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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    There are a number of Americans that dont want a forever war and they arent just MAGA.
    Yes that is me.

    But I know that nobody cares anymore. We just saw congressmen waving a foriegn flag on the house floor and despite what I think of Trump, tweeting die to the concept of making america great again.

    It's over we lost.



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    https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status...64154493153306

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    It's over we lost.
    The black pills are flowing like wine this morning.

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    Rep Gerald Connolly (D)
    The Clown Gerald said that Ukrainian, Russian Borders is our borders because Ukraine needs FREEDOM Loving....
    Because Russia is a dictatorship country.

    Yet the US govt has no problem working the Saudis....
    Another Dictatorship...


    “Some say, well, we have to deal with our border first.

    The Ukrainian Russian border is OUR border!"



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    Whats in the US aid bill for Israel,Ukraine, Taiwan?
    They are sending Ukraine more of the M1 Abrams tanks despite the certain destruction of them.

    https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/statu...37056061215219

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    There was money for the U.S. border in that pork bill.



    Money to pay people to illegally cross it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There was money for the U.S. border in that pork bill.



    Money to pay people to illegally cross it.

    ^^^^

    And there are still stoopid people who actually believe that Walls and Police State solutions are going to solve it.



    Catholic Charities, Jewish Family Council, [and] the Lutherans [which] are involved. What they do is they go to the border and take these asylum seekers from the Department of Homeland Security, [DHS]. They’re paid by DHS to provide aid. So there’s an incentive to bring in more people.

    Catholic Charities USA is just one of a host of NGOs, a network funded by tax dollars and other donors, that funnels and settles illegal immigrants in the country. Of course, the UN also has its tentacles in, brazenly giving out debit cards loaded with hundreds of pesos a month to support the illegals along their march to the border, all while being funded by, you guessed it, U.S. taxpayers. We’re paying for our own demise.

    At the same time, we as a country are paying for the invasion ourselves.

    We cannot stop an invasion of illegal immigration while paying for it to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ^^^^

    And there are still stoopid people who actually believe that Walls and Police State solutions are going to solve it.
    Of course walls will stop it.

    Nations all around the world use walls to protect their borders.

    Including the nation and people most responsible, (outside our own dumb asses that are too demoralized and atomized to come together for even a minute to defend ourselves) for facilitating our current invasion.

    Why do we send billions to this nation to fund their walls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Of course walls will stop it.

    Nations all around the world use walls to protect their borders.

    Including the nation and people most responsible, (outside our own dumb asses that are too demoralized and atomized to come together for even a minute to defend ourselves) for facilitating our current invasion.

    Why do we send billions to this nation to fund their walls?

    Don't cry like a poor little baby [not if, but] when it happens here. You are chanting and screaming for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" to emulate other commie/fascist countries.

    Spend spend spend, that'll fix it!

    Yeah, you keep talking about civil war here and all the people who are screwing you. Not only will I be up against the Marxists, but the Fascists who are screwing me too.
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    The government in DC doesn't represent American citizens and they don't care that we know it.
    That is pretty much it.

    Traitors, moles and Quislings.

    Now, we have the manpower, we have the tools, we have both the moral and legal high ground, to abolish this government, to arrest and punish the people responsible and run the underlings off.

    All we lack is the courage and the will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That is pretty much it.

    Traitors, moles and Quislings.

    Now, we have the manpower, we have the tools, we have both the moral and legal high ground, to abolish this government, to arrest and punish the people responsible and run the underlings off.

    All we lack is the courage and the will.

    No, A/F, we don't have the "moral high ground". Not when people scream for the "solutions" that you propose, which is most if not all of the dumb-a$$ "republicans".

    I don't want any part of Marxism. I don't want any part of your Fascist solutions either.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Don't cry like a poor little baby [not if, but] when it happens here. You are chanting and screaming for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" to emulate other commie/fascist countries.

    Spend spend spend, that'll fix it!

    Yeah, you keep talking about civil war here and all the people who are screwing you. Not only will I be up against the Marxists, but the Fascists who are screwing me too.
    We've already been down this road.

    Following the constitution is not fascism.

    Why are we even arguing about it...you guys won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No, A/F, we don't have the "moral high ground". Not when people scream for the "solutions" that you propose, which is most if not all of the dumb-a$$ "republicans".

    I don't want any part of Marxism. I don't want any part of your Fascist solutions either.
    You do not agree that this government has shown itself to be engaging in "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" and and destructive to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    We've already been down this road.

