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    Trump BACKTRACKS On Guarantee To End Ukraine War!



    At a recent campaign event, Donald Trump told followers that he was NATO’s greatest hero and that if elected he would persuade the U.S.’s European allies to beef up their funding for the Ukraine War to match what the U.S. currently spends.
    Why are we supposed to vote for this piece of Shiite?
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Why are we supposed to vote for this piece of Shiite?
    Because he's going to make everyone else pay for our empire?

    Because he's so good at promising everyone everything, no matter how much he contradicts himself?

    Because do as you're told, prole?

    No, that's not it. Because the lesser evil isn't as bad as Lucifer's Main Man Biden, and if we don't vote for the second worst president in history we'll still be stuck with the worst as apparently third party votes don't get counted and that's apparently the way everyone feels it should be.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-05-2024 at 07:12 AM.

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    Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what these orange d1ck-polishers will come up with in response.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    You know, the orange apologists are always saying hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils...seriously, there is no lesser. It's all full blown evil.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what these orange d1ck-polishers will come up with in response.
    They won't. There's nothing they do so well as avoiding facts that contradict their unicorn farts. They haven't touched this thread, and they're not going to.

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    The pretense that the orange are liberty minded is just one big lie. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. Yet they pretend, come to think of it, they have a lot in common with transsexuals, they pretend also.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They won't. There's nothing they do so well as avoiding facts that contradict their unicorn farts. They haven't touched this thread, and they're not going to.
    As a "moderate" Trump supporter, why should I dip into this thread, to argue about $#@! that has been argued about a thousand times already, and listen to the OP call me a tranny $#@!?

    $#@! him and his thread.

    If Trump openly pledges more money to Ukraine, then maybe I'll change my mind.

    And with that said, I'm out.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Of course he does. He just lost an 80 million dollar judgment and is about to lose his real estate business. He needs income and Ukraine isn't shy with the bribes. Worked for Biden.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    If Trump openly pledges...
    ... what difference could that possibly make? He has spent his entire political career promising everyone everything.

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    Well Trump's biggest mistake as president was he ordered a airstrike to kill an Iranian general who fought agaisnt ISIS and other Jihadist Sunni Groups in Syria that alone likely shows he brought in all the wrong people into the white house when it comes to foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    As a "moderate" Trump supporter, why should I dip into this thread, to argue about $#@! that has been argued about a thousand times already, and listen to the OP call me a tranny $#@!?

    $#@! him and his thread.

    If Trump openly pledges more money to Ukraine, then maybe I'll change my mind.

    And with that said, I'm out.
    Me thinks thou doth protest to much.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Maybe Trump will give you that hand/reach around you have been going on about.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    So why should we vote?
    Hold that thought...
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They won't. There's nothing they do so well as avoiding facts that contradict their unicorn farts. They haven't touched this thread, and they're not going to.

    They didn't back in 2017 either:


    - December 2017 - Trump Gives Green Light To Selling Lethal Arms To Ukraine

    - March 2018 - The Trump Administration Completed The Sale Of Javelins To Ukraine

    - October 2019 - Trump Admin Approves New Sale Of Anti-Tank Weapons To Ukraine



    President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy looks on during a meeting in New York on September 25, 2019, on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.


    It's all here:

    Donald Trump On The Record
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    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what these orange d1ck-polishers will come up with in response.
    I’ve already lost a lot of respect after reading your posts. This one takes the cake. Somehow a fellow liberty minded person who supports trump in the next election slobbers dick?

    Here’s my positive spin- maybe trump can’t fully control what the legislature authorizes spending on regarding Ukraine, but it would be nice to see other countries in NATO take some of the burden of cost. Would be nice to see leadership. Trumps not perfect but neither am I. he’s getting my vote.
    No - No - No - No
    2016



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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I’ve already lost a lot of respect after reading your posts. This one takes the cake. Somehow a fellow liberty minded person who supports trump in the next election slobbers dick?

    Here’s my positive spin- maybe trump can’t fully control what the legislature authorizes spending on regarding Ukraine, but it would be nice to see other countries in NATO take some of the burden of cost. Would be nice to see leadership. Trumps not perfect but neither am I. he’s getting my vote.

    Now here is a liberty lover, he says so.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    You know, the orange apologists are always saying hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils...seriously, there is no lesser. It's all full blown evil.
    Exactly. Tired of the mental gymnastics

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    Basically he's talking about the military spending in form of NATO just like all the other times.

    He knows that Europe is not going to shoulder the level of costs the US contributes.

    Trump is not for this aid to Ukraine. He wasn't even for previous wartime aid to Ukraine.

    Trump Urges Republicans To Kill Ukraine Aid Bill


    https://www.barrons.com/news/trump-u...-bill-a93dd1d4

    ""Don't be STUPID!!! We need a separate Border and Immigration Bill. It should not be tied to foreign aid in any way, shape, or form!" said Trump.

    (unlike the GOP's attempt to segregate Israel 17.8 Billion package instead of the Border)
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    Somehow a fellow liberty minded person who supports trump in the next election slobbers dick?
    There are one hell of a lot of not-so-liberty-minded people, some here, who certainly do just that, figuratively speaking. Yes. I don't see where he said every supporter of The Lesser Evil At All Cost fits that description. Seems to me only he can tell you if he feels that way.

