip.cafe/inherit-the-wind-1...t-think-about/
    It's been a while and he still hasn't responded to that one simple question. I wonder if the wires in his brain are short-circuiting lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Trump has a horrible record of endorsements.

    At the end of the day he is a moderate guy that wants to largely maintain the broken system, but just wants to make it work better.

    I wish he put together a great team of people to sift through candidates and really focused on getting rid of establishment goons.
    Why would an establishment goon be motivated to get rid of establishment goons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why would an establishment goon be motivated to get rid of establishment goons?
    Too make me happy and make my wish come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Too make me happy and make my wish come true.
    Bribe him more, then. He responds well to that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Trump has a horrible record of endorsements.

    At the end of the day he is a moderate guy that wants to largely maintain the broken system, but just wants to make it work better.

    I wish he put together a great team of people to sift through candidates and really focused on getting rid of establishment goons.

    By federalizing local LEO? Not to mention that he now blames Biden for his own Operation Warp Speed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Trump has a horrible record of endorsements.
    Rand Paul, on the other hand, tends to show some discretion when there's some real competition in the race.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...44#post7232644

    His failure to do so has become a source of frustration in Trump’s orbit and among Republican leaders pushing for a unified party ahead of November’s election, according to conversations with multiple senior GOP officials.

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    Yet another piece of evidence that shows that Trump is not a serious candidate.
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    The likely VP

    https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status...95026795200880

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Trump has a horrible record of endorsements.

    At the end of the day he is a moderate guy that wants to largely maintain the broken system, but just wants to make it work better.

    I wish he put together a great team of people to sift through candidates and really focused on getting rid of establishment goons.
    Unfortunately, this is evidence that Trump didn't learn a single thing from his first term. As a matter of fact, he has probably gotten worse, as he feels his future is best served by serving the swamp.

    During his first Admin, he basically did the bidding of McConnell and McCarthy. Now, he appears to be doing the bidding of McConnell and Johnson. Who are his advisers? Hard to say. It used to be the last person to have his ear. Who has his ear now?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The likely VP

    https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status...95026795200880

    Another GOP VP picked by Bill Kristol, a traditional since Dan Quayle...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Yet another piece of evidence that shows that Trump is not a serious candidate.
    Noone has explained why Jim Maguire is bad or why Bob Good is better. Seems like no one on this forum cared about this primary or Bob until Trump didn't endorse him. But Bob has endorsed Trump and loves Trump, was recently in NYC to pledge his loyalty to Trump. If you like Bob and Bob loves Trump, do you love Trump?
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Noone has explained why Jim Maguire is bad or why Bob Good is better. Seems like no one on this forum cared about this primary or Bob until Trump didn't endorse him. But Bob has endorsed Trump and loves Trump, was recently in NYC to pledge his loyalty to Trump. If you like Bob and Bob loves Trump, do you love Trump?
    Good is a member of the Freedom Caucus, who has stood against the Swamp as a minority against the GOP RINOs and neocons, and the Democrats.

    Thus Trump has been instructed to go against him. Can't have those uppity Freedom Caucus members causing problems during the Trump regime.

    Feel free to check out the following thread for Good vs. bad votes:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...onal-Scorecard
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 05-28-2024 at 11:26 PM.
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The likely VP

    https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status...95026795200880

    0% chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    0% chance.
    LOL

    How many Pence do you want to bet?

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    Trump would sell the statue of liberty if they gave him enough 000's in his bank account.

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    I can't believe Trump would do this. It's not like he has ever endorsed based on how much love or criticism he receives. This has completely come out of nowhere. Frankly, I'm shocked and disappointed that he has this in him. People have said this about him since 2015, but there was absolutely zero evidence to back this up until now.

    Surely no one on Twitter would use this as rage bait and engagement farming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Unfortunately, this is evidence that Trump didn't learn a single thing from his first term. As a matter of fact, he has probably gotten worse, as he feels his future is best served by serving the swamp.

    During his first Admin, he basically did the bidding of McConnell and McCarthy. Now, he appears to be doing the bidding of McConnell and Johnson. Who are his advisers? Hard to say. It used to be the last person to have his ear. Who has his ear now?
    I think Trump learned much over the last 8 years. We all have learned that the whole system is much more corrupt than we ever imagined. I think Trump just always sees the world in terms of making deals to get things done. There is a certain logic to there that deserves credit, as he actually did get elected president. While I was pulling for Rand Paul, Trump blasted right past him and got the win.