    Following the constitution is not fascism.

    Why are we even arguing about it...you guys won.

    I didn't win sh|t. To the contrary, you guys "won". And mark my words, more wall and more Police-State "solutions" will be implemented no matter which one of your guys [Trump or Biden] wins the election. That CONstitution that you love so dearly was written for a moral people. The problem is, a "moral people" we are not.





    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There was money for the U.S. border in that pork bill.



    Money to pay people to illegally cross it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You do not agree that this government has shown itself to be engaging in "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" and and destructive to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
    Oh yes, I agree wholeheartedly. But it is the "solutions" that the dumb-a$$ people are screaming for, which does nothing but perpetuate the abuse this representative government is giving to us.

    If you can't see that [or maybe you are simply a proponent], I don't know what to tell you.
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    I don't want any part of your Fascist solutions either.
    Defending your country and your home is not fascism.

    I understand, you do not believe in nations or history or tradition or institutions.

    I do.

    So does my family.

    "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights."

    Both are under extreme attack.

    You've become so atomized, you'd let your neighbors house burn down before allowing firemen to drag hoses across your property.

    My faith is questioned because some think God's plans should just all work themselves out and we must not lift a finger to try and alter or change them.

    At the other extreme are folks like you, who would watch the world burn down right in front of them and not lift a finger to alter or change that, because, "I'm good, $#@! 'em".

    Well, piss on of all you.

    Not only would I allow the hoses to be dragged, I'd happily help fight the fire in your home.

    That does not make me a $#@!ing fascist.

    It makes me a good neighbor and friend.

    I don't want to live in either one of your worlds.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 04-22-2024 at 01:33 PM.
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Oh yes, I agree wholeheartedly. But it is the "solutions" that the dumb-a$$ people are screaming for, which does nothing but perpetuate the abuse this representative government is giving to us.

    If you can't see that [or maybe you are simply a proponent], I don't know what to tell you.
    That's the moral high ground I was speaking of.
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I didn't win sh|t. To the contrary, you guys "won". And mark my words, more wall and more Police-State "solutions" will be implemented no matter which one of your guys [Trump or Biden] wins the election. That CONstitution that you love so dearly was written for a moral people. The problem is, a "moral people" we are not.
    Sure there will be more police state.

    But that will only be for you and me, not for the invaders.

    There will be no wall, there will be no reduction in funding of NGOs are orchestrating the invasion, there will be no deportations.

    The constitution will not be followed.

    The nation will be no more in another 20 years or so.

    And you're fine with that.

    You win.

    You're not going to like your prize, but you're the winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You've become so atomized, you'd let your neighbors house burn down before allowing firemen to drag hoses across your property.
    I've never seen him say that. I've seen him engage the hypothetical, and decide no property owner should be forced to endure it. Which was simply an exploration of principles. Principles are good. If the average schmo had any, we wouldn't be in this mess.

    Are you really so hungry to blame someone else for the fact that being willing to concede our principles for political expediency has landed us in a dumpster fire that you'll pick on the person who stands by those principles as if he was part of the group that suckered you? Talk about shooting the messenger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My faith is questioned because some think God's plans should just all work themselves out and we must not lift a finger to try and alter or change them.
    And now the fact that your politicians failed you miserably has you putting words in Mr. Drake's mouth that he did not say. He did not say, do nothing . In fact, you accused him of that and he denied it. What he did say was, preach the gospel. And what PAF is preaching has basis in the gospel -- trust God, not men.

    I keep thinking of the people (some if whom I know) who are still not mad at the government for lying to them and trying to kill them, but are mad as hell at the person who told them the truth about where their medical problems came from. I wonder what brought them to mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And you're fine with that.
    You could really stand to stop embarrassing yourself about now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Defending your country and your home is not fascism.

    I understand, you do not believe in nations or history or tradition or institutions.

    I do.

    So does my family.

    "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights."

    Both are under extreme attack.
    You are too damned blind to even see it with all of the hatred that you have; The very Bill of Rights is literally being shredded and destroyed by the likes of you and every other "republican", democrats included.


    [You've become so atomized, you'd let your neighbors house burn down before allowing firemen to drag hoses across your property.
    I gave a literal example of Private Property Rights. Of course you will use that against me just to try to prove a point.


    My faith is questioned because some think God's plans should just all work themselves out and we not lift a finger to try and alter or change them.
    Faith is after you leave this forsaken world. The test is living day to day, as morally as one can be.



