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    Thumbs down Senate releases $118 billion bipartisan aid proposal for Israel, Ukraine, border security

    Ukraine gets $60 Billion more in funding than the borders.

    The Bill is ridiculous. This bill screams more support for Zelensky,Ukraine than the southern borders.
    Israel gets 14 Billion.

    They wont accept that the Ukrainian forces haven't had any successful counter offensive since summer. Instated of worrying of the borders they are stealing 60 Billions and giving it to Ukraine.

    Its amusing that they want deter aggression by the Chinese government while China is surrounded by US forces.
    The $118.28 billion security package includes.
    $60.06 Billion to support Ukraine as it fights back agaisnt Putin's invasion and protects its people and sovereignty.

    4.83 billion to support key regional partners in the Indo pacific to deter aggression by the Chinese government.
    $2.33 Billion to continue support for Ukrainians displaced by Putin's war of aggression and other refuges fleeing prosecution
    $20 billion for borders




    Senate releases $118 billion bipartisan aid proposal for Israel, Ukraine, border security



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    These people are actively destroying America. It is intentional. They are compromised, paid off puppets.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    We seriously need to bring back single-issue bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    These people are actively destroying America. It is intentional. They are compromised, paid off puppets.
    Of course it is intentional. It always is. Obviously I am against the whole entire thing. But I am curious... are you upset that the bill was passed? Or are you upset because $20 Billion isn't enough for the border?


    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    This immigrant crisis is being coordinated. It is designed to cause Americans to sacrifice more liberty (just like 9-11) in order to implement more security. I simply am not falling for their tactics. The money going out as incentives, as much as I abhor it, is nothing compared to what it will cost in liberty AND money to build their walls, implement biometric-security, aerial-drones and cameras on every street corner, expansion of the Constitution-Free-Zone, not to mention the strain that it will put on AG/cattle-ranching, to empower the globalist corporations (synthetic meat and protein-bugs).

    It is also designed so that government will have more of a strangle-hold on more small/medium businesses; who they can/can't hire, dictate salaries/minimum-wage, and other government conditions. The small/medium companies suffer, the globalist corporations will dominate. This will set up a permanent public/private system = Fascism at its finest.

    If the politicians were actually serious about this "crisis", they would simply stop giving tax-payer money to the immigrants as incentives, and stop giving tax-payer money to the NGO's and contractors who are coordinating and profiting by these transports. And rather than the American people demanding more anti-liberty and astronomical costly measures, they would/should be all over the politicians that they put into office and demand stop-payment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Of course it is intentional. It always is. Obviously I am against the whole entire thing. But I am curious... are you upset that the bill was passed? Or are you upset because $20 Billion isn't enough for the border?
    60 Billion more and 2 Billion extra for Ukraine arent you upset about this how obsessed they are of their "fantasies" to destroy Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    60 Billion more and 2 Billion extra for Ukraine arent you upset about this how obsessed they are of their "fantasies" to destroy Russia?
    I am against the whole GD thing being passed. Every single bit of it, no exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    These people are actively destroying America. It is intentional. They are compromised, paid off puppets.
    Destroyed.

    We are conquered, armed to the teeth and too chicken $#@! to fire a single shot in our defense.

    When they arm the unwholesome flood to mop us up, nobody will do anything then, either.
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    https://twitter.com/America1stLegal/...15351855100084

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://twitter.com/America1stLegal/...15351855100084

    https://twitter.com/lindyli/status/1...7Ctwgr%5Etweet


    Claims that Rand Paul was hand-delivered a note from Trump to Putin...
    No proof of course.

    Mike Johnson is killing Ukraine aid
    The $60 Billions more for dancing Zelensky...
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 02-05-2024 at 12:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Of course it is intentional. It always is. Obviously I am against the whole entire thing. But I am curious... are you upset that the bill was passed? Or are you upset because $20 Billion isn't enough for the border?
    passed ? the bill hasn't even been voted on in the Senate..

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    Meanwhile in the House:

    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...89997004865870
    to: https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...35675768938847


    "disingenuous piece of anti-Semitic filth" just doesn't have the same punchy ring to it as "third-rate grandstander"

    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...64595273752866
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-05-2024 at 03:28 AM.

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    Your Semitic if you dont help our hero zelensky

    zelensky needs 60 Billion..


    This bill is a huge middle finger to the American people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Meanwhile in the House:

    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...89997004865870
    to: https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...35675768938847


    "disingenuous piece of anti-Semitic filth" just doesn't have the same punchy ring to it as "third-rate grandstander"

    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...64595273752866
    WOW.

    Massie just went balls deep.

    God bless this man.

    People better show their support.