    As to his advisors, I think he always likes to hear different points of view before making is decisions. There certainly is value to that, rather than just being surrounded by YES men. I just wish he had some "no matter what" principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I think Trump learned much over the last 8 years. We all have learned that the whole system is much more corrupt than we ever imagined. I Trump just always sees the world in terms of making deals to get things done.
    Well apparently he's so dense that even after all that partisan lawfare he still doesn't get it. Either that, or he loves it and wants to be put in charge of it again. Because he not only has no intention of draining the swamp, he's planning on growing the swamp until it's micromismanaging every one of us nationwide.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post

    By Ronald Brownstein
    May 25, 2024




    Four years after George Floyd’s death, Trump wants to reverse the fitful progress toward police reform.

    Even as Donald Trump relies on unprecedented support from Black and Latino voters, he is embracing policies that would expose their communities to much greater police surveillance and enforcement. The policies that Trump is pledging to implement around crime and policing in a second presidential term would reverse the broad trend of police reform that accelerated after the murder of George Floyd, four years ago today.

    The magnitude of Trump’s plans on policing and crime has drawn little attention in the presidential race so far. But on virtually every front, Trump proposes to use Federal influence to reverse the efforts toward police reform that have gained ground over roughly the past decade, and especially since Floyd’s murder by the Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin in 2020 spurred the largest nationwide protests since the 1960s. “We will give our police back their power and their respect,” Trump declared in his appearance at the National Rifle Association convention last weekend.

    In a campaign video last year, Trump laid out a sweeping second-term agenda on crime and policing. He promised “a record investment” in Federal Funds to help cities hire and train more police. He said he would require local law-enforcement agencies receiving Federal grants to implement an array of hard-line “proven policing measures” including “Stop-and-Frisk, strictly enforcing existing gun laws, cracking down on the open use of illegal drugs,” and cooperating with federal immigration agencies “to arrest and deport criminal aliens.”

    .

    Perhaps most dramatically, Trump has indicated that he will dispatch the National Guard and other Federal Law-Enforcement personnel “to restore law and order” in cities where “local law enforcement refuses to act”. Trump, in fact, has said on multiple occasions that one of his biggest regrets from his first term is that he deferred to city officials, who resisted his calls to deploy the National Guard or other Federal Law-Enforcement forces onto their streets.

    .

    Trump’s most frequent promise has been his pledge “to indemnify all police officers and law-enforcement officials".

    Exactly how Trump, at the federal level, could provide more legal protection to police officers is unclear. Experts point out that police officers already are shielded by the doctrine of “qualified immunity” against litigation, which the Supreme Court has upheld in multiple cases. Even in cases where law-enforcement agencies admit to misconduct, the damages are virtually always paid by the city, not the individual police officer.

    Some states and local governments have since moved to weaken qualified immunity as a defense in state courts. Trump appears to envision passing national legislation that codifies broad protection for police and preempts any state effort to retrench it.

    Trump could also face problems precisely defining the policing tactics he wants to require local officials to adopt as a condition for receiving federal law-enforcement grants. Trump, for instance, has repeatedly praised the Stop-and-Frisk program launched in New York City by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Under that program, the New York Police Department stopped large numbers of people—many of them young Black and Latino men—and claimed to be searching for drugs or guns. But eventually a federal district judge declared that the program violated the Constitution’s protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as well as its guarantee of equal protection, and the city later abandoned the tactic.

    Lopez, now a professor at Georgetown University Law School, says that Trump can’t order other police departments to precisely replicate the aggressive Stop-and-Frisk practices from New York City that have been found unconstitutional. But, she says, tying Federal Aid to Stop-and-Frisk and the other hard-line policies Trump is promoting could nonetheless exert a powerful signaling effect on local law enforcement.

    “At the federal level, you can use your influence, your dollars, your training to encourage practices that are more or less alienating to communities,” she told me. Trump’s touting of Stop-and-Frisk, Lopez added, is “a signal that his administration is going to really promote some of the most aggressive, alienating practices that police departments have partaken in”.

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    Full article:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-crime/678502/

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