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    EU Freakout: 'BAN Tucker Carlson Over Putin Interview!'

    EU Freakout: 'BAN Tucker Carlson Over Putin Interview!'



    Showing their disdain for journalism and fear of losing control of the narrative, leading EU politicians are calling for a travel ban on journalist Tucker Carlson over an interview he will release with Russian president Putin. And the interview is not even out yet! Also today: Rare failure of Israel funding bill in the House and McConnell losing control of Senate Republicans.
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    So much changed. In the 90's, growing up, I thought we had solved most stupid aspects of humanity to some degree, or at least were on the right way. Since I left school I figured out that it's just inherent to humans being humans. Especially in large groups.

    What the $#@!, wouldn't an interview with your 'enemy' be the most interesting thing? You may disagree with everything, but what is there to be scared about? That he may say things that sound reasonable? In that case, wouldn't that be a good opportunity for dialog and diplomacy? I guess that's not the goal then.

    It's not that difficult to see what 'the goal' of TPTB is when you logically deduce it like the above. We are obviously in need of some more war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    [W]hat is there to be scared about? That he may say things that sound reasonable?
    They are afraid of that, but they are even more afraid that other people may hear those things and think they sound reasonable - and that could be lethal to their anti-Russia propaganda.

    The core purpose of propaganda is not to persuade and foster support for X, but to isolate and neutralize opposition to X (where X is the policy/position/etc. being propagandized). That is, the core purpose of propaganda is not to get you to agree with the propaganda (if that happens, it's just icing on the cake). Rather, the core purpose of propaganda is to make you think that if you disagree with it, then you are the only one who does (or one of the very few who do), and that it is therefore pointless and futile to oppose X.

    For example, if all the "experts" agree about X, then who the hell are you to think or suggest otherwise? So if you disagree, it's best to just shut up about it, keep your head down, and go along with the crowd, or else "normal" people will think you are some kind of weird (and maybe dangerous) crank. Of course, many of those "normal" people might be thinking (or inclined to think) the same way you do, but they are also keeping their heads down for the same reason you are - and so the potential for significant and effective opposition to X is neutered, or at least greatly reduced.

    Or so the propagandists hope. But if someone with a large platform (like Tucker Carlson, for example) uses that platform to publicize anything in opposition to X, more people will realize they are not the isolated "odd men out" after all. That's why the establishment media is freaking out so hard over Carlson's interview with Putin. It would not have been a problem back in the days before the "Wild West" of social media, when they were the gatekeepers who were able to effectively curate everything most people saw, heard, or read. Beck then, they had no problems interviewing all kinds of people - Sadaam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, et al. They could completely control the framing and presentation of those interviews, and thus control what content (and even more importantly, the context of that content) people ended up seeing, hearing, or reading.

    They can't do that any more. As a result of social media, they've lost their former stranglehold over both content and context, and as a result, their propaganda is no longer nearly as effective as it used to be when it comes to isolating and neutralizing opposition.

    And they have no idea what to do about it except to desperately scream "bloody murder!" or "treason!" or the like, and demand new and draconian laws and such.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-08-2024 at 05:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And they have no idea what to do about it except to desperately scream "bloody murder!" or "treason!" or the like.
    They know what to do about it.

    When the propaganda stops working, governments don't just throw their hands up and say, "well, finally you got us, guys. Good game."
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And they have no idea what to do about it except to desperately scream "bloody murder!" or "treason!" or the like.
    They know what to do about it.
    No, they really don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    When the propaganda stops working, governments don't just throw their hands up and say, "well, finally you got us, guys. Good game."
    As I said in the edit (just a few minutes before you quoted me, so you probably missed it):
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And they have no idea what to do about it except to desperately scream "bloody murder!" or "treason!" or the like, and demand new and draconian laws and such.
    Despite whatever draconian policies they try to implement, it still won't matter in the end. They are neither omniscient nor omnipotent. They are much closer to being "little Dutch boys" frantically trying to plug an increasing number of cracks and holes as they appear in the dike - or to use another metaphor, they are playing an endless game of whack-a-mole that requires perfect or near-perfect accuracy just to break even.