    Will post my campaign contribution receipt.
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    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1754350527477842006
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    https://twitter.com/SpeakerJohnson/s...33708193091928
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1754350527477842006
    When will the usual suspects in the Senate like schiff,Cotton and others realize they arent able to militarily defeat agaisnt a nation like Russia?
    Even if they arm and continue to fund Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/SpeakerJohnson/s...33708193091928


    hand clap'

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    When will the usual suspects in the Senate like schiff,Cotton and others realize they arent able to militarily defeat agaisnt a nation like Russia?
    What makes you think they want to "militarily defeat [...] Russia"?

    They just want to funnel money into the pockets of their MIC cronies (and thence, into their own portfolios).

    If they ended up actually "defeating" anyone, then they'd have less of an excuse to continue doing that.

    (Afghanistan didn't drag out as long as it did because they were determined to "defeat" somebody.)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-05-2024 at 02:45 PM.

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    imagine if Kevin McCarty was still House speaker... he would be championing this bill just like McConnell and strong arming Republicans to fall in line and it would get passed. Mike Johnson is an upgrade, that is for sure.

    Mike Lee has called for new leadership in the senate and to overthrow McConnell. Where's Rand??
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    What makes you think they want to "militarily defeat [...] Russia"?

    They just want to funnel money into the pockets of their MIC cronies (and thence, into their own portfolios).

    If they ended up actually "defeating" anyone, then they'd have less of an excuse to continue doing that.

    (Afghanistan didn't drag out as long as it did because they were determined to "defeat" somebody.)

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    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...51782909571445


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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...51782909571445

    Not sure how this bill is going to make any difference.


    Ukraine is still not going to win agaisnt a Nuclear powered Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...51782909571445

    Someone might want to inform Schumer that Ukraine has already lost the war.
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    https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...34207105486887

    No worries everyone. It's probably a great bill. Dan Crenshaw is going to read the bill and let us know if it's a good deal:

    "But I will not reactively be AGAINST something that (1) I haven’t examined closely and (2) actually decreases illegal immigration."

    Translation: "I love foreign aid, so that part is fine. If it actually decrease illegal immigration by making them all legal, I'll call that a win too."
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...34207105486887

    No worries everyone. It's probably a great bill. Dan Crenshaw is going to read the bill and let us know if it's a good deal:

    "But I will not reactively be AGAINST something that (1) I haven’t examined closely and (2) actually decreases illegal immigration."

    Translation: "I love foreign aid, so that part is fine. If it actually decrease illegal immigration by making them all legal, I'll call that a win too."
    That should be the default position to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    That should be the default position to take.
    Seems reasonable. Eyepatch McCain likes to put on the moderate act.

    But IMHO, considering how DC and Congress work, my default position is to be against whatever they push out of the backrooms.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Mitch McConnell Turns Against Border Bill

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...s-border-bill/

    BRADLEY JAYE 5 Feb 2024

    Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) made the shocking decision to recommend Republicans block the advancement of the Senate pro-migration border bill.

    That first procedural vote was set for Wednesday. It is unknown if Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) will forge ahead, although that is likely.

    McConnell cited the overwhelming number of Senate Republicans planning to vote against the measure either on substance or because they wanted more time, according to Punchbowl News.

    The longtime Republican leader has spoken in favor of the deal and did not express any personal hesitations about the legislation to his colleagues.

    According to Punchbowl, McConnell said the political mood in the country has changed since negotiations began months ago. At that time, McConnell and Democrat leaders agreed to pair foreign aid to Ukraine, of which McConnell is the Senate’s greatest champion, with a border compromise.

    Democrats, although also generally in favor of aiding Ukraine’s stalemated war against Russia, used McConnell’s fervor for Ukraine aid against Republicans, dangling a proposed border compromise in exchange for aiding the European nation.

    Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) touted his close work with McConnell on the deal. “I have never worked more closely with Leader McConnell on any piece of legislation as we did on this,” Schumer told reporters on Sunday.

    Leaked details of the secretive deal, which McConnell’s chosen Republican lead negotiator Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) and other allies denied, were confirmed Sunday upon the bill’s release. The overwhelming opposition led to McConnell altering his plan Monday night.

    Even Lankford, who continued championing the deal leading up to Monday night’s Senate Republican Conference meeting, would not say after the meeting if he would vote to move forward Wednesday on the deal he negotiated, according to the Huffington Post.

    The plan would set into law many of the open border pro-migration policies Biden has instituted that have led to a wave of migration that has overwhelmed law enforcement at the southern border.

    This is a developing story.
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    Bipartisan “Border” Deal—Mostly Funding Wars Abroad—Exposes DC’s Real Priorities. Plus: Media Meltdown Over Tucker’s Putin Interview | SYSTEM UPDATE #224
    https://rumble.com/v4btc2o-system-update-show-224.html
    {Glenn Greenwald | 06 February 2024}


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    CLIP from SYSTEM UPDATE #224:

    Sham $118 Billion "Border" Deal Exposes DC's Rotted Priorities
    https://rumble.com/v4bzyrx-sham-118-...riorities.html
    {Glenn Greenwald | 07 February 2024}




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