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    FL-Sheriffs respond to wrong apt. - gun down black AF serviceman

    @jmdrake

    https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/statu...70991851557337

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 05-09-2024 at 09:05 PM.
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    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    AF beat me to it. I just came to post this:

    BODYCAM: Shows 23YO Airman Killed Over Nothing | BAD SHOOT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JykpgYNHW28
    {The Civil Rights Lawyer | 09 May 2024}



    Bodycam video shows Florida deputy shoot, kill Air Force Airman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKLxdAnhXSM
    {WEAR Channel 3 News | 09 May 2024}

    The Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office released bodycam video Thursday showing the fatal officer-involved shooting of 23-year-old Air Force Airman Roger Fortson.

    READ: https://weartv.com/news/local/bodyca...r-force-airman


    Apparently, this is the same department (Okaloosa County Sheriff) responsible for the "acorn" incident.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 05-09-2024 at 09:49 PM.
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    Took longer for this to happen than I had anticipated. It's been about 23 years since 9/11. The only headline that is powerful enough to cause the meatheaded moron-energy behind the post-9/11 tyranny to stop and THINK about what they're doing, is when a servicemember gets killed. That is the only thing that has any chance of making them stop and think. And now here we are. 23 years is a long run, and much longer than I thought this ride would last. But no matter how precise the sniper-shot made by those who have been claiming these past 23 years that "WE NEVER MISS".... sooner or later, a miss was INEVITABLE. Sadly, that miss has come in the form of an innocent servicemember being gunned down for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. And I will just assume the police were just "following procedures". Do you see the sick tragedy of the whole situation? One group of men literally "following procedure" as they were trained in cop-school, point-for-point, shooting an innocent servicemember. This is the contradiction that was baked into the post-9/11 tyranny from day one, and this tragedy was absolutely inevitable. I will grant that the cocksure, oracular tyrants who architected the post-9/11 tyranny are a much better sniper-shot than I thought they were. But they aren't perfect, and only absolute divine perfection would be sufficient to justify the architecture of tyranny that they built.

    TEAR IT ALL DOWN, IMMEDIATELY. There is nothing stopping us from waking up from this "what if we had Orwells 1984 in America"-nightmare THIS VERY INSTANT. NOTHING STOPPING US! Wake up, America! Stop going along with the never-ending ritual of child-sacrifice called "the Military-Industrial Complex". STOP fetishizing the security-production industry. They're literally just security guards. I don't mean to take away one iota of the nobility of service, I know why people honor it, and the reasons for which it is honored are good reasons. But the Neocons gamed and hijacked our natural patriotic sentiment. They literally sat down in a smoke-filled backroom sometime in the 1990's and they war-gamed this $#@! out, to the uttermost degree. They played every variation of "if they go there, we go here, but if they go here, then we go there" through the exponentially branching paths of all the ways that the American public might try to throw off the shackles of post-9/11 tyranny. They are demons straight from the pit of hell, nothing else! So, they took your own patriotic sentiment, and they war-gamed that to twist you up in pretzels to sign away your frickin right to writ of habeas corpus, a 1,000 year old right of Western jurisprudence that so far predates the Constitution that the Founding Fathers didn't even think it needed to be mentioned any more than they should need to define that water is actually wet!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @jmdrake

    https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/statu...70991851557337

    Damn! Rand submitted a bill to encourage states to pass laws discouraging no knock raids. But of course the Democrats didn't pass it because....reasons. And yes I put the fault of that on the Democrats. Only a handful of Republicans would be needed to push such legislation through if Dems would get behind it. Same for Tim Scott's prison reform bill. There was a thread the other day (forget the name of it) where there was a video with a lawyer explaining how the cops kicked in and flash banged the wrong house and thankfully nobody died but the federal court found that there mistake was "reasonable" simply based on this stupid idea that no cop had been found liable for that particular mistake before. SMH.
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    damn, whats the score now?

    they is kickin our ass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Rand submitted a bill to encourage states to pass laws discouraging no knock raids.
    Unfortunately, that wouldn't have helped in this case, because it wasn't a "no-knock raid" - it was just one cop responding to a "Karen call" (i.e., no criminal activity was alleged by the complainant), and the cop did knock first (albeit at the wrong door).

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There was a thread the other day (forget the name of it) where there was a video with a lawyer explaining how the cops kicked in and flash banged the wrong house and thankfully nobody died but the federal court found that there mistake was "reasonable" simply based on this stupid idea that no cop had been found liable for that particular mistake before. SMH.
    This might be what you are referring to (from the "Trump demands immunity for police" thread):

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [...]

