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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    TDS on display?
    ...
    That was just one aspect of it. Every point he tried to make could be easily dismantled logically. And saying don't criticize the Covid vax and people who promoted or took it, because it might stop them from voting Libertarian? In the words of Joe Biden, come on man!
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That was just one aspect of it. Every point he tried to make could be easily dismantled logically. And saying don't criticize the Covid vax and people who promoted or took it, because it might stop them from voting Libertarian? In the words of Joe Biden, come on man!
    Yeah, that part was insane! (along with other parts). I mean, there has to be at least one party that wants to hold people accountable. He tries to claim the mantle of libertarian principles, but those principles were completely trashed with no accountability and he doesn't want to offend people?!
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  4. #93
    A good discussion on Trump speaking at the Libertarian Convention.

    Features various LP members including LNC Chair Angela McArdle and Presidential candidate Michael Rectenwald, also John Dennis and Matt Gaetz...


    https://twitter.com/BerryRazi/status...72611485053419
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Believe what you want.

    They're real.

    Not sightly unbelievable.

    If Trump says we need to end all foreign welfare, including to Izrael, that's something you should question.
    Can you post a link to them? I tried to find these quotes and all I could find was copies of the same image you posted.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Those are Trumps tweets.

    You wont actually look them up because you know what youre gonna find.

    When didnt Trump lick Izrael's boots? WTF?

    Half of his family, including his Democrat son-in-law, are Izraeli Firsters.
    They are made to appear to be Truth Social posts, not Tweets.
    If they are real then you should be able to provide the source links.

    Trump has never called for "unlimited" support for Israel, and he specifically refused to retaliate against Iran when the Pentagon wanted to.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump has never called for "unlimited" support for Israel...
    You're denying that he's a reliable tool of Israel because he never used the word " unlimited"? Really?



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You're denying that he's a reliable tool of Israel because he never used the word " unlimited"? Really?

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  10. #98

    https://twitter.com/MLiamMcCollum/st...11687464308796
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  11. #99
    Inside the decision to host Trump:

    https://reason.com/2024/05/24/inside...-trump-speech/
    __________________________________________________ ________________
    "A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Leave it to Treason to blame Jo Jorgensen for Biden's "victory".

    "They just invited Trump for attention and money!" they exclaim. Whatever.

  13. #101
    Party of zero presidential wins and zero members of Congress, maybe take some advice on how to win. Only reason to even talk about the boring irrelevant party convention is because Trump is there.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Party of zero presidential wins and zero members of Congress, maybe take some advice on how to win.
    They know how to win. Go diddle a little girl under Mossad's cameras and you'll get enough campaign cash to be a shoo-in. Help the Democrats do their bull and you'll stay in, too.

  15. #103
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  16. #104
    "When the centerpiece of your party's convention is in theory the competition showing up at your convention, you're not a real party."
    ~~~ Kurt Bardella"
    I was put into jail as I was going to the shoemaker's to get a shoe which was mended. When I was let out the next morning, I proceeded to finish my errand, and, having put on my mended shoe, joined a huckleberry party, who were impatient to put themselves under my conduct; and in half an hour- for the horse was soon tackled- was in the midst of a huckleberry field, on one of our highest hills, two miles off, and then the State was nowhere to be seen.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    "When the centerpiece of your party's convention is in theory the competition showing up at your convention, you're not a real party."
    ~~~ Kurt Bardella"
    Normally Id agree with it 100 percent but since Massie , Paul ( and Swami , for kids) ) are going to be at convention it gives it street cred even if trump not invited, so tuff call
    Do something Danke

  19. #106

    Trumps speech is live on Cspan right now.

    Trumps speech is live on Cspan right now. ("Libaterians") There's some cheering, but a lot of booing, and yelling too. I heard "End the Fed" chants at one point. There are a lot of "Free Ross" signs... "Free Ross!" chants right now... ah, Trump just said "He's already served 11 years. We're gonna get him home."
    "End the Fed!" chants again.

    He's requesting they nominate him - or - at least give him their vote, which seems to draw a lot of boos. Trump not getting all the love he usually does, from this crowd.

    update: Done.
    Last edited by Valli6; 05-25-2024 at 07:18 PM.

  20. #107
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  21. #108
    This was so much better than a normal political rally. There was real energy in the room, real engagement, etc. I can tell Trump felt like he was reaching for a life-ring a few times in his speech, but it's worth paying that price to engage with vibrant political energy that isn't just personality-cult. I'm willing to bet that many who booed Trump in that crowd are going to end up voting for him in November due to his promise to commute Ulbricht's sentence. Also, his promise to put a libertarian in his cabinet is unprecedented, to my knowledge, no R/D candidate has ever promised that. So, that's a guaranteed win for the LPNC, it's a no-brainer. We just don't have the numbers to get our own POTUS candidate elected to anything more than a footnote in the 2024 election. Getting a libertarian in the WH at the secretary level is real power, at the Federal level. The LP would be retarded not to take that offer.

