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    Debunking the claim that Trump had to appoint William Barr to avoid impeachment

    @Swordsmyth keeps repeating the false claim that Trump had to appoint swamp critters like William Barr, who had ties to Jeffrey Epstein, to be Attorney General, Mike Pompeo to be Secretary Of State, and John Bolton to be National Security Advisor as a "compromise" with Mitch McConnell to avoid impeachment. Here's the problem. William Barr was nominated to be attorney general BEFORE Trump made the phone call that led to his first impeachment!

    Timeline:
    December 7, 2018, William Barr nominated by Donald Trump to be attorney general.

    April 2018, John Bolton nominated to be National Security Advisor.

    April 2018, Mike Pompeo nominated to be Secretary Of State.

    July 2019, Donald Trump made the phone call to Zelinski that led to his first impeachment.

    So Trump hadn't even done the act that was the basis for the first impeachment until after all of these swamp critters has been nominated.

    Did anything significant happen right before that? Well in January 2018, the Stormy Daniels story broke. Now think about it. William Barr was connected to Jeffery Epstein and Epstein was known for sexual blackmail and Epstein and Trump were friends and in 2002 Trump called Epstein a "terrific guy" who likes "beautiful women" but "on the younger side." Trump's defenders will say "But Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago!" Yes. That's true. Only after Epstein hit on the daughter of one of Trump's friends! And it happened in 2007, 5 years after Trump called Epstein a "terrific guy" who likes "younger" women.

    Trump is no better or worse than Democrat hero Bill Clinton. In fact they were once Democrats together. What else did they do together? Where's Hillary in this picture?



    Donald Trump poses with Bill Clinton, Melania Trump and Sports Illustrated swimsuit model Kylie Bax in 2000. | William J. Clinton Presidential Library

    Epstein's "suicide" was a cover up. An Epstein associate working for Trump covered it up. To my knowledge Trump never pushed back against the idea that Epstein's death was a suicide. Did William Barr have something on Trump? That's at least possible if not plausible. But impeachment was not at all hanging over Trump's head.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 04-19-2024 at 07:41 AM.
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Thanks, but you don't need to debunk any of that. We all know SS is delusional. We were all on this planet during Trump's tenure and saw all of his picks.

    Not only did we see them, we saw how Trump lauded them and praised them as very good super picks - the best picks ever.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Thanks, but you don't need to debunk any of that.
    But you have to admit he did it well. He sewed the timeline right up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    @Swordsmyth keeps repeating the false claim that Trump had to appoint swamp critters like William Barr, who had ties to Jeffrey Epstein, to be Attorney General, Mike Pompeo to be Secretary Of State, and John Bolton to be National Security Advisor as a "compromise" with Mitch McConnell to avoid impeachment. Here's the problem. William Barr was nominated to be attorney general BEFORE Trump made the phone call that led to his first impeachment!

    Timeline:
    December 7, 2018, William Barr nominated by Donald Trump to be attorney general.

    April 2018, John Bolton nominated to be National Security Advisor.

    April 2018, Mike Pompeo nominated to be Secretary Of State.

    July 2019, Donald Trump made the phone call to Zelinski that led to his first impeachment.

    So Trump hadn't even done the act that was the basis for the first impeachment until after all of these swamp critters has been nominated.

    Did anything significant happen right before that? Well in January 2018, the Stormy Daniels story broke. Now think about it. William Barr was connected to Jeffery Epstein and Epstein was known for sexual blackmail and Epstein and Trump were friends and in 2002 Trump called Epstein a "terrific guy" who likes "beautiful women" but "on the younger side." Trump's defenders will say "But Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-lago!" Yes. That's true. Only after Epstein hit on the daughter of one of Trump's friends! And it happened in 2007, 5 years after Trump called Epstein a "terrific guy" who likes "younger" women.

    Trump is no better or worse than Democrat hero Bill Clinton. In fact they were once Democrats together. What else did they do together? Where's Hillary in this picture?



    Donald Trump poses with Bill Clinton, Melania Trump and Sports Illustrated swimsuit model Kylie Bax in 2000. | William J. Clinton Presidential Library

    Epstein's "suicide" was a cover up. An Epstein associate working for Trump covered it up. To my knowledge Trump never pushed back against the idea that Epstein's death was a suicide. Did William Barr have something on Trump? That's at least possible if not plausible. But impeachment was not at all hanging over Trump's head.
    LOL

    They were chasing Trump with impeachment since Day 1 with the Russiagate garbage.
    His entire term was an exercise in balancing power camps to stay in office and get things done.

    And Trump was doing his usual hinted warning to people about Epstein "liking them young", there is nothing suspicious at all about Trump not tossing a guy out of his club on the first unproven allegation, especially when being a NYC Real Estate Tycoon required him to hang out in those circles.
    If there was any blackmail on Trump related to Epstein it would have been dumped when he had him arrested the first time and cooperated with the victims and their lawyers when nobody else would.
    It certainly would have been leaked when he had him arrested the second time and shut down the operation on the island, and yet in spite of every effort to destroy Trump it has never been leaked.

