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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Trump was still president until Biden was sworn in. Trump's last pardon was done on January 20th, 2021.

    https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardo...rump-2017-2021
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    The electoral vote count in Congress and the inauguration have never happened on the same day. They're a couple of weeks apart.
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    List of Pardons by Trump:


    - Alex Adjmi: Adjmi was granted a full pardon. The White House said Adjmi was convicted of a financial crime in 1996 and served 5 years in prison.

    - Michael Ashley: Ashley was convicted for bank fraud over the 2009 collapse of mortgage company Lend America and sentenced to 3 years in prison in 2019. He was the executive vice president and chief business strategist with the company. Ashley was ordered to pay $49 million in restitution and $800,000 in forfeiture. His sentence was commuted.

    - Stephen K. Bannon: Trump's former chief strategist in the White House was in charge of the final months of his 2016 presidential campaign and was indicted in August along with three others on wire fraud and money laundering conspiracy charges. Prosecutors alleged that Bannon’s crowdfunding “We Build the Wall” campaign raised more than $25 million from Trump supporters and used hundreds of thousands for personal expenses. He was taken into custody by U.S. Postal Inspection Service agents while on board the yacht of Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui. Bannon received a full pardon and now will not have to face a trial.

    - Dr. Faustino Bernadett: Bernadett, a retired anesthesiologist, was sentenced last year to 15 months in federal prison for taking part in a long-running health care fraud scheme where he authorized sham contracts that concealed over $30 million in illegal kickback payments to physicians, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. The overall scheme resulted in more than $900 million in fraudulent bills being submitted, the office said. The White House said Bernadett has spent the past year “devoted to helping protect his community from Covid-19.” He received a full pardon.

    - Carl Andrews Boggs: Trump granted a full pardon to Carl Andrews Boggs. In 2014, Boggs pleaded guilty to federal charges stemming from a criminal investigation into the illegal use of a disadvantaged business enterprise to obtain government-funded construction contracts. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office, he pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to defraud the department of transportation and one count of money laundering conspiracy.

    - Randall “Duke” Cunningham: Another ex-member of Congress, the California Republican was sentenced to 8 years in prison for bribery and was released in 2013. He received a conditional pardon.

    - Kwame Kilpatrick: The former mayor of Detroit had his 28-year sentence commuted. He pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and resigned from office as part of a plea deal in 2008 following a pay-to-play scheme in which Kilpatrick and his father took kickbacks and bribes to steer city business to certain contractors. He initially served 99 days in prison but then served an additional year for violating his probation and was released in 2011.

    - Salomon Melgen: Trump commuted the prison sentence of Melgen, an eye doctor and major Democratic donor convicted of defrauding Medicare patients. He stood trial with New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez, who lobbied Trump for Melgen's case.

    - Rick Renzi: Former U.S. Rep. Rick Renzi, R-Ariz., was granted a full pardon. In 2013, he was sentenced to three years in prison for extortion, bribery, insurance fraud, money laundering and racketeering in a public corruption case. He had served three terms in the House.

    - Aviem Sella: An Israeli citizen, Sella was indicted in March 1987 on charges he recruited convicted American spy Jonathan Jay Pollard to collect U.S. military secrets for Israel. Trump granted him a full pardon and his request was supported by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. and the U.S. ambassador to Israel.

    - David Tamman: Trump granted a full pardon to David Tamman, who was a partner at a law firm when he doctored financial documents at the behest of a client who was perpetrating a Ponzi scheme. According to the Department of Justice, the scheme ultimately took $22 million from victims. Tamman was found guilty of 10 counts that included obstruction of justice, altering records in a federal investigation, and being an accessory after the fact to the fraud scheme. He was convicted in 2013 and completed his seven-year sentence in 2019.

    - Monstsho Eugene Vernon: Vernon had his sentence commuted after serving 19 years in prison. Vernon committed numerous armed bank robberies in Greenville, South Carolina. The White House said that some of these offenses involved Vernon carrying BB guns as opposed to genuine firearms.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ences-n1254806


    But he did not pardon Assange or Snowden.
    When was the first conviction of a Jan 6th protestor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    When was the first conviction of a Jan 6th protestor?
    Good question. I don't know. But Ford pardoned Nixon without Nixon being convicted.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Good question. I don't know. But Ford pardoned Nixon without Nixon being convicted.
    And in so doing, spared him from having to endure the trial. Or even sitting in jail wondering if bail will ever be set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Good question. I don't know. But Ford pardoned Nixon without Nixon being convicted.
    Pardoning people for charges that haven't been filed, and for convictions that haven't happened is highly unusual I believe. I would even say that would seem like an abuse of power to just hand out pardons to people just in case that get charged with a crime in the future.

    I think it would be appropriate for the next president to pardon the Jan 6th protesters now that their Sixth Amendment and other rights have been violated. Pardon nearly all of them, except those working for the FBI, CIA, etc. Then tell them all to file a class action law suit and direct the DOJ to not fight it and pay up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I would even say that would seem like an abuse of power to just hand out pardons to people just in case that get charged with a crime in the future.
    Your Fan Fiction Trumpscuse is, it's an abuse of power to use a pardon to prevent an abuse of power?

    Just in case. They were in jail that whole two weeks.

