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    Entered my email address and they knew my phone, credit card and street address

    This has happened twice in the last few weeks. I was buying something from a website I had never been on and when I was checking out it asked for my email address. After I entered my email it sent a code to my phone and after I entered that it filled in my address and last 4 of my credit card.

    This was the first time I really got concerned about this stuff. Where are they getting this? My phone is saved in my email (hotmail) account but not my address and credit card.

    I've had my credit card hacked a few times and had to get a new one but it never cost me. But this is weird. I cancelled my card and I'm getting a new one. I'm trying to figure out a way to remain private but still be able to order online. Any suggestions? I just opened an email using proton. Maybe one of those identity protection services?

    Edit: I figured out what's happening. It's a service called shop pay. If you enter your info into a website that uses shop pay they save it and then any other site that uses shop pay has your data. Still very annoying.
    Last edited by Madison320; 03-09-2024 at 09:03 AM.



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    Brick and mortar. And cash.

    Before they eliminate both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Brick and mortar. And cash.

    Before they eliminate both.
    That world is dying more quickly than you can imagine.

    Honestly, at this point, it's game over. No one gets out alive, bud. We're all just waiting for the basket. There's really no other option. THEYE move the pieces. We're all just sitting here hoping we die before it's checkmate.

    Enjoy your Saturday. That's the truth and it won't get any better. If anything, it'll get worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    That world is dying more quickly than you can imagine.

    Honestly, at this point, it's game over. No one gets out alive, bud. We're all just waiting for the basket. There's really no other option. THEYE move the pieces. We're all just sitting here hoping we die before it's checkmate.

    Enjoy your Saturday. That's the truth and it won't get any better. If anything, it'll get worse.
    Paging @ClaytonB. One black pill lecture please.

    We could turn this around tomorrow, if we could knock enough sense into people to start using old silver coins. That's all it would take. We could have our very own little economy -- a good one -- if we only had enough sense to turn our backs on those leeches.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-09-2024 at 09:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Brick and mortar. And cash.

    Before they eliminate both.

    That's just not a realistic option for me. I live in a small town.

    I figured out that it's a service called shop pay and if you use it once they save your data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Paging @ClaytonB. One black pill lecture please.

    We could turn this around tomorrow, if we could knock enough sense into people to start using old silver coins. That's all it would take. We could have our very own little economy -- a good one -- if we only had enough sense to turn our backs on those leeches.
    Oh for sure. We could definitely do that. Let me know how it goes convincing 90 million American voters to start using gold and silver. We've only been trying that since 2007 or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    We've only been trying that since 2007 or so.
    The powers that be weren't dumping this much fertilizer on everyone back then. Maybe we should rekindle our efforts...

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    [Shop Pay] is a rapid checkout service powered by Shopify. It lets you complete purchases at online stores without having to enter your information every time. Input it once, and Shop Pay automatically provides the information every time you shop at a store that accepts it. It keeps your data safe through end-to-end encryption, and if you choose to delete your account at any time, it wonít hold on to any information that you shared.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Brick and mortar. And cash.
    Uh-oh.
    People usually associate Shop Pay with online shopping, but physical retail stores that use the Shopify Point-of-Sale system can choose to offer Shop Pay. Keep an eye out the next time youíre out shopping, and you might find it available at some of your favorite brick-and-mortar shops.
    https://www.gobankingrates.com/savin...ccept-shop-pay



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Paging @ClaytonB. One black pill lecture please.

    We could turn this around tomorrow, if we could knock enough sense into people to start using old silver coins. That's all it would take. We could have our very own little economy -- a good one -- if we only had enough sense to turn our backs on those leeches.
    LOL, thanks for the page.

    On the topic of alternative economy, I think we are going to see a parallel economy to emerge, maybe as early as this year. The globalists are pirates. Their "strategy", such as it is, is founded on infinite shamelessness. They consider their shamelessness to be a superpower because when their opponents get into a tit-for-tat war with them, the opponents will always be forced to stop short of going the full measure. The pirates are always willing to take one further step down into the Abyss than the good guys. In short, once these pirates land on your shores, you will never be rid of them short of Doomsday. However, there is a remedy, and that remedy is to become nomadic. The pirates have used some kind of Dr. Strange capability to game out all the future scenarios -- BlackRock wins in all 14,000,605 possible futures. But those futures are calculated from the present status quo economy: get a degree, hire into a career company, get a mortgage to buy a house, pay off the mortgage and put your retirement nest egg into a 401k in the Wall St. casino, and so on.

