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    Communism or Fascism?

    STEVE HALL
    MAR 20, 2024

    My observation is that there are only two basic types of national government: the Laws of Rulers and the Rule of Law. The tendency of Rulers is to seek more power; become more authoritarian; implement collectivist economies; and place themselves above the law.

    That is true, of course, for those who rule here in America as well, even those who are elected. The difference, though, is that through our Constitution, our Rule of Law, our Rulers were supposed to be subject to the same laws as the rest of us. And we were all to have had the same Rights, whether citizen, bureaucrat, official or ruler.

    It is interesting to contrast the economies under Communism, Socialism and Fascism. With the Marx Communist plan, the government owns everything and the national production is shared equally. “You will own nothing and you will be happy!” - as they advertise at Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum in Davos.

    The idea of a Socialist economy, sometimes a precursor to Communism, is that the government takes money from certain groups and distributes it to others; of course that can happen in conjunction any governing system. “Democratic Socialism” only means, in theory at least, that the majority rather than the Ruler decides who takes how much from whom, and who receives it.

    A Fascist economy is different; unlike Communism, it recognizes private property and industry. But rather than free trade and free markets and true capitalism, the government regulates and aggressively controls the industries . . . in effect, the government and industry are merged.

    Note that a Fascist economy does not require a dictator. China today no longer has a Communist economy, which is now better described as Fascist after they began allowing for private industries, where producers could keep some of their profits, even though they are still strictly regulated. That shift also produced their incredible economic growth over the past couple of decades (although it remains to be seen how sustainable it is because, like America and other countries, it was built on fiat money and mountains of debt).


    Here are some insights to consider, especially as to how they relate to America today:


    Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels published the Communist Manifesto in 1848 [a philosophy that would become a movement and change the world]. They included ten “planks” necessary to transform a society to Communism:

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    In his 1944 book As We Go Marching, John T. Flynn described eight marks of Fascism:

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    Full article:

    https://stevehall.substack.com/p/com...m_medium=email
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    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    STEVE HALL
    MAR 20, 2024

    My observation is that there are only two basic types of national government: the Laws of Rulers and the Rule of Law. The tendency of Rulers is to seek more power; become more authoritarian; implement collectivist economies; and place themselves above the law.

    That is true, of course, for those who rule here in America as well, even those who are elected. The difference, though, is that through our Constitution, our Rule of Law, our Rulers were supposed to be subject to the same laws as the rest of us. And we were all to have had the same Rights, whether citizen, bureaucrat, official or ruler.

    It is interesting to contrast the economies under Communism, Socialism and Fascism. With the Marx Communist plan, the government owns everything and the national production is shared equally. “You will own nothing and you will be happy!” - as they advertise at Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum in Davos.

    The idea of a Socialist economy, sometimes a precursor to Communism, is that the government takes money from certain groups and distributes it to others; of course that can happen in conjunction any governing system. “Democratic Socialism” only means, in theory at least, that the majority rather than the Ruler decides who takes how much from whom, and who receives it.

    A Fascist economy is different; unlike Communism, it recognizes private property and industry. But rather than free trade and free markets and true capitalism, the government regulates and aggressively controls the industries . . . in effect, the government and industry are merged.

    Note that a Fascist economy does not require a dictator. China today no longer has a Communist economy, which is now better described as Fascist after they began allowing for private industries, where producers could keep some of their profits, even though they are still strictly regulated. That shift also produced their incredible economic growth over the past couple of decades (although it remains to be seen how sustainable it is because, like America and other countries, it was built on fiat money and mountains of debt).


    Here are some insights to consider, especially as to how they relate to America today:


    Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels published the Communist Manifesto in 1848 [a philosophy that would become a movement and change the world]. They included ten “planks” necessary to transform a society to Communism:

    .
    .
    .


    In his 1944 book As We Go Marching, John T. Flynn described eight marks of Fascism:

    .
    .
    .



    Full article:

    https://stevehall.substack.com/p/com...m_medium=email
    How unfortunate that the United States has come down to two toxic European ideologies, considering the founding of the country had nothing to do with either. I read the blog entry, as well as the comments, and agree with Teresa who brings it right back to the root of the problem: Satan or however one might like to term the eternal reality of evil running amok in this plane of existence.

    I think the terms of socialism, communism and fascism are all too confining because they all overlap in some respects. I lean more toward feudalism being the goal and that contains elements of the above which are implemented to get there. For all of the hollering the modern day progressives do about Nazis, other than military aggression - which the progressives seem to like - I'm not seeing anything that looks like Nazi Germany going on here.

    Are you familiar with the Hindu division of time and the yugas? I'm pretty sure we're in the Kali yuga and ain't no way we're getting out of it. The yugas are eternal and repeating cycles of time, with spirituality/God being predominant in the beginning and declining over time. Then it all dissolves and starts over. We're down there in the worst part which is completely corrupt. Not say this worst part can't get worse but we're in the sewer.
    My two daughters and I were gang-raped by some of the Newcomers. It landed us in the hospital for 3 weeks as several bones were broken. I don't blame them, it was a sexual emergency and I wasn't about to go all white privilege and deny them the release they needed, especially after being stuck in a hotel for months. I see the Newcomers as family now. They are on our side and will help us stop Trump. It is a small price to pay. Anything but Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Are you familiar with the Hindu division of time and the yugas? I'm pretty sure we're in the Kali yuga and ain't no way we're getting out of it.
    I wasn't, but I am now ;-)
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    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I wasn't, but I am now ;-)
    Did you read up on it? It's fascinating. Goes back to the Rig Veda, I believe, which is the oldest religious scripture in the world.
    My two daughters and I were gang-raped by some of the Newcomers. It landed us in the hospital for 3 weeks as several bones were broken. I don't blame them, it was a sexual emergency and I wasn't about to go all white privilege and deny them the release they needed, especially after being stuck in a hotel for months. I see the Newcomers as family now. They are on our side and will help us stop Trump. It is a small price to pay. Anything but Trump.

    -GLP poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Did you read up on it? It's fascinating. Goes back to the Rig Veda, I believe, which is the oldest religious scripture in the world.
    Yes I did. I actually passed it on to the devout Christian woman who I spoke about, I am sure she'll pass it on as well.
    ____________

    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Yes I did. I actually passed it on to the devout Christian woman who I spoke about, I am sure she'll pass it on as well.
    It's that never ending cycle, the great cosmic hamster wheel of life and death, if you will, that the Masters/gurus/saints, including Jesus Christ, come to free people from. The cycle of reincarnation being the result of constantly creating new karma (action-reaction-action-reaction, i.e., spiritual debt) is what keeps souls on the wheel. They way off? Go and sin no more, as Jesus said. Allegedly Of course, none of that made it into western Christian doctrine which is too bad.
    My two daughters and I were gang-raped by some of the Newcomers. It landed us in the hospital for 3 weeks as several bones were broken. I don't blame them, it was a sexual emergency and I wasn't about to go all white privilege and deny them the release they needed, especially after being stuck in a hotel for months. I see the Newcomers as family now. They are on our side and will help us stop Trump. It is a small price to pay. Anything but Trump.

    -GLP poster



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