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  1. #31
    It's no easy plan. Trump isn't pissing anyone off. Certainly not Israel. Not Democrats. He's not even kicking the MSM while they're down. Quite a contrast from the last two selections.

    If we're lucky people will get bored with his low-energy ass.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    We are not voting our way out of this $#@!storm.
    That is certainly so, but why not use Theire rotten system to make them have to work as tediously as possible in that sphere? It may not work out that way, but then it costs one very little to give it a swing.
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    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    We are not voting our way out of this $#@!storm.
    Pretty much. Trump supporters still haven't realized this yet.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    [...] The step where they convince us that elections are quaint anachronisms that we can't trust anyway. [...]
    Elections actually are "quaint mechanisms that we can't trust" - even when they are entirely "on the level".

    As Gideon Tucker famously wrote, "No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session" - nor while the polls are open, I would add. (Alexis de Tocqueville had a good deal more to say on the matter, as well.)

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    [...] Can the reasonable people who normally agree to disagree get together behind Kennedy? Or is that too adult a thing to expect?
    Whether it's "too adult" a thing to expect or not, it's certainly too much of a thing to expect.

    In any case, Kennedy has too much unlibertarian baggage to be anything but just another "lesser evil". However, I will gladly leave it to others to parse out to their own satisfaction which of the available evils is less than the rest. It doesn't really matter, because Anti Federalist is right: we aren't voting our way out of this - and neither Trump nor Kennedy nor anyone else is coming to save us. (If there is anything "too adult" to expect enough people to understand, I dare say it is that.)

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    It doesn't really matter, because Anti Federalist is right: we aren't voting our way out of this - and neither Trump nor Kennedy nor anyone else is coming to save us. (If there is anything "too adult" to expect enough people to understand, I dare say it is that.)
    I agree. But lots and lots of people still put stock in the things. Which is what will make it possible for the upcoming election to trigger the upheaval.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    That is certainly so, but why not use Theire rotten system to make them have to work as tediously as possible in that sphere? It may not work out that way, but then it costs one very little to give it a swing.
    I happen to agree, especially considering that no where near a sufficient number of hard men have stepped up to do their duty to the republic.

    I "support" Trump for the very same reasons you posited in your previous post.

    And I've had the very same argument with acptulsa over it.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    In any case, Kennedy has too much unlibertarian baggage to be anything but just another "lesser evil". However, I will gladly leave it to others to parse out to their own satisfaction which of the available evils is less than the rest. It doesn't really matter, because Anti Federalist is right: we aren't voting our way out of this - and neither Trump nor Kennedy nor anyone else is coming to save us. (If there is anything "too adult" to expect enough people to understand, I dare say it is that.)
    And even though I half heartedly participate, I stand by my statement.

    It's a similar state of illogical action as buying a lottery ticket. You know you won't win, you know it's a suckers game with sucker's odds, you know it's a tax on the stupid, but you just can't help plunking down 2 bucks on a chance to win a billion. A "win" that often goes wrong for the winner. But still, there's that chance.

    Maybe just a chance to buy a little more time...
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  10. #38
    All I can do is see what I see and post warning signs accordingly. Everyone requires a different amount of proof before they'll discard their outdated paradigms. And that's what the real enemy counts on, being able to delay that recognition. But maybe I can arrange for some people to see what they're up to now, before it's too late, because you can't unsee it.