    Of course, the contrarian-libertarians are going to "stand on principle" anyway, and nothing can be done about them. Just my opinion. I would much rather actually have a seat at the table than just cheer from the sidelines and hope that the libertarian voice is heard in a Trump 47 administration. Everybody with an ounce of sense should be able to see that this is a great bargain for libertarians, as a party.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  22. #109
    Well, there...he showed up, presented a pretty routine stump speech, outlined his position, asked for votes and left.

    The earth did not fall out of orbit.
    ďIt is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no Ďproposition nationí can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  23. #110

    TRUMP WILL FREE ROSS ULBRICHT





    There it is folks, if you can keep from crying after being called losers to your face, you can vote to free Ross Ulbricht.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    There it is folks, if you can keep from crying after being called losers to your face, you can vote to free Ross Ulbricht.
    Edward Snowden? Crickets. Julian Assange? Crickets. The pirate guy who can afford to bribe him?

    Um, yay?

    Stuff that turkey.

  25. #112
    Edward Snowden? Crickets. Julian Assange? Crickets. A pirate who can afford to bribe him?

    Well. That's different...

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Of course, the contrarian-libertarians are going to "stand on principle" anyway, and nothing can be done about them. Just my opinion. I would much rather actually have a seat at the table than just cheer from the sidelines and hope that the libertarian voice is heard in a Trump 47 administration.
    The Second Coming right around the corner and you want a seat at the devil's table.

    Um, dude. Secret ballot. He's never going to know if we voted for him or not. Watch this campaign promise go exactly where all those 2016 promises went.

    The wonderful thing about democracy is everyone can fiddle while Rome burns.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-25-2024 at 09:36 PM.



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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The earth did not fall out of orbit.
    Isn't it amazing!
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Edward Snowden? Crickets. Julian Assange? Crickets. A pirate who can afford to bribe him?

    Well. That's different...


    The Second Coming right around the corner and you want a seat at the devil's table.
    Well, if the second coming is right around the corner, it won't matter if we have a seat. And if the Lord should tarry, then yes, I prefer to at least have a seat in the cabinet of POTUS which, for all its evils, has got nothing on the prince of darkness.

    everyone can fiddle while Rome burns.
    I mean, do you have any better ideas between now and November? There's 2028, as well, so I'm not opposed to planning from scratch for that. Or even 2032. But there have to be some positive, concrete ideas including path-to-success. "Educating people" is not it, at least, that's not what the LP should be doing. The Mises Institute has been quietly seeding the conditions for a true revolution for liberty in this country for decades. The LPMC takeover of the LP is a fruit of that labor. And because of this, the LPMC understands that the job of the LP isn't to "educate", it's to effect political change in the direction of liberty, at all levels of government, everywhere across the nation, in the most effective way possible. We're not interested in "ramming liberty down people's throats"; the purpose of education is to get them to want it again; and the purpose of the LP is to get all the liberty that the market will bear.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    ... being called losers to your face...
    It's an objective fact that the LP are losers at the national level. We don't need to dwell on it and get all black-pilled, but if you're going to boo Trump for taking the time to come and speak at your convention, so you don't have to go to a regular rally with everybody else, then don't whine and cry when he points out that you're losers. Fair is fair...
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  30. #116
    I dont see how Trump thinks that adding Niki Haley would be a good..
    That already isn't a Libertarian decision.

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    I dont see how Trump thinks that adding Niki Haley would be a good..
    That already isn't a Libertarian decision.
    He'll probably make her an ambassador, not sure if Swordsmyth's prediction of Elbonia is correct... maybe China?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ..
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump said two things at the Libertarian Convention in DC that I think won over a lot more libertarian voters than anybody could have predicted.

    Pro-crypto, anti-Central Bank Digital Currency

    Commute Ross Ulbricht's sentence on day 1
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  33. #119
    I'm surprised the Libertarian Party, as far as it has strayed away from its principles, actually booed Trump.

    Trump is very very far from an ideal candidate. But he fulfills my 3 criteria: didn't take more of my $ in taxes, didn't take my guns, didn't start/expand stupid wars.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He'll probably make her an ambassador, not sure if Swordsmyth's prediction of Elbonia is correct... maybe China?
    Lol

    LOLOL

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Thanks, dannno. I needed that.

    You should pursue a career in comedy. It takes real talent to say China and a name Scott Adams made up in the same sentence with a straight face. It really does. And suggesting appointing a warmongering neocon MIC stooge as ambassador to one of the most powerful nations on earth is definitely cute.

    I suppose you're going to tell us WWIII will be good for the economy now?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-26-2024 at 05:57 AM.



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