    But if we build a parallel, semi-nomadic economic order (think Convoys Forever, circulating between sympathetic territories acting as home bases), we can route around their controls. Bitcoin can play a role in this, but the more I've mulled on Bitcoin over the years, the more it's become apparent to me that it simply cannot act as a foundation for a parallel economy for the simple reason that we do not know whether P=NP or not. Without proof of the answer to this question, building a parallel economy on Bitcoin is like flipping a coin to determine whether you go to heaven or hell. Willingly taking 50% odds of going to hell is madness, so until P=NP is resolved, Bitcoin can only play a catalytic role, it cannot be a foundational building-block. That leaves PMs and direct trade (barter). PMs, prepping, nomadism, etc. are the future I see developing, because the Beast System has hijacked everything this time. AFAICT, that even includes the church (as proven by enthusiastic COVID compliance by most churches), with some small holdouts here and there. A nomadic parallel economy is a lot harder to stop than it might sound like. A big rolling mass of people is not something that local authorities can bark orders to. The military can always obliterate any target, in principle, but is it actually worth the political costs?! And by the time they're finished with their Dr. Strange calculations for deploying the military to wipe you out in Location A, you've already moved on to Location B. I'm not a fan of constantly being on the move, but if that is the only way to defeat the Beast System, then sign me up.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    This has happened twice in the last few weeks. I was buying something from a website I had never been on and when I was checking out it asked for my email address. After I entered my email it sent a code to my phone and after I entered that it filled in my address and last 4 of my credit card.

    This was the first time I really got concerned about this stuff. Where are they getting this? My phone is saved in my email (hotmail) account but not my address and credit card.

    I've had my credit card hacked a few times and had to get a new one but it never cost me. But this is weird. I cancelled my card and I'm getting a new one. I'm trying to figure out a way to remain private but still be able to order online. Any suggestions? I just opened an email using proton. Maybe one of those identity protection services?

    Edit: I figured out what's happening. It's a service called shop pay. If you enter your info into a website that uses shop pay they save it and then any other site that uses shop pay has your data. Still very annoying.
    This is the video you're looking for:

    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    This is the video you're looking for:


    That was an interesting video. In my case I thought my data was being shared but it wasn't. It was 3 different businesses all using shop pay. I think I may have created an account voluntarily the first time so from now on anyone that uses shop pay has my data. It still sucks but not as bad as I thought. I'm going to always check out as a guest and not create an account whenever possible from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That was an interesting video. In my case I thought my data was being shared but it wasn't. It was 3 different businesses all using shop pay. I think I may have created an account voluntarily the first time so from now on anyone that uses shop pay has my data. It still sucks but not as bad as I thought. I'm going to always check out as a guest and not create an account whenever possible from now on.
    It may still be being shared. There is way more of this going on than you think.



    When the alphabet-soup agencies lie to Congress and say they are not "wittingly" spying on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans, what they really mean is that they've overseen the construction of a private-sector infrastructure that uses the advertising layer of the Internet to spy on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans.

    Every time you visit almost any website nowadays, you are going to have to agree to extremely intrusive cookies (or they may just take the legal risk of inserting them anyway without asking) and you will have to accept ads. Many websites now have counter-ad-blocking so that if you do not enable ads, the website itself will not show. Let's say you visit Macy's website and shop for a sweater. That information is sent back to the ad servers where it is registered with your IP. When you visit Home Depot's website, you're probably going to see ads for sweaters, even though Home Depot doesn't sell sweaters. Why? Because it's the very same ad server serving ads to all the websites. So, when HD sends your IP to the ad-server and says "give me the ads to show to this customer", the ad-server says "Ah, we just saw this fellow and he was shopping for sweaters. Here, show him an ad for a sweater." This system of spying is so efficient that this works even if you make a brand new connection to the Internet from an IP block you have never connected from, with a freshly installed OS and empty browser profile (no cookies, etc.)