    Hate to quote this guy, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
    The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise — with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”
    Last edited by acptulsa; 04-15-2024 at 08:47 AM.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    All I can do is see what I see and post warning signs accordingly. Everyone requires a different amount of proof before they'll discard their outdated paradigms. And that's what the real enemy counts on, being able to delay that recognition. But maybe I can arrange for some people to see what they're up to now, before it's too late, because you can't unsee it.
    I think we are all seeing the same things, the same warning signs, but are in disagreement and bafflement as to what they mean and how to counter them.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I think we are all seeing the same things, the same warning signs, but are in disagreement and bafflement as to what they mean and how to counter them.
    Have you studied up on the Biennio Rosso? Because that seems to be their playbook.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    In any case, Kennedy has too much unlibertarian baggage to be anything but just another "lesser evil". However, I will gladly leave it to others to parse out to their own satisfaction which of the available evils is less than the rest. It doesn't really matter, because Anti Federalist is right: we aren't voting our way out of this - and neither Trump nor Kennedy nor anyone else is coming to save us. (If there is anything "too adult" to expect enough people to understand, I dare say it is that.)
    For me, the appeal of RFK has nothing to do with his prospects of winning. We're screwed no matter who the figurehead is. For me, it's about causing the DNC heartache. I see anything that causes the machine some grief as a good thing. Their plans for us didn't include Kennedy. I'll take as many curveballs to their plans as possible.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    For me, the appeal of RFK has nothing to do with his prospects of winning. We're screwed no matter who the figurehead is. For me, it's about causing the DNC heartache. I see anything that causes the machine some grief as a good thing. Their plans for us didn't include Kennedy. I'll take as many curveballs to their plans as possible.
    Exactly. I don't think they expected American Royalty to enter the picture. They're trying to make him He Who Must Not Be Named, something they never once tried with Trump. But he's obviously still a monkey wrench in their plans. And that's something Trump does not appear to me to be.

    They need all the randomly applied monkey wrenches we can give them.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I think we are all seeing the same things, the same warning signs, but are in disagreement and bafflement as to what they mean and how to counter them.
    "One screen, two many movies."

    It all depends on what narrative "filters" one adopts.

    And such "filters" are not objectively provable.

    They are the presuppositions that make subsequent "proofs" possible.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-15-2024 at 09:16 AM.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "One screen, two many movies."
    Nearly everyone flatters themselves that they pick their news outlets because they provide hard facts. But most people seem to pick them the way they'd pick out a sim. As in, a simulated reality.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Exactly. I don't think they expected American Royalty to enter the picture. They're trying to make him He Who Must Not Be Named, something they never once tried with Trump. But he's obviously still a monkey wrench in their plans. And that's something Trump does not appear to me to be.

    They need all the randomly applied monkey wrenches we can give them.
    Well, you and I have a slightly different take on Trump. I do think Trump is a monkey wrench to their plans. I just think he's useful to them. He's shown very little inclination to reduce government power - only a strong inclination to use it. But he can't be relied upon to use it in the way they want. So, instead of ignoring him, they use him to help grow their power for the next round. It's risky, but not as risky as having a true liberty candidate start attracting people.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Well, you and I have a slightly different take on Trump. I do think Trump is a monkey wrench to their plans. I just think he's useful to them.
    It isn't so much a different take, I think, as a different definition of what is is. Or rather, a different definition of who "they" is.

    Is he a monkey wrench in the plans of the radical left, the people who are getting so much glowing press from the MSM that they look downright official? Sure. He was designed to be. I wasn't talking about the useful idiots currently "in favor".

    I'm talking about the particular " them" to whom he is indeed useful. And I think he's useful to them mainly because people believe he will eventually line the useful idiot leftists up against the wall and shoot them. That's harder to believe about a libertarian.

    They're building up one group of useful idiots, and encouraging their most idiotic behavior, and enacting their pet policies so everyone can see how short - sighted and untenable they are, giving them sanction and pointing their cameras at the most arrogant and obnoxious of them. The left is being set up for a fall.

    The key is making everyone else so mad at and paranoid of the left that those leftists who know it has gone too far too fast and are sick of the hypocrisy have no refuge. They can either convert or know that people are lusting for their blood. Because if everyone else ignored the useful idiots of both sides but the most idiotic of those same useful idiots, everyone else could agree to say, "A pox on both your houses! I don't need the existing two parties!" the way they did in 1860. The time is ripe for that to happen. The destabilization has made that more than possible.