    The Soviet Union, for example, had about as functional and well-oiled a propaganda machine as could be asked for, but it ultimately didn't matter - and ubiquitously inter-networked computers are many, many orders of magnitude more difficult to effectively regulate and control than the typewriters and mimeograph machines used by the producers and disseminators of samizdat.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-10-2024 at 02:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Despite whatever draconian policies they try to implement, it still won't matter in the end. They are neither omniscient nor omnipotent. They are much closer to being "little Dutch boys" frantically trying to plug an increasing number of cracks and holes as they appear in the dike - or to use another metaphor, they are playing an endless game of whack-a-mole that requires perfect or near-perfect accuracy just to break even.
    You seem to have ignored the fact that Theye have at their disposal technologies that when applied in the relevant ways, have the apparent effect of either gaining the compliance they seek, or of simply culling back the population in the billions. Do recall our ancient history lessons of the so-called "pandemic", a very clearly synthetic event wherein the vast majority of humanity complied with the most obviously and ridiculously absurd mandates. Do also hearken back to the fact that the fraud has been exposed quite neatly, and yet vast legions of the populations of men still cleave to the lies. Do note how Pfizer, for example, is now on aclarge-scale ad campaign reminding people to get the latest covid "vaccine", showing absolutely no tip of their hat to the rotten truth.

    Further consider that Theye have made very public their views on issues of population, that they view us as "useless eaters" mostly, and then consider that Theye are treacherous beyond measuring. Threaten Theire agenda, much less their existence, and that treachery will manifest in God only knows what form. Theye are sufficient masters of Hegel's dialectic, as evidenced by world events such as Domino Theory, 9/11, and so on. Theye don't need us all, just enough. Short of a disruption event not of Theire making and beyond their ability to react against sufficiently, Theye have that critical mass and stand in the shadow of no clear and present threat. Theye don't have to be omniscient or even particularly high on the IQ scale. Theye only need sufficient resources, cleverness, and raw dedication to make real whatever horrors, grand or petit, that they resolve to foist upon us. Theye have the resources, and that fact alone should lead you to some significant indigestion.

    And as to cleverness, let us be clear that even low-level intellects can be devilishly clever. My neighbor's daughter Lisa (may God bless and rest her soul in peace) was retarded due to insecticide poisoning as an infant (horrific story). She was incapable of ANY higher mental abstraction such as telling time, for example. And yet, she was indeed one of the most deviously clever children I'd ever known. I mention this only to drive home the fact that such capabilities to which I credit Themme do not perforce imply anything more than a rather low IQ underpinning. Treachery and determination speak for 99.99% of ability.

    The Soviet Union, for example, had about as functional and well-oiled a propaganda machine as could be asked for, but it ultimately didn't matter - and ubiquitously inter-networked computers are many, many orders of magnitude more difficult to effectively regulate and control than the typewriters and mimeograph machines used by the producers of samizdat.
    Au contraire, mon ami. The Soviets were embarrassingly ham-fisted where propaganda was concerned. Do not confuse pervasiveness and grim determination for polish. The rank and file soviet subject was well aware of the bull$#@! and that awareness is well nutshelled in the old quote, "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us".

    No no no... the real propaganda machine is right here in America. I will acknowledge that it is beginning to fail, but it is as yet unclear whether it will fail sufficiently. And if it does, Theye still have many options at hand.

    As to how "nervous" Theye are, that remains a matter of pure speculation. Once again I feel compelled to remind ourselves just how fond Theye are of theater - so much so I fear we can trust little to nothing of what we behold. The cancer is deep, and it is metastatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    They are afraid of that, but they are even more afraid that other people may hear those things and think they sound reasonable - and that could be lethal to their anti-Russia propaganda.
    The "anti-Russia" position is what - an artifact left over from the cold war? Possible, but unlikely. Russia appears not to be toeing the globalist line. If those appearances are not just more theater, which they may be, then we have a very likely candidate reason for EU's violent opposition to all things Russian.

    The core purpose of propaganda is not to persuade and foster support for X, but to isolate and neutralize opposition to X (where X is the policy/position/etc. being propagandized).

    A couple of observations/points. Firstly and more generally stated, the core purpose of propaganda is to get what you want. Isolation/netralization is one tactic pursuant to the broader objective. There are several basic approaches to attaining one's goals, this being one of them.