    In reality, very few people are grabbing a fresh IP every time they connect (eg randomized VPN or Tor), deleting their browser profile every time, blocking all scripts and tracking cookies, etc. Thus, all of this information "accrues" in the ad servers over time and what is happening in the back end is that the ad-servers are constantly building and maintaining a shadow profile for every human connected to the Internet. This is where Entity Resolution comes into the picture. If you connect to the Internet from a different IP, the ad-servers won't automatically know who you are. But as soon as you visit even one website that you've visited before from a different IP but with same cookies, the ad-servers now know exactly who you are, and your browsing behavior (including browsing history) is stored in your ad-server profile, even though you're connecting from a different IP. When you give your name, address, phone number and other identifying information to a website that shares that information with advertisers, it is populated into your shadow profile (your entity) in their database. Not all of these entities are fully resolved and my understanding is that there is a large secondary market where bulk lots of these unresolved profiles are sold at auction, like cattle.

    And now we know that the FBI purchases this data from the private market.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    That world is dying more quickly than you can imagine.

    Honestly, at this point, it's game over. No one gets out alive, bud. We're all just waiting for the basket. There's really no other option. THEYE move the pieces. We're all just sitting here hoping we die before it's checkmate.

    Enjoy your Saturday. That's the truth and it won't get any better. If anything, it'll get worse.
    The problem with the so-called Christians and libertarians is that they are not even trying to win. They're trying to lose, and in the most gory ways possible. Though I quite get it that they are consciously unaware of that fact--though their demons are aware, as it is their demons which are imparting their sincere and earnest seeking after their and their families' own gory slaughter.

    The reason the world is in the despicable state that it's in is because the world detests God--i.e., the Truth. And that's the case even with the "Christians". If even a couple of percent of those who call themselves Christian were actual Christians, then we would already be living in a mortal paradise.

    Almost all of modern world society has been inducted to some extent by their respective governments into a completely misanthropic and nihilistic antitheist Weltanschauung, a Godless worldview of eternal death. It is the sine qua non of the serial-killer ethos.

    Even nominal mass-Christianity has been to a large degree inducted into this worldview by buying into the God-haters' mendacious propaganda regarding there being a conflict between science and religion. But it is a lie: for ever since Newton's physics, and especially with General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics (either separately or combined), God's existence has always been a mathematically-unavoidable result.

    If God in the literal sense of the infinite sapient being does not exist, then all is permissible. Even if one can prove that, say, libertarianism is apodictically true in the same degree that 2+2 = 4 is true, so what? In the end, we're all dead anyway. The only thing that could give life any meaning beyond mere delusion is if God exists, since then an infinite computational state would exist, thereby allowing finite minds to endlessly grow in complexity toward infinite perfection (per the Quantum Recurrence Theorem). Only then would one's life-work avoid coming to naught. Only then would what one does now actually matter in the end.

    Whereas traditional Christianity has been at the forefront of using the latest science of the day to prove God's existence, such as with Anselm's *Proslogion* and Thomas Aquinas's Five Ways. Indeed, natural science as a systematic discipline is the invention of Christendom, as is the university system.

    Christians in this Godless age continuously cut their own feet out from under themselves before they even bother standing up. They've made the proverbial Faustian bargain with this world--in this case, what evolutionary biologist Prof. Stephen Jay Gould termed the "non-overlapping magisteria": that if they just cede ground regarding scientific matters to the God-haters, that said theophobes won't interfere with the Christians' theological concerns.

    Though Satan must always betray in his pacts. The God-haters have come to lie, steal, enslave, torture, rape and murder--and all that on a mass-scale. Attempts to appease them result in mass-horrors.

    Yet why would Christians believe the same God-hating intelligentsia that gave us the horrors of Communism and Nazism (and other forms of socialism), to name a few of their many horrific societal gifts? Once one buys into their false premise, one has already lost. And I'm not talking about merely debates. One has lost society. One has lost souls. This false premise is straight out of the pit of Hell. So stop believing it, those who dare call themselves Christians. Stop believing the serial-killers of societies. They set-up a trap, and naÔve Christians willingly fall into it. The consequences are rotting corpses stacked as far as the eye can see. Stop being a participatory party to your own rape and slaughter. Stop fashioning your own noose.