    They would not have destabilized the country as much as they have if they didn't have a plan to keep what they think of as left leaning centrists and right leaning centrists apart. You know. Like they did with covid lockdowns. That's why they wouldn't allow anyone less polarizing to even compete for either major party nomination -- indeed, why we are now, by elaborate prearrangement executed in 2020, given the "choice" of two "incumbents".

    Can't scare the $#@! out of people with a sane candidate in the race. Got to serve mixed nuts. The two worst presidents in history.

    It's an extraordinary game in pursuit of an extraordinary goal. And it will take some genuine Christian forbearance and forgiveness to put a stop to it. So the question is, is the right Christian enough to win liberty? Because they're going to make it possible to beat the leftists soundly and lose the Constitution too, all at once. More than possible. Almost too easy.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 04-15-2024 at 10:41 AM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Have you studied up on the Biennio Rosso? Because that seems to be their playbook.
    Yes I have, and that period is similar to inter war period in Germany, especially 100 years ago, 1920 to 1930.

    The way our entire nation is being dragged into a sodomite hell like Berlin was, is also very similar.

    There are many lessons to be learned from this history.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  21. #48
    Love, like or indifferent WRT to DJT the man, this can not be written off as a Mulligan.

    Somebody must be held accountable.


    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/stat...00485043990653

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I happen to agree, especially considering that no where near a sufficient number of hard men have stepped up to do their duty to the republic.

    I "support" Trump for the very same reasons you posited in your previous post.

    And I've had the very same argument with acptulsa over it.
    I gave up there.
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Somebody must be held accountable.
    I maintain my insistence on https://freedomisobvious.blogspot.co...ment-xxix.html
    freedomisobvious.blogspot.com

    There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.

    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

    Our words make us the ghosts that we are.

    Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I gave up there.
    Yeah, I know where you're stuck at. Theye're counting on that.



    Good luck with that in this day and age.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Elections actually are "quaint mechanisms that we can't trust" - even when they are entirely "on the level".
    //

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...37915191042049


    https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...36548349693953


    "Being represented by a person one disgarees with is a contradiction in terms." -- Michael Malice

    "There is no reason whatsoever to be represented by someone you are opposed to. Elections are inherently illegitimate." -- Michael Malice

  27. #53


    And no, there's not one objective fact or standard you can use to prove Trump was one bit different from any other RINO.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And no, there's not one objective fact or standard you can use to prove Trump was one bit different from any other RINO.
    LOL

    Not even worthy of the short time it would take to refute it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    //
    He's an idiot.
    That attitude leads to the jungle of anarchy for a short period followed by being ruled by the biggest predator in the jungle who represents only himself.
    Reasonable people have to compromise with society up to a point (certain inviolable rights) in order to maintain any level of liberty and civilization.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's an idiot.
    That attitude leads to the jungle of anarchy for a short period followed by being ruled by the biggest predator in the jungle who represents only himself.
    Reasonable people have to compromise with society up to a point (certain inviolable rights) in order to maintain any level of liberty and civilization.
    LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "What are presented as the strongest critiques of anarchism are invariably descriptions of the status quo." -- Michael Malice

    https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...37467144454351



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    LOL
    LOL indeed.

    What we have now is neither as brutally violent as anarchy nor has it degenerated into total tyranny as quickly as anarchy does.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL indeed.

    What we have now is neither as brutally violent as anarchy nor has it degenerated into total tyranny as quickly as anarchy does.
    Okay.

    Have fun being "represented" by people you disagree with as a result of electoral outcomes you disagree with.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-17-2024 at 03:09 AM.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    LOL
    Why does his arson trigger Kamala Harris reactions while me fighting that same fire with that same fire result in infractions?

    [mod edit]
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-17-2024 at 06:58 AM.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why does his arson trigger Kamala Harris reactions while me fighting that same fire with that same fire result in infractions?
    (1) Because Michael Malice is not a forum member.

    (2) Because he didn't do a thing he had been previously and explicitly warned to sop doing.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-17-2024 at 07:00 AM.

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