    More "qualified immunity" shenanigans (and in this case, there already is "clearly established" case law, and it still didn't matter to these clowns in gowns):

    SWAT Raid on 'WRONG HOUSE!' Dragging Through the Courts
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9og5O8S1Q
    {Steve Lehto | 05 May 2024}

    And very well could end up in the Supreme Court.


    @ 1:14: "... the 5thc Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a SWAT commander couldn't have known that he had to make sure he had the correct house before ordering a raid on a house."

    @ 3:55: "... the lieutenant [...] admits that his raid violated the 4th Amendment rights of [the family, yet] a three-judge panel of the 5th Circuit still held that he's immune from accountability."

    @ 7:03: "The panel's decision departs from previous 5th Circuit precedent and four other circuit courts that have ruled that [Maryland v.] Garrison, a Supreme Court case, is the law of the land and should be followed."

    And yet ...

    Trump demands [more ?] immunity for police
    And here's another recent & relevant thread:

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    There's about a 99% chance that if you shot six holes in any Air Force property, you would be charged with some sort of federal crime.

    No such chance when you ventilate one of their biological units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Unfortunately, that wouldn't have helped in this case, because it wasn't a "no-knock raid" - it was just one cop responding to a "Karen call" (i.e., no criminal activity was alleged by the complainant), and the cop did knock first (albeit at the wrong door).



    This might be what you are referring to (from the "Trump demands immunity for police" thread):



    And here's another recent & relevant thread:
    Whatever happened to the police waiting patiently outside and saying "This is the police! We have you surrounded. Come out with your hands up."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Whatever happened to the police waiting patiently outside and saying "This is the police! We have you surrounded. Come out with your hands up."
    That certainly would have worked better than what they did.

    Hell, even this famous tactic would have worked better for the poor guy than opening his door.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Whatever happened to the police waiting patiently outside and saying "This is the police! We have you surrounded. Come out with your hands up."
    I guess you don't get to do as much hut-hut-ing around in tacticool gear while playing with MRAPs & flash-bangs that way.

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    RELATED: Cop training seminar exposed on video

    Just Don't Open the Door! | It's Probably the Police
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    Florida sheriff’s office fires deputy who fatally shot airman at home
    https://apnews.com/article/airman-sh...0f35ba86ec531b
    {Terry Spencer | 01 June 2024}

    A Florida Panhandle sheriff on Friday fired a deputy who fatally shot an airman at his home while holding a handgun pointed to the ground, saying the deputy’s life was never in danger and he should not have fired his weapon.

    Okaloosa County Sheriff Eric Aden fired Deputy Eddie Duran, who fatally shot Senior Airman Roger Fortson on May 3 after responding to a domestic violence call and being directed to Fortson’s apartment.

    Duran shot Fortson, 23, multiple times two seconds after he opened his door. Fortson was holding his legally owned gun in his right hand, body camera video shows. It was pointed directly at the ground. Fortson was Black. Duran, 39, listed himself as Hispanic on his voter registration.

    A sheriff’s internal affairs investigation released Friday concluded that, “Mr. Fortson did not make any hostile, attacking movements, and therefore, the former deputy’s use of deadly force was not objectively reasonable.” Outside law enforcement experts have also said that an officer cannot shoot only because a possible suspect is holding a gun if there is no threat.

    “This tragic incident should have never occurred,” Aden said in the statement. “The objective facts do not support the use of deadly force as an appropriate response to Mr. Fortson’s actions. Mr. Fortson did not commit any crime. By all accounts, he was an exceptional airman and individual.”

    No criminal charges have been filed, but a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation is ongoing.

    Duran did not return a voicemail left at a number listed to him. Email and phone messages seeking comment from his attorney John Whitaker were not immediately returned.

    According to the internal affairs report, Duran told investigators that when Fortson opened the door, he saw aggression in the airman’s eyes. He said he fired because, “I’m standing there thinking I’m about to get shot, I’m about to die.”

    “It is him or me at this point and I need to, I need to act as opposed to react,” he told investigators.

    Attorney Ben Crump, who is representing Fortson’s family, said in a statement that Duran’s firing “is a step forward, but it is not full justice for Roger and his family.”

    “The actions of this deputy were not just negligent, they were criminal,” Crump said.

    Sabu Williams, president of the Okaloosa County NAACP, applauded Aden’s action.

    “We appreciate what the internal investigation has shown and what the sheriff has done to this point,” Williams told The Associated Press. “We don’t think this is the end of it, obviously.”

    He said the NAACP has a good relationship with the Republican sheriff.

    “Some of us may have wanted things to happen a lot quicker, but I know due diligence has to take place,” Williams said.

    Duran is a law enforcement veteran, his career beginning as a military police officer in the Army. He was hired by an Oklahoma police department in 2015 after his military discharge. He Joined the Okaloosa County sheriff’s office in July 2019, but resigned two years later. He rejoined the sheriff’s office 11 months ago.