    For example, if all the "experts" agree about X, then who the hell are you to think or suggest otherwise? So if you disagree, it's best to just shut up about it, keep your head down,
    And it works like a charm. Behold, the twentieth century meaner: more stupid, docile, and lacking in any self-respect than the "ignorant" peasant of the so-called "dark ages".

    They can't do that any more. As a result of social media, they've lost their former stranglehold over both content and context, and as a result, their propaganda is no longer nearly as effective as it used to be when it comes to isolating and neutralizing opposition.
    While ponly partly true, it is nonetheless a quantum step in a direction of which They are disapprove.

    And they have no idea what to do about it except to desperately scream "bloody murder!" or "treason!" or the like, and demand new and draconian laws and such.
    And the ultimate result of all this remains to be proven. In spite of the opportunities for self-enlightenment that the network has provided, an appalling plurality of humans have chosen the path of the idiot. After all, why think for yourself when it can be done for you? Why show any trace of self-respect and control, which is usually difficult, when you can choose that which is seemingly easy, no matter that you've turned yourself into the functional and moral equivalent of a heroin-addicted street whore in her full disease-regalia?

    The mean man is a hopeless, filth-laden cur. This is the true legacy of so-called "civilization". Savages cannot become this way. They cannot afford to if they mean to survive reality beyond the idiocy-fostering gates of civilization. Freemen living in such conditions choose not to be that way. They do so because they understand the perdition to which it leads themselves, their families, their cultures, and their posterity. Our will to corruption dooms us, individually, and due to vast popularity, most likely as a species, and certainly as free beings.

    Mortem tyrannis et obedientibus.
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    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

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    EU said
    The European Commission stated that they did not hear anything new in Putin's interview with Tucker Carlson.

    A representative of the EU's foreign policy service also expressed regret that a platform was provided for this interview, which, in her assessment, contained "old false claims."
    Its pretty much clear on whose running the EU then...

    The US is.
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 02-09-2024 at 08:29 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [If]someone with a large platform (like Tucker Carlson, for example) uses that platform to publicize anything in opposition to X, more people will realize they are not the isolated "odd men out" after all. That's why the establishment media is freaking out so hard over Carlson's interview with Putin. It would not have been a problem back in the days before the "Wild West" of social media, when they were the gatekeepers who were able to effectively curate everything most people saw, heard, or read. Back then, they had no problems interviewing all kinds of people - Sadaam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, et al. They could completely control the framing and presentation of those interviews, and thus control what content (and even more importantly, the context of that content) people ended up seeing, hearing, or reading.

    They can't do that any more. As a result of social media, they've lost their former stranglehold over both content and context, and as a result, their propaganda is no longer nearly as effective as it used to be when it comes to isolating and neutralizing opposition.

    And they have no idea what to do about it except to desperately scream "bloody murder!" or "treason!" or the like, and demand new and draconian laws and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    For one thing, I think the campaign was ill-conceived in the first place due to the lies being so wildly outrageous that Theye were unable to keep lids on them. The truth got out, I would estimate, largely because those who at first may have been on board with the general plot, upon seeing that it was not what they'd initially thought, chose truth over being implicated in the lies that resulted in many deaths. I'm thinking that the lower echelon sorts who'd signed on only due to the deceit, decided at one point not to be further associated due to either moral issues or the fact that they didn't want to find themselves behind the cross-hairs in case it all blew up, which it basically has.

    In time, even the relatively ill-endowed intellect of the meaner began in many cases twigging to the scandalous truths that were coming to light. I'd call the pandemic a grossly mismanaged affair, if appearances are to be taken as sound at their cores, which I cannot quite bring myself to do.
    I certainly can't.

    These are eugenicists. Remember those rocks in Georgia. They don't want to wipe humanity out completely, they just want to cut it down to a downright lonely half a million. And they're eugenicists.

    Now. Apply the model that the jab was an intelligence test and tell me what pieces of the puzzle don't fit. Cats could resist the psyop. Sheep couldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I certainly can't.

    These are eugenicists. Remember those rocks in Georgia. They don't want to wipe humanity out completely, they just want to cut it down to a downright lonely half a million. And they're eugenicists.

    Now. Apply the model that the jab was an intelligence test and tell me what pieces of the puzzle don't fit. Cats could resist the psyop. Sheep couldn't.
    We do not disagree.
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