    Your threadbare theory and understanding of power politics are laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    They were chasing Trump with impeachment since Day 1 with the Russiagate garbage.
    His entire term was an exercise in balancing power camps to stay in office and get things done.

    And Trump was doing his usual hinted warning to people about Epstein "liking them young", there is nothing suspicious at all about Trump not tossing a guy out of his club on the first unproven allegation, especially when being a NYC Real Estate Tycoon required him to hang out in those circles.
    If there was any blackmail on Trump related to Epstein it would have been dumped when he had him arrested the first time and cooperated with the victims and their lawyers when nobody else would.
    It certainly would have been leaked when he had him arrested the second time and shut down the operation on the island, and yet in spite of every effort to destroy Trump it has never been leaked.

    Your threadbare theory and understanding of power politics are laughable.
    The Stormy Daniels blackmail didn't come out until 2018. Do you REALLY think that Stormy Daniels and her lawyer were the only ones who who knew about that? She shopped the story back in 2011. If the powers that be REALLY wanted to stop Trump why didn't they bring that story out in 2016? The Clintons asked Trump to run. Trump did everything Fauci asked him to do. The gain of function research pause ended when Trump became president. And even by your own admission, Trump filled his own cabinet with swamp critters before any impeachment was leveled against him. A vague threat of "We're going to get enough Republicans to vote against you for impeachment over absolutely nothing" wouldn't have been enough to control Trump like that. But they had sexual blackmail. That's the focus of the hush money trial. The question is what other sexual blackmail did they have? Jeffrey Epstein knew and he's dead.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-20-2024 at 08:10 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The Stormy Daniels blackmail didn't come out until 2018. Do you REALLY think that Stormy Daniels and her lawyer were the only ones who who knew about that? She shopped the story back in 2011. If the powers that be REALLY wanted to stop Trump why didn't they bring that story out in 2016? The Clintons asked Trump to run. Trump did everything Fauci asked him to do. The gain of function research pause ended when Trump became president. And even by your own admission, Trump filled his own cabinet with swamp critters before any impeachment was leveled against him. A vague threat of "We're going to get enough Republicans to vote against you for impeachment over absolutely nothing" wouldn't have been enough to control Trump like that. But they had sexual blackmail. That's the focus of the hush money trial. The question is what other sexual blackmail did they have? Jeffrey Epstein knew and he's dead.
    LOL

    The Stormy thing was always a lie, and not only would it just have been a nuisance payoff but Cohen did it without Trump's knowledge and the evidence points to her blackmailing Cohen over his affair with her and him embezzling Trump's money to pay her off by pretending it was a payoff to protect Trump from blackmail.
    They didn't bring it out in 2016 because they were already getting too close to Bill Clinton's much bigger problems with the Access Hollywood tape attack and Trump pushed back by inviting Clinton's accusers that Hitlery helped silence to an event.
    You just gobble up whatever the MSM feeds you about Trump.

    Of course they ended the gain of function pause when Trump got in, the deepstate was going to use it to get rid of him in 2020.
    He absolutely did not give them everything they wanted, he pushed other treatments, resisted the lockdowns, and insisted on no mandates for the vaccine.
    And him forcing them to rush the vaccine kept them from keeping the lockdowns for many more years and then fully certifying the jabs with fraudulent tests which would have allowed them to mandate them easier.

    It seems I have to repeat it for you, IMPEACHMENT WAS BEING PURSUED WITH THE RUSSIAGATE NONSENSE FROM DAY ONE AND THE RINOs WERE SIGNALLING A WILLINGNESS TO RUN WITH IT.
    The threat was not vague in the least.

    There is no sexual blackmail or they would have used it by now.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-20-2024 at 08:10 AM.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is no sexual blackmail or they would have used it by now.
    He did everything the deep state wanted him to do. Judging by the way the only position at all he has chosen to stand on this round is more money for Israel, he obviously still is, why would they spill the beans?

    You don't seem to understand how this blackmail concept works. You only air the dirt when your mark refuses to be useful to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    He did everything the deep state wanted him to do. Judging by the way the only position at all he has chosen to stand on this round is more money for Israel, he obviously still is, why would they spill the beans?

    You don't seem to understand how this blackmail concept works. You only air the dirt when your mark refuses to be useful to you.
    Total disconnection from reality.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Total disconnection from reality.
    Total disconnection from that treehouse.

    Brace yourself for a shock: Breitbart and the Conservative Treehouse are no more the sum total of reality than the MSM is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    The Stormy thing was always a lie, and not only would it just have been a nuisance payoff but Cohen did it without Trump's knowledge and the evidence points to her blackmailing Cohen over his affair with her and him embezzling Trump's money to pay her off by pretending it was a payoff to protect Trump from blackmail.
    They didn't bring it out in 2016 because they were already getting too close to Bill Clinton's much bigger problems with the Access Hollywood tape attack and Trump pushed back by inviting Clinton's accusers that Hitlery helped silence to an event.
    You just gobble up whatever the MSM feeds you about Trump.