    The apartment complex where Fortson lived is about 8 miles (13 kilometers) from Hurlburt Field, where Fortson was assigned to the 4th Special Operations Squadron as a special missions aviator serving on an AC-130J Ghostrider gunship. One of his roles was to load the plane’s 30mm and 105mm cannons during battles. He earned an Air Medal with combat device, which is typically awarded after 20 flights in a combat zone or for conspicuous valor or achievement on a single mission.

    The events leading to the shooting began shortly after 4 p.m. on May 3 when a tenant who lived near Fortson in Fort Walton Beach’s Elan Apartments called the management office to say she heard what sounded like an argument coming from his apartment.

    The woman, whose name has not been released, told investigators after the shooting she believed Fortson was in a relationship because she often heard a woman’s voice coming from the apartment. She said she had heard previous arguments, but none like the one that Friday afternoon.

    “Before it was just, usually banter back and forth,” she told investigators. “Nothing was ever to the extent it was on (May 3).” She also thought a child was present.

    But Fortson, who had no criminal record, lived alone and had no guests that afternoon. He was on a video call with his girlfriend, who told investigators they had not been arguing. She said Fortson was playing a video game.

    An apartment complex manager called the sheriff’s office at 4:24 p.m. and Duran arrived three minutes later. He met the manager in the parking lot and she directed him to Fortson’s fourth-floor apartment, telling him there are frequent arguments, body camera video shows.

    However, 911 records show deputies had never been called to Fortson’s apartment previously but they had been called to a nearby unit 10 times in the previous eight months, including once for a domestic disturbance.

    When Duran arrived outside Fortson’s door, he stood silently for 20 seconds outside and listened, but no voices inside are heard on his body camera.

    He then pounded on the door, but didn’t identify himself. He then moved to the side of the door, about 5 feet away (1.5 meters). He told investigators he feared that the person inside might fire through the door or open the door and push him over the rail and to the ground about 40 feet (12 meters) below.

    He waited 15 seconds before pounding on the door again. This time he yelled, “Sheriff’s office — open the door!” He again moved to the side. A muffled voice can be heard on the video — Duran said he heard someone cursing at the police.

    Less then 10 seconds later, Duran moved back in front of the door and pounded again, announcing himself once more.

    Fortson’s girlfriend told investigators that the airman asked who was there but did not get a response. She said Fortson told her he was not going to answer the door because no one comes to his apartment. She said neither of them heard the deputy yell that he was with the sheriff’s office.

    After the third knock, she said Fortson told her, “I’m gonna go grab my gun because I don’t know who that is.”

    When Fortson opened the door holding his gun, Duran said “Step back,” and then immediately began firing. Fortson fell backward onto the floor.

    Only then did the deputy yell, “Drop the gun!”

    Fortson replied, “It’s over there.”

    The deputy called for paramedics, but Fortson died a short time later at the hospital.

    When other deputies arrived, Duran walked into the breezeway outside the unit and struck a wall with his right fist, the internal affairs report said.

    “F-—,” he yelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Florida sheriff’s office fires deputy who fatally shot airman at home
    https://apnews.com/article/airman-sh...0f35ba86ec531b
    {Terry Spencer | 01 June 2024}

    [...]

    A sheriff’s internal affairs investigation released Friday concluded that, “Mr. Fortson did not make any hostile, attacking movements, and therefore, the former deputy’s use of deadly force was not objectively reasonable.” Outside law enforcement experts have also said that an officer cannot shoot only because a possible suspect is holding a gun if there is no threat.

    [...]
    https://x.com/policelawnews/status/1796694163037298885


    TFW you have to copsplain things to cops:

    https://x.com/gunpolicy/status/1796927395817030107

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    Damn! I hope all the Officers are OK
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    Fast forward a couple years and fired deputy sues and wins to get his job back with back pay for wrongful termination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Fast forward a couple years and fired deputy sues and wins to get his job back with back pay for wrongful termination.
    I mean, the dude he shot was carrying a gun. Like, an actual gun. Not even a remote control, or vague black object, but a gun. What was he supposed to do? Not shoot him? He could have gotten shot!! By a gun!!!

    Any police department in the country would love to have this brave hero.
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    Roger Fortson's mother calls for fired sheriff's deputy who killed him to be charged

    The mother of an Air Force senior airman who was fatally shot in his home last month by a Florida deputy said she and her family will not be appeased by the firing of the deputy and demanded that he be criminally charged.

    “I want justice for my child,” Roger Fortson’s mother, Chantemekki Fortson, said at a news conference Monday, days after Eddie Duran was fired by the Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office. “You’re not going to throw me a bone. Take his credentials. Bring up charges against him.”
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