    At the other extreme are folks like you, who would watch the world burn down right in front of them and not lift a finger to alter or change that, because, "I'm good, $#@! 'em".

    Well, piss on of all you.
    I've done more to promote the principles of liberty/freedom/fiscal responsibility than you can possibly know. I've about given up, because it has been made very crystal clear that government and the CONStitution is there to "protect us" at all cost, and if that means giving up liberty/freedom/fiscal responsibility then so be it. I don't subscribe to that in any way shape or form. I am not commie, and I certainly am not a fascist/nationalist.

    Not only would I allow the hoses to be dragged, I'd happily help fight the fire in your home.
    About the only thing we agree on these days, I would absolutely likewise do the same [and I have] ;-)

    That does not make me a $#@!ing fascist.

    Hey, I call it like I see it. The first problem in problem solving is first admitting the problem. You simply aren't there yet.


    It makes me a good neighbor and friend.
    Not when you restrict my freedom to travel freely on land that you do not own the deed to. AFAIC, you would treat me absolutely no differently than this God-forsaken government.

    I don't want to live in either one of your worlds.
    You [and the rest of the left/right teams] are the ones boxing yourselves in. You make your bed, so, sleep in it.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to @acptulsa again.



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    Of course Biden is continuing to build the wall. It's a bipartisan police state "solution", while at the same time funding the NGO's and the DHS with tax payer money.

    Biden to Build More US Border Wall
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Of course Biden is continuing to build the wall. It's a bipartisan police state "solution", while at the same time funding the NGO's and the DHS with tax payer money.

    Biden to Build More US Border Wall
    We've seen the government give weapons to both sides of so many civil wars that I've been wondering, hey, you started a civil war with your own people. When do you start giving weapons to us?

    I guess a little more wall to keep us on the tax plantation is the best we can expect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That is pretty much it.

    Traitors, moles and Quislings.

    Now, we have the manpower, we have the tools, we have both the moral and legal high ground, to abolish this government, to arrest and punish the people responsible and run the underlings off.

    All we lack is the courage and the will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You do not agree that this government has shown itself to be engaging in "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" and and destructive to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
    I agree. What is most needed is a legal mechanism that allows for the current government to be dissolved in a way that the general population can stomach. I think most people would rather live with this uncomfortable status quo rather than see a violent revolution. If there was a simple way for We The People to fire all off the current Congress and ban them from holding further office, people might be down with that.

    When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. A "Saved by Zero" situation. Currently as bad as things are, most people are still far from zero. They have things to lose, and so they are risk averse.

    Without a violence-free solution, the people will hold until that are forced to take action. These are dangerous actions that the politicians are taking as we just don't know which straw will break the camel's back. We are sitting on a powder keg and politicians are flicking lit matches.

    The long train of abuses and usurpations is undeniable.

    Clearly it is our right and duty to throw off such government.

    Elections aren't getting the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Elections aren't getting the job done.
    And why is that?

    Never mind 2020. How did all the previous 121 federal elections fail to stop it?

    No federal law, no Constitution, can save a people when 81% of them disapprove of what Congress is doing, but 81% of members of Congress get reelected.

    I heard a lot of lovely promises in 2016, both from Trump and his supporters. He kept precious few, and none of the really important ones. But which of his 2016 voters is doing anything but making excuses for his ineptitude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And why is that?

    Never mind 2020. How did all the previous 121 federal elections fail to stop it?

    No federal law, no Constitution, can save a people when 81% of them disapprove of what Congress is doing, but 81% of members of Congress get reelected.

    I heard a lot of lovely promises in 2016, both from Trump and his supporters. He kept precious few, and none of the really important ones. But which of his 2016 voters is doing anything but making excuses for his ineptitude?
    Is it really that hard for you to understand?

    People have a choice to vote or not vote. On occasion someone good like Ron Paul gets in but usually it is someone worthless. Does that make voting for Ron Paul a mistake? Not in my book. If nothing else it is fun to screw with the criminals in D.C. by electing Thomas Massie. Sure it doesn't stop the generations of corruption that have infected our government but it is still worth doing.

    I think electing Trump was a much better option that Hillary, maybe you disagree. There were some good things that came from it, even though the swamp is still as strong as ever.

    Ultimately the deep state has a strangle hold that won't be broken anytime soon so elections don't have much more significance than throwing a wrench into a small set of gears.