    If you want to excuse the inexcusable, you're going to have to work harder than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Pardoning people for charges that haven't been filed, and for convictions that haven't happened is highly unusual I believe. I would even say that would seem like an abuse of power to just hand out pardons to people just in case that get charged with a crime in the future.

    I think it would be appropriate for the next president to pardon the Jan 6th protesters now that their Sixth Amendment and other rights have been violated. Pardon nearly all of them, except those working for the FBI, CIA, etc. Then tell them all to file a class action law suit and direct the DOJ to not fight it and pay up!
    Usual yes but not unprecedented. Now at the risk of invoking the spirit of SS, I concede Trump would have to be concerned that pardoning the January 6th protesters might give credence to the idea that he incited them to riot in the first place.
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Your Fan Fiction Trumpscuse is, it's an abuse of power to use a pardon to prevent an abuse of power?

    Just in case. They were in jail that whole two weeks.

    If you want to excuse the inexcusable, you're going to have to work harder than that.
    I don't know what you are talking about and it isn't my job to excuse Trump for anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Usual yes but not unprecedented. Now at the risk of invoking the spirit of SS, I concede Trump would have to be concerned that pardoning the January 6th protesters might give credence to the idea that he incited them to riot in the first place.
    Worse than that, to me, it just seems wildly inappropriate to be throwing pardons around to people just in case they ever get charged with a crime in the future.

    Now that we all see the abuse of power coming from the Biden DOJ, it is very appropriate for any future president to issue pardons and apologies... and pay reparations to the people that have had their civil rights violated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Now that we all see the abuse of power coming from the Biden DOJ...
    Biden has been abusing power for decades and decades. He did not, however, invent that. Trump could and should have foreseen such a possibility. He didn't. His voters got fooled because they're fools.

    It's also worth mentioning that very few of those protestors were arrested by Biden's DOJ. They were arrested by Trump's DOJ. If the system was broken at the end of his term, it's only because nobody in a position to do so bothered to fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump has Mike Pompeo running around saying, "I'll be Secretary of Defense soon!"
    And has Trump said he will be? has he given him a position in his campaign? let alone have him run it?
    Pompeo turned on Trump and only now is trying to flip back, Trump won't be giving him anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Byllshyt. You didn't say "impeachment in general." You said "One of the phony impeachments." There were two of them. And he was paying off Stormy Daniels before he even got elected president. Dude was being sexually blackmailed and you know it. Everybody knows that.
    Nobody "knows" that but people who uncritically swallow the MSM.
    He was not being blackmailed sexually, and if you were right it would just show that Stormy was the worst they had on him.

    "One of the phony impeachments" does not limit it to the two that came to pass, they were trying to whip up more from day one and had they gotten more RINO cooperation they would have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah. @Swordsmyth is a one trick pony. I bet next he'll say the reason Trump said in 2000 that he supported an assault weapons ban is that he knew one day he wouldb be president and subject to impeachment.
    He said that when he was not running and he was doing business in New York and Hollywood.
    You don't do business in those places for long if you don't say the "right" things and party with the "right" people.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Pardoning people for charges that haven't been filed, and for convictions that haven't happened is highly unusual I believe. I would even say that would seem like an abuse of power to just hand out pardons to people just in case that get charged with a crime in the future.

    I think it would be appropriate for the next president to pardon the Jan 6th protesters now that their Sixth Amendment and other rights have been violated. Pardon nearly all of them, except those working for the FBI, CIA, etc. Then tell them all to file a class action law suit and direct the DOJ to not fight it and pay up!
    And the courts have ruled that granting and accepting a preemptive pardon is the same as a plea deal that admits guilt.
    Ask Sheriff Arpaio about that.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pompeo turned on Trump and only now is trying to flip back, Trump won't be giving him anything.
    Trump won't give Mr. CIA anything?

    Sure. Just like Johnson won't give Israel anything.

    Naivete. The Treehouse hands it out like candy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nobody "knows" that but people who uncritically swallow the MSM.
    Which MSM? The Royal Gay MSM? Or the Loyal Oppo MSM like Zerohedge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You don't do business in those places for long if you don't say the "right" things and party with the "right" people.
    So the reason he didn't govern like the outsider you said he was, and ruled like the insider you said he wasn't, is because he was always an insider.

    But I told you that back in the day and you called me a variety of rude things, one of which was "liar". Now we see who has been lying, don't we?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 04-23-2024 at 05:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump won't give Mr. CIA anything?
    He won't, just like he won't give Pence anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So the reason he didn't govern like the outsider you said he was, and ruled like the insider you said he wasn't, is because he was always an insider.

    But I told you that back in the day and you called me a variety of rude things, one of which was "liar". Now we see who has been lying, don't we?
    He did govern like an outsider, that's why he's now an outcast.
    I didn't trust him, didn't vote for him, and was skeptical and slightly hostile to him until he started doing good things, I have posted the proof of that many times now.
    I did not call you a liar for saying he was an insider back in the day, so I guess we know who the liar is.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He won't, just like he won't give Pence anything.




    He did govern like an outsider, that's why...
    Pompeo, Pence, Bolton and other swamp monsters are in the conversation because you are clearly flat wrong about that.

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