    Christians in this age have been entranced by this demonic spell. For the antidote to mankind's gore-seeking hatred of God, see my following article:

    * James Redford, "God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems within Standard Physics", Theophysics: The Physics of God, May 16, 2022, https://jamesredford.substack.com/p/...ven-by-several , https://www.minds.com/blog/view/1373133123700658189 , https://steemit.com/cosmology/@james...andard-physics .
    James Redford

    Author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network, Dec. 4, 2011, doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, https://archive.org/download/JesusIs...-Anarchist.pdf

    And "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", id., Sept. 10, 2012, doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by LexEtLibertas View Post
    The problem with the so-called Christians and libertarians is that they are not even trying to win. They're trying to lose, and in the most gory ways possible. Though I quite get it that they are consciously unaware of that fact--though their demons are aware, as it is their demons which are imparting their sincere and earnest seeking after their and their families' own gory slaughter.

    The reason the world is in the despicable state that it's in is because the world detests God--i.e., the Truth. And that's the case even with the "Christians". If even a couple of percent of those who call themselves Christian were actual Christians, then we would already be living in a mortal paradise.

    Almost all of modern world society has been inducted to some extent by their respective governments into a completely misanthropic and nihilistic antitheist Weltanschauung, a Godless worldview of eternal death. It is the sine qua non of the serial-killer ethos.

    Even nominal mass-Christianity has been to a large degree inducted into this worldview by buying into the God-haters' mendacious propaganda regarding there being a conflict between science and religion. But it is a lie: for ever since Newton's physics, and especially with General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics (either separately or combined), God's existence has always been a mathematically-unavoidable result.

    If God in the literal sense of the infinite sapient being does not exist, then all is permissible. Even if one can prove that, say, libertarianism is apodictically true in the same degree that 2+2 = 4 is true, so what? In the end, we're all dead anyway. The only thing that could give life any meaning beyond mere delusion is if God exists, since then an infinite computational state would exist, thereby allowing finite minds to endlessly grow in complexity toward infinite perfection (per the Quantum Recurrence Theorem). Only then would one's life-work avoid coming to naught. Only then would what one does now actually matter in the end.

    Whereas traditional Christianity has been at the forefront of using the latest science of the day to prove God's existence, such as with Anselm's *Proslogion* and Thomas Aquinas's Five Ways. Indeed, natural science as a systematic discipline is the invention of Christendom, as is the university system.

    Christians in this Godless age continuously cut their own feet out from under themselves before they even bother standing up. They've made the proverbial Faustian bargain with this world--in this case, what evolutionary biologist Prof. Stephen Jay Gould termed the "non-overlapping magisteria": that if they just cede ground regarding scientific matters to the God-haters, that said theophobes won't interfere with the Christians' theological concerns.

    Though Satan must always betray in his pacts. The God-haters have come to lie, steal, enslave, torture, rape and murder--and all that on a mass-scale. Attempts to appease them result in mass-horrors.

    Yet why would Christians believe the same God-hating intelligentsia that gave us the horrors of Communism and Nazism (and other forms of socialism), to name a few of their many horrific societal gifts? Once one buys into their false premise, one has already lost. And I'm not talking about merely debates. One has lost society. One has lost souls. This false premise is straight out of the pit of Hell. So stop believing it, those who dare call themselves Christians. Stop believing the serial-killers of societies. They set-up a trap, and naÔve Christians willingly fall into it. The consequences are rotting corpses stacked as far as the eye can see. Stop being a participatory party to your own rape and slaughter. Stop fashioning your own noose.

    Christians in this age have been entranced by this demonic spell. For the antidote to mankind's gore-seeking hatred of God, see my following article:

    * James Redford, "God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems within Standard Physics", Theophysics: The Physics of God, May 16, 2022, https://jamesredford.substack.com/p/...ven-by-several , https://www.minds.com/blog/view/1373133123700658189 , https://steemit.com/cosmology/@james...andard-physics .
    Interesting and well said post, friend. Much, much to consider. Thank you.