    It is what it is.

    Voting on local elections still has some value in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I've never seen him say that. I've seen him engage the hypothetical, and decide no property owner should be forced to endure it. Which was simply an exploration of principles. Principles are good. If the average schmo had any, we wouldn't be in this mess.
    It was a conversation we had years ago, and yes, that was exactly what he said: he would deny permission for firemen to cross his property with hoses to put out a fire, unless he was there to give them permission. That was even if by so doing they would end up saving his home as well.

    That's not a principle, that philosophical autism.

    The thread has been refreshed, it's around here somewhere.

    And now the fact that your politicians failed you miserably has you putting words in Mr. Drake's mouth that he did not say. He did not say, do nothing . In fact, you accused him of that and he denied it. What he did say was, preach the gospel. And what PAF is preaching has basis in the gospel -- trust God, not men.
    And I said, I guess my faith is weak, because I do not accept there is nothing we can do but preach the gospel.

    But that is what Scripture says, Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    So what are all you sinners doing arguing about this?

    Nothing in this realm matters, you have no freedom, you are a servant of God, and God will do what God is going to do and you can't stop it or help it or save yourself short of salvation.

    I keep thinking of the people (some if whom I know) who are still not mad at the government for lying to them and trying to kill them, but are mad as hell at the person who told them the truth about where their medical problems came from. I wonder what brought them to mind?
    I am, I am in a white hot rage. The COVID jab killed my mother. But then I am said to just be so full of rage it's clouding my judgement. I want the people responsible to be strung up. But I can't support a reasonable border policy to stop tens of thousands young men from that same hostile country from invading without a shot being fired.

    You could really stand to stop embarrassing yourself about now.
    Who appointed you the Great and Powerful Oz?

    You are not the Grand Oracle on all things political.

    I would bestow the Great Sachem @oyarde with that honor first.

    I'm not embarrassed that I disagree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Ultimately the deep state has a strangle hold that won't be broken anytime soon so elections don't have much more significance than throwing a wrench into a small set of gears.

    It is what it is.
    Yet you'd never even consider voting for the monkey wrench named Kennedy. Would you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It was a conversation we had years ago, and yes, that was exactly what he said
    I saw that conversation.

    No, he didn't. If he had, I wouldn't have said he didn't.

    You did, however, forget that Trump's NEA funded drag queen story hours. You forgot that twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yet you'd never even consider voting for the monkey wrench named Kennedy. Would you?
    I have considered voting for Kennedy... I contemplated the integrity he seems to have, I considered how he knows and will publicly talk about corruption in the federal government and I pondered his stupid liberal positions which I abandoned 20+ years ago. I appreciate that Kennedy is an old school liberal and not a modern lefty, but he is still a liberal Democrat. I no longer hold the opinion that liberal Democrat policies are good for our country.

    I would on the other hand love to see Kennedy appointed as Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, where he would oversee the FDA, CDC, NIH and divisions. I would tell him to take any steps necessary to clean that mess up and fire 25% of the staff, starting at the top of each division.

    Personally I think we need actual libertarian/conservative solutions and my hope is that the Republican voters can continue to drive out the neocons and reduce the corruption within the ranks of Republican politicians. I have no hope for the Democrat party.

    You do you and vote for the Democrat Kennedy. I won't be joining you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I have considered voting for Kennedy... I contemplated the integrity he seems to have, I considered how he knows and will publicly talk about corruption in the federal government and I pondered his stupid liberal positions which I abandoned 20+ years ago. I appreciate that Kennedy is an old school liberal and not a modern lefty, but he is still a liberal Democrat. I no longer hold the opinion that liberal Democrat policies are good for our country.

    I would on the other hand love to see Kennedy appointed as Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, where he would oversee the FDA, CDC, NIH and divisions. I would tell him to take any steps necessary to clean that mess up and fire 25% of the staff, starting at the top of each division.

    Personally I think we need actual libertarian/conservative solutions and my hope is that the Republican voters can continue to drive out the neocons and reduce the corruption within the ranks of Republican politicians. I have no hope for the Democrat party.

    You do you and vote for the Democrat Kennedy. I won't be joining you.
    With the amount that was spent by the drunken NY Lib Trump (D), and now Biden (D), what difference does it make? Neither one of them are talking about the corruption that RFK is. Hopefully awareness will continue to spread.

    I'm not voting, but how much worse can RFK really be than the two prior democrats Trump and Biden?
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