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    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    People tried to warn you...God knows people tried to warn you about all of this.

    https://twitter.com/jlawrencenc/stat...84330589720614

    If this was simply about NATO expansion there would be no conflict right now. Even without the NATO expansion, this conflict could be happening right now.

    NATO has been on Russia's borders for many years now already. He didn't invade those countries.

    This conflict is far more about issues specific to Ukraine than it is about NATO expansion in a general sense.

    "NATO expansion" is just a narrative that makes sense to western audiences which is why it gets replayed constantly, even by Tucker.
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  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If this was simply about NATO expansion there would be no conflict right now. Even without the NATO expansion, this conflict could be happening right now.

    NATO has been on Russia's borders for many years now already. He didn't invade those countries.

    This conflict is far more about issues specific to Ukraine than it is about NATO expansion in a general sense.

    "NATO expansion" is just a narrative that makes sense to western audiences which is why it gets replayed constantly, even by Tucker.
    What NATO/US govt are doing isnt different what from the Nazis had tried to do with operation barbarossa.

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    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-12-2024 at 12:54 AM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If this was simply about NATO expansion there would be no conflict right now. Even without the NATO expansion, this conflict could be happening right now.

    NATO has been on Russia's borders for many years now already. He didn't invade those countries.

    This conflict is far more about issues specific to Ukraine than it is about NATO expansion in a general sense.

    "NATO expansion" is just a narrative that makes sense to western audiences which is why it gets replayed constantly, even by Tucker.
    No, that's not right. Europe and the US constantly talked about Ukraine joining NATO after the coup so NATO expansion, into Ukraine, is and was a huge issue for Russia. They will not tolerate it.

    In 2014, Putin said he would never have tolerated NATO in Crimea so he felt they had designs on that territory. I believe he's right because also in 2014, I saw one of those bid things on the .gov site that puts contracts up to bid on and it was for the remodeling of a school in Sevastopol for the US Navy! The date of the contract specs was prior to the coup so even before the govt was overthrown, that was in planning stages. When Russia moved in and secured the peninsula and they had the referendum, the bid was taken down.
    You've got Sharia patrols in the USA..?

    No, not in America, only in the big cities. there are no americans there, only democrats.

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    No, that's not right. Europe and the US constantly talked about Ukraine joining NATO after the coup so NATO expansion, into Ukraine, is and was a huge issue for Russia. They will not tolerate it.

    In 2014, Putin said he would never have tolerated NATO in Crimea so he felt they had designs on that territory. I believe he's right because also in 2014, I saw one of those bid things on the .gov site that puts contracts up to bid on and it was for the remodeling of a school in Sevastopol for the US Navy! The date of the contract specs was prior to the coup so even before the govt was overthrown, that was in planning stages. When Russia moved in and secured the peninsula and they had the referendum, the bid was taken down.
    You nailed it. In this interview, Putin came as close as he'll ever come to saying on camera why Russia has taken the actions it has taken. It's not complicated when you think about it. Just reverse the situation. Suppose that Russia staged a political coup in Mexico and used CIA color-revolution techniques like Maidan to put Mexico under the control of a Russophile regime. What would the US response be? Well, DC would probably just flip out and start nuking the entire planet, because they're a bunch of maniacs with their fingers on the global-annihilation button, with an ego the size of the Andromeda Galaxy, and the sheer insult of Russia doing that would send them into orbit. But assuming that DC was actually rational (hahahahaha!!), the simplest and most direct response would be to directly undo whatever Russia had done, using essentially the same methods that Russia had used, but with the insuperable advantage of territorial proximity. Since Mexico is our backyard, we could easily and persistently infiltrate the Mexican political establishment using the broad palette of intelligence-agency techniques. Then, when the time was right, we could pull the carpet out from under the alien regime installed by Russia. People keep talking about the Donbass as though it's a "territorial expansion", which is absurd. Nothing has actually changed except that Kiev can't bark orders at the Donbass, and Russia is presumably handling their border security, etc. No, the Donbass is the other jaw of a pincer movement, the other jaw being invisible and, thus, there really isn't evidence of it but I'm sure CIA/NATO feel its effects constantly. If Moscow were to simply hand out bribes in Kiev, like the old days, this would have been ineffective since the Maidan coup gave CIA/NATO hard cover against Russian influence in Kiev. Thus, they had to force Kiev to go in two directions simultaneously, both in Kiev and in Donbass. If Kiev turns its full attention on driving Moscow's soft influence out of Kiev, Their eastern border will move even further west, to the Dnipr. If they turn all their attention on the Donbass, Kiev itself will be seized by a political coup. By forcing Kiev (that is, CIA/NATO) constantly on this dilemma, Moscow has systematically undone the Maidan and what Putin really means by "de-nazification" is making sure that nothing like this can ever happen again. Moscow obviously prefers to achieve this goal in a multi-lateral fashion, sitting down to negotiate a diplomatic agreement. But that is too tall an order for the CIA/NATO ego -- they can't accept that they are being outplayed like novices playing chess against a grandmaster. In 2014, they got the drop on Moscow and delivered a near-knockout blow from ambush. Hyped on the ego-boost from that "success", they've continued to press into the insanity of their failed strategy despite a growing cascade of losses and ever-mounting geopolitical costs. Yes, they "sanctioned" Russia -- the geopolitical equivalent of calling your opponent an ugly goose -- but Russia can deliver insults, too. I'm sure they're served nice and cold, as all revenge ought to be.

