Does anyone on here think President Trump was a dictator or will become one if re-electe

[RonPaulRocksMyWorld]

Serious question because I know a lot of people on this site hate Trump and many support him. Given past results, does anyone here actually think that if re-elected that President Trump (Grover 2.0) would actually act like or become a dictator this time around?

Figured out how to make a poll. So the question is answered "Yes" if you think Trump was a dictator in his last term as well. Thanks!

[Anti Federalist]

The dictatorship is already here.

[ClaytonB]

The dictatorship is already here.

Been here for some time.

The Liberty Tree is long overdue for some watering...

[TheCount]

His corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.

[CaptUSA]

His corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.

You mean his attempts to point out a corrupt election???

I'm no fan of Trump, but let's be real here... the 2020 election was a farce. (most of them are - but that one took the cake)

[oyarde]

Just to bring everyone back to reality just remind them that chuck schumer will be running the senate , you know the face of the slavery party that cant define a woman , that brought you WW1 . WW2 , THE FED RESERVE , MEDICARE, obama care and increased IRS budgets..... So , do you think Chuck will allow trump to run things how he'd like ? If so it is him the Bolsheviks should remove.

[TheCount]

You mean his attempts to point out a corrupt election???

I'm no fan of Trump, but let's be real here... the 2020 election was a farce. (most of them are - but that one took the cake)

Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?

[ClaytonB]

Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?

What are you on about? To what historical event is this supposed to be a reference?!

[dannno]

Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?

No, but it would be legal for them to go back to the state legislators to verify that they agree with what the Governor certified.

[TheCount]

No, but it would be legal for them to go back to the state legislators to verify that they agree with what the Governor certified.

This you?

VP Nixon picked Kennedy in 1960, for example.

If they can legally do it with 3 electors in an election where it doesn't change anything, what makes you think they can't do it with more electors in an election where it would change the outcome?

Also, this was done once or twice in the 1800s, and even once in the 1700s.

[Snowball]

Been here for some time.

The Liberty Tree is long overdue for some watering...

Nope. It died.

You have to plant another one.

[Cleaner44]

His corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.

That would make his the weakest dictator in world history, given that he left DC after serving 1 term. That was after our nation had the most concentrated election fraud that we have seen since Ron Paul got screwed in the 2007 primary. Certainly you remember that and Black Box Voting don't you? I'm sorry, I forgot you weren't here back then. Were you old enough to vote for McCain at that time?

[dannno]

This you?

It's all part of the same process. They were initiating a legal process. You are bat$#@! crazy for thinking anything otherwise.

[TheCount]

That would make his the weakest dictator in world history, given that he left DC after serving 1 term.

Yes, that's exactly my point, thank you. That's why I used the word "tendency."

He and his administration advocated a legal interpretation which means that the executive branch has the sole authority to choose the next president.

What would you call a system where each executive gets to choose the next executive?

That was after our nation had the most concentrated election fraud that we have seen since Ron Paul