    Of course they ended the gain of function pause when Trump got in, the deepstate was going to use it to get rid of him in 2020.
    He absolutely did not give them everything they wanted, he pushed other treatments, resisted the lockdowns, and insisted on no mandates for the vaccine.
    And him forcing them to rush the vaccine kept them from keeping the lockdowns for many more years and then fully certifying the jabs with fraudulent tests which would have allowed them to mandate them easier.

    It seems I have to repeat it for you, IMPEACHMENT WAS BEING PURSUED WITH THE RUSSIAGATE NONSENSE FROM DAY ONE AND THE RINOs WERE SIGNALLING A WILLINGNESS TO RUN WITH IT.
    The threat was not vague in the least.

    There is no sexual blackmail or they would have used it by now.
    What part of the "Stormy thing" was always a lie? That they had sex? Trump bragged about him sleeping with married women so adultery from him isn't surprising. They he knew about the payout? He said he knew, then said he didn't. So which version of Trump is lying? But all of that's besides the point and you're intelligent enough to know it, you're just pretending that you're not. THE DEMOCRATS WERE NEVER GOING TO GET ENOUGH REPUBLICANS TO SIGN OFF ON THE RUSSIA HOAX FOR IMPEACHMENT! You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that. But the Stormy Daniels story actually hurt Trump temporarily with Republicans until he went from admitting he paid her off to denying it.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    He did everything the deep state wanted him to do. Judging by the way the only position at all he has chosen to stand on this round is more money for Israel, he obviously still is, why would they spill the beans?

    You don't seem to understand how this blackmail concept works. You only air the dirt when your mark refuses to be useful to you.
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Total disconnection from reality.
    You drank the Kool-Aid. Here's Fauci, and Trump's insistence, telling the world that Trump did everything Fauci wanted him to do when Fauci wanted him to do it.



    Yes I know Trump later tried to distance himself from Fauci, but anyone with a brain can see through that.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What part of the "Stormy thing" was always a lie? That they had sex? Trump bragged about him sleeping with married women so adultery from him isn't surprising. They he knew about the payout? He said he knew, then said he didn't. So which version of Trump is lying? But all of that's besides the point and you're intelligent enough to know it, you're just pretending that you're not. THE DEMOCRATS WERE NEVER GOING TO GET ENOUGH REPUBLICANS TO SIGN OFF ON THE RUSSIA HOAX FOR IMPEACHMENT! You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that. But the Stormy Daniels story actually hurt Trump temporarily with Republicans until he went from admitting he paid her off to denying it.
    Bunk.
    Trump may have slept with other women, he didn't sleep with diseased whores.
    Whether he knew about the payout, before it was made or after it was made, is unimportant, if he did know he just knew his lawyer told him he settled a nuisance case by a liar looking to harm his reputation in an election.
    What really happened was the lawyer conspired with his mistress to extort his client.

    And even the worst case belief about what happened does not rise to the level of a crime, nor does it imply some other secret blackmail material.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Bunk.
    Trump may have slept with other women, he didn't sleep with diseased whores.
    Whether he knew about the payout, before it was made or after it was made, is unimportant, if he did know he just knew his lawyer told him he settled a nuisance case by a liar looking to harm his reputation in an election.
    What really happened was the lawyer conspired with his mistress to extort his client.

    And even the worst case belief about what happened does not rise to the level of a crime, nor does it imply some other secret blackmail material.
    Stormy Daniels wasn't diseased. Porn stars get regularly checked. Regardless, Trump was being sexually blackmailed by Stormy Daniels (and possibly others) prior to Russiagate being a thing. There a 130,000 reasons to believe that.

    Some yes or no questions.

    1) Was Epstein most likely murdered? Yes or no?

    2) Was William Barr connected to Epstein? Yes or no?

    3) Did William Barr cover up Epstein's murder? Yes or no?

    4) Did Trump call out William Barr covering up Epstein's murder? Yes or no?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Bunk.
    Trump may have slept with other women, he didn't sleep with diseased whores.
    Whether he knew about the payout, before it was made or after it was made, is unimportant, if he did know he just knew his lawyer told him he settled a nuisance case by a liar looking to harm his reputation in an election.
    What really happened was the lawyer conspired with his mistress to extort his client.

    And even the worst case belief about what happened does not rise to the level of a crime, nor does it imply some other secret blackmail material.
    Damning New Audio Released Featuring Stormy Daniels and Her Attorney: “Sounds like extortion”

    https://wltreport.com/2024/05/09/damning-new-audio-released-featuring-stormy-daniels-her/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Porn stars get regularly checked.
    List what they get tested for...

    Recall Trump is a germaphobe..

    Then get back to me..
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