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    What good is Brick and Mortar when they have no inventory? If I have to order via brick and mortar and then to to brick and mortar to acquire product, might just as well order online for home delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Interesting and well said post, friend. Much, much to consider. Thank you.
    You're most welcome, A Son of Liberty!
    James Redford

    Author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network, Dec. 4, 2011, doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, https://archive.org/download/JesusIs...-Anarchist.pdf

    And "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", id., Sept. 10, 2012, doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhys...ics-of-God.pdf



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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    And that's the real problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    What good is Brick and Mortar when they have no inventory? If I have to order via brick and mortar and then to to brick and mortar to acquire product, might just as well order online for home delivery.
    I agree. I think as more people order online, stores carry less "specialty" items. It's not worth it for them to carry stuff that no one is going to buy.

    I hate that my info is out there but I'm not about to hole up in the woods and live off the land. I just try to minimize the risk as best I can. I try to keep things simple. I only have one credit card for example. There are still some free market force at work. My credit card company doesn't want unauthorized purchases either, especially since they have to pay for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    And that's the real problem.
    It's the point at which the real problem becomes completely unavoidable, even for the schizophrenic-level denialists. That the Federal government has been illegally spying on the American public on an industrial scale has been public knowledge since Snowden's disclosures over a decade ago. Nothing was done about it but I really do not understand why. I understand the calculus behind it, but I don't understand why the mass of the American public continues to just go along with the Federal hand sliding up our skirt. At what point along the getting-raped-by-our-own-government scale do We The People put a stop to this?! Only once we're giving birth to the literal Antichrist, or some time before that??!

    There are no other virgin frontiers to run away to. America was the final retreat from this satanic tyranny which has been chasing the people of God for millennia. It has now seized power over our country by infiltrating and corrupting every single department at every level of government. The flagrant, illegal spying of the three-letter-agencies is merely a symptom of the much greater status quo tyranny. The Federal agencies flagrantly spy on us using Stasi methods because they know that, in the grand scheme of tyranny, they are just a drop in the bucket compared to what the rest of the Federal government is really up to. That is the real problem, or next door to it.

    And the real, real problem is found once you ask why they ever felt so bold to pull all these tyrannical stunts in the first place. By what siren-song did the tyrant-class in DC become collectively hypnotized into believing that they would never be held to account for their crimes, that they were all somehow magically immune to the traitor's gallows? Such collective action never occurs randomly, in a vacuum, especially when the stakes, if caught, are so high. No, they were somehow made confident in their crimes, they were made to feel immune and invincible to the law. How was this done? (Rhetorical question...)
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 03-13-2024 at 09:45 PM.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    It's the point at which the real problem becomes completely unavoidable, even for the schizophrenic-level denialists. That the Federal government has been illegally spying on the American public on an industrial scale has been public knowledge since Snowden's disclosures over a decade ago. Nothing was done about it but I really do not understand why. I understand the calculus behind it, but I don't understand why the mass of the American public continues to just go along with the Federal hand sliding up our skirt. At what point along the getting-raped-by-our-own-government scale do We The People put a stop to this?! Only once we're giving birth to the literal Antichrist, or some time before that??
    I think the only fix is to shrink the size of government. No amount of "checks and balances" is going to work when you have a government spending 7 trillion a year. That's why Trump was such a big disappointment he since he doubled the size of government.

    I think we're eventually going to come to a fork in the road caused by high to hyper inflation. At that point we won't be able to print and borrow anymore. Then we'll have to decide on either massively cutting government spending or going all in on socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    he doubled the size of government.
    This is factually false. Government spending spiked under COVID but we know that is something that, politically, Trump was simply unable to stop from happening.