    We have bigger problems than trying to stick someone else with the bill we're running up trying to flatten Ukraine so the Bidens, Clintons, Romneys et al can get more royalties for gas, though. We really do. But, hey. If all we're capable of doing is trying to bail out the Titanic's hold with a bucket line, then I'll see you in the frigid water.

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    My words might seem harsh, but some people require a rhetorical punch in the mouth before they will question their delusions.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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    I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.
    Uh huh.

    And then, we could just stop, like Trump said back when he was talking out of the other side of his ass. Nothing would give those people more incentive to resolve the differences the CIA stirred up between them because there's gas under their ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I’ve already lost a lot of respect after reading your posts. This one takes the cake. Somehow a fellow liberty minded person who supports trump in the next election slobbers dick?
    If he didn't have a track record then your indignation would come across as a bit more righteous. As it is, you're basically claiming to be a rank-and-file conservative who considers the "proper" use of the overblown standing army and the fiat machine to be just fine. As long as you have cheap gas, it doesn't matter. That's the position Trump personifies in both word and deed.
    Oh, and something about liberty, because otherwise we'd lose Pennsylvania again, or some $#@!.

    Here’s my positive spin- maybe trump can’t fully control what the legislature authorizes spending on regarding Ukraine, but it would be nice to see other countries in NATO take some of the burden of cost. Would be nice to see leadership. Trumps not perfect but neither am I. he’s getting my vote.
    You know what Trump can do as president? He can order all our military forces home, immediately. Then he can go to the legislature and say "this isn't happening so $#@! off" and if they impeach him, it can be a real impeachment hearing about something that actually happened. And the military isn't going to do anything until the impeachment hearing is over.
    If he was anti-war, this would be the pretty obvious low-hanging-fruit option. The war would at least not happen for a year.
    But he's not anti-war. He's not going to trade his career for anyone's life. We heard for a year under HIS watch that "if it saves just one life" we should give up our own lives. I guess that really only matters when it's big pharma dick getting slobbered.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I watched the clip. He said if the EU is in for $20B, then the US should only be in for $20, but instead we are in for $200B+ and that is "stupid". If he were to force the EU to contribute more, they would be more inclined to a peace deal. As long as the USA is paying the vast majority of the cost, they have no incentive to resolve the dispute. He is saying that changes with his administration and we will not be taken advantage of. That will immediately change the calculation and bring Ukraine to peace talks.
    You're no rock n' roll fun.. I wanted to come in here and say something nasty about Donald Trump. Now THAT'S fun!

    You just had to come in and be reasonable and intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    You know, the orange apologists are always saying hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils...seriously, there is no lesser. It's all full blown evil.
    Are you having a forum conversation with yourself?
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    As a "moderate" Trump supporter, why should I dip into this thread, to argue about $#@! that has been argued about a thousand times already, and listen to the OP call me a tranny $#@!?

    $#@! him and his thread.

    If Trump openly pledges more money to Ukraine, then maybe I'll change my mind.

    And with that said, I'm out.
    C'mon bro, you've got to vote for the Satanic, pedophilic, communists who want you dead, or the no-hope, unprincipled Libertarian who wants to import a billion people who oppose libertarian ideology. Or maybe RFK, but we know how that will turn out. You're a tranny $#@! if you don't! A border is $#@!ing statist, bro!
    Last edited by Philhelm; 02-05-2024 at 10:50 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    C'mon bro, you've got to vote for the Satanic, pedophilic, communists who want you dead, or the no-hope, unprincipled Libertarian who wants to import a billion people who oppose libertarian ideology. Or maybe RFK, but we know how that will turn out. You're a tranny $#@! if you don't! A border is $#@!ing statist, bro!
    I haven't had anyone to vote for in 14 years and neither have you.
    Unless you want to cop to actually voting for someone, that is.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There are one hell of a lot of not-so-liberty-minded people, some here, who certainly do just that, figuratively speaking. Yes. I don't see where he said every supporter of The Lesser Evil At All Cost fits that description. Seems to me only he can tell you if he feels that way.

    We have bigger problems than trying to stick someone else with the bill we're running up trying to flatten Ukraine so the Bidens, Clintons, Romneys et al can get more royalties for gas, though. We really do. But, hey. If all we're capable of doing is trying to bail out the Titanic's hold with a bucket line, then I'll see you in the frigid water.
    If this is the one issue that I’m worried about then maybe I’d stick my vote somewhere else. It’s not. And the things I care about guide my decisions.
    No - No - No - No
    2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I haven't had anyone to vote for in 14 years and neither have you.
    Unless you want to cop to actually voting for someone, that is.
    Seems to me like Revelation is all about people being hypocrites. I don't know what else the devil has in mind, but if he can make everyone such hypocrites that they're really voting for one of these proven losers, one of these demons, he can keep a whole lot of us out of heaven.

    If we were in tune with God we'd find somebody else to elect and do it. But most people have to stumble through this with blinders on, because thinking, talking to each other, agreeing, minding the polls ourselves, and seeing that our will is done, might entail some effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    If this is the one issue that I’m worried about then maybe I’d stick my vote somewhere else. It’s not. And the things I care about guide my decisions.
    You conveniently don't mention what they are. Obviously you've hung around here enough to know that we have better answers than Trump for those, too. Unless it's your Raytheon or Burisma stock price you're talking about.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-05-2024 at 11:08 AM.

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