    CIA's perennial mistake has been its willingness to cooperate with evil people "for good purposes". You don't cooperate with the Nazis for any purpose, no matter how noble. And when you join forces with the Nazis, expect to reap the whirlwind. Which CIA/NATO have been doing for years now, and only continue falling down the stairs harder and faster...
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 02-12-2024 at 02:54 AM.
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  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    No, that's not right. Europe and the US constantly talked about Ukraine joining NATO after the coup so NATO expansion, into Ukraine, is and was a huge issue for Russia. They will not tolerate it.
    Into Ukraine are the key words, however. More specifically, into eastern Ukraine. NATO expansion in general, is not Putin's motivation for this conflict, and even NATO expansion into western Ukraine is not the issue here.

    My point was, and I don't see anything that contradicts it in your post, is that the issues at hand here are very specific to Ukraine. This isn't simply about missile proximity to Moscow or Russia would have invaded Latvia long ago. If someone wants to say "NATO expansion into Ukraine" is a motivation for the conflict, that is a whole lot closer, but even that's not quite accurate:

    If NATO didn't exist, but the conditions in Ukraine were otherwise the same (e.g., Nazi's shelling Donbass), this conflict would have still happened.

    NATO expansion adds context to this conflict but it is not a direct motivation for Putin's invasion.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 02-12-2024 at 10:42 AM.
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  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    People keep talking about the Donbass as though it's a "territorial expansion", which is absurd.
    It's not that absurd. Donbass is after all a declared official part of Russia now.

    While I applaud Putin for his stated goals of the operation, namely upholding the sovereignty of the Donbass region, even I am not so naive to believe that there werent strategic land-grab motivations involved.

    But as long as the territory being land-grabbed is doing so voluntarily, shrug, I see no issue with that.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 02-12-2024 at 10:33 AM.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    But as long as the territory being land-grabbed is doing so voluntarily, shrug, I see no issue with that.
    And, technically, it's not a "land-grab" in that case, since a territory has the natural right to belong to a different polity if it wants to (doctrine of secession).

    That Putin is replying to Western insanity with rational moves made in the interests of Russia should not be distressing to anyone. That our political leadership and intelligence agencies sincerely believe that Putin will reply with something other than rational moves made in the interests of Russia should be distressing to everyone. They are either incompetent morons, or delusional schizophrenics, or both. That should be distressing... yet we keep right on re-electing them. We The People have gone into fever-delusions and we are begging for the rudest of all awakenings...
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    ETA - This is really worth a watch.


    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...17841151557943

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-12-2024 at 03:09 PM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    ETA - This is really worth a watch.


    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...17841151557943

    Nice! I love to see Tucker interacting with people outside of the US and that's he's getting this huge exposure. I know it infuriates the mainstream media whores which is even better. He gave good answers about war and how a country is either making things better or wrecking them. I also like his take on humility and those who know they're not God vs those who think they are - and the globalists DO think they are. George Soros even said it about himself, outright: "I see myself as some kind of a god". He then followed by saying he wondered if he was mad, because madness runs in his family, but had become comfortable with it because he made enough money to do as he wanted.
    You've got Sharia patrols in the USA..?

    No, not in America, only in the big cities. there are no americans there, only democrats.

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    He then followed by saying he wondered if he was mad, because madness runs in his family, but had become comfortable with it because he made enough money to do as he wanted.
    That certainly explains how "love of money is the root of all evil" works.

    I think the phrase is, "Curiously self-absorbed".

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That certainly explains how "love of money is the root of all evil" works.

    I think the phrase is, "Curiously self-absorbed".
    He actually said something akin to that, too. It was along the lines of "I'm not the philanthropist everyone thinks I am" and said it was a facade he created and was comfortable with, along with he was actually very self centered. Unbeknownst to him I guess, he described textbook narcissistic personality disorder. His type (narcs and psychopaths), unfortunately, rise to the top because of an insatiable lust for power, their extreme ambition and no conscience. Now, combine that with the fact that half of the planet are NPCs, another, probably 30% also having some kind of disorder (the minions) and you can see why we are where we are. Life on earth, basically.
    You've got Sharia patrols in the USA..?

    No, not in America, only in the big cities. there are no americans there, only democrats.

  16. #134
    Moscow needs some diversity.

    https://twitter.com/simonateba/statu...80479700865479


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