    I think we're eventually going to come to a fork in the road caused by high to hyper inflation. At that point we won't be able to print and borrow anymore. Then we'll have to decide on either massively cutting government spending or going all in on socialism.
    I think we're way past that point. The mindset of the Left is well illustrated in unilateral geoengineering. "We're saving the world. We don't need your permission or approval." They already implemented de facto Marxism in the US at least since 2008, arguably earlier than that. Most Americans mistakenly believe we are still operating under free-market capitalism, which is absurd. Almost the entire national economy is under the direct central control of DC. The only exceptions are a few red states that aren't afraid to flip the bird to DC and are allowing actual market capitalism to exist. Beyond that, we are already in full-blown Marxism and have been for a long time.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    This is factually false.
    It's factually true that he doubled the debt, which makes him more responsible for this wealth transfer than even Biden.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Government spending spiked under COVID but we know that is something that, politically, Trump was simply unable to stop from happening.
    You "know" that. I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    This is factually false. Government spending spiked under COVID but we know that is something that, politically, Trump was simply unable to stop from happening.
    He could've vetoed a spending bill. How hard it that? And spending was increasing at a faster pace than Obama's last few years before covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    He could've vetoed a spending bill. How hard it that? And spending was increasing at a faster pace than Obama's last few years before covid.
    You're technically right that he could have taken that action but it is obvious in hindsight that COVID was, indeed, one of the deadliest political traps that the Left has ever sprung. It is clear now that COVID was intended to have been the kill-blow that would have knocked America dead and rendered us helpless against the Schwab/Davos bug-eating agenda. It didn't work and, in fact, it back-fired. Pretending that that's "just another Tuesday in the Swamp" is absurd. The Ds were slavering for Trump to attempt to veto COVID funding. They would have overridden the veto (remember, most R's in Congress are RINOs) and then proceeded to dismantle every remaining vestige of legal protections for traditional American freedom. They would absolutely have turned that into the FEMA-camps scenario, starting at the crack of dawn on January 20, 2021. First into the mass graves would have been the Jan 6 prisoners, and you and I would have been a few thousand detainees further down the line. So no, I'm not going to "blame Trump" for not walking into an obvious political trap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You "know" that. I don't.
    Then you're willfully ignorant. If you cannot see that COVID was part of the deadliest attempt to destroy American freedom ever launched against We The People, you're blind and I have no remedy for you.
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Then you're willfully ignorant. If you cannot see that COVID was part of the deadliest attempt to destroy American freedom ever launched against We The People, you're blind and I have no remedy for you.
    Don't be so arrogant. Remember, pride goeth before a fall. Especially when it leads you to completely misunderstand what you think you're responding to.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-20-2024 at 06:29 AM.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    You're technically right that he could have taken that action but it is obvious in hindsight that COVID was, indeed, one of the deadliest political traps that the Left has ever sprung. It is clear now that COVID was intended to have been the kill-blow that would have knocked America dead and rendered us helpless against the Schwab/Davos bug-eating agenda. It didn't work and, in fact, it back-fired. Pretending that that's "just another Tuesday in the Swamp" is absurd. The Ds were slavering for Trump to attempt to veto COVID funding. They would have overridden the veto (remember, most R's in Congress are RINOs) and then proceeded to dismantle every remaining vestige of legal protections for traditional American freedom. They would absolutely have turned that into the FEMA-camps scenario, starting at the crack of dawn on January 20, 2021. First into the mass graves would have been the Jan 6 prisoners, and you and I would have been a few thousand detainees further down the line. So no, I'm not going to "blame Trump" for not walking into an obvious political trap.
    I'm not talking about covid. Obama increased spending by 464 billion in his 8 years. Trump increased spending by 466 billion in his first 2 years!



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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm not talking about covid.
    Subjects of sentences seem to be a problem for him. Or, at least, I've never seen him let one get in the way of a rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Subjects of sentences seem to be a problem for him. Or, at least, I've never seen him let one get in the way of a rant.
    Trump is less bad than Biden, nothing Trump did was as bad as Biden's attempt at forced vaccines, or the war in Ukraine. But dang, he signed off on doubling the size of government. I can't forgive that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Trump is less bad than Biden, nothing Trump did was as bad as Biden's attempt at forced vaccines, or the war in Ukraine. But dang, he signed off on doubling the size of government. I can't forgive that.
    They have the country fighting over which of the two worst presidents in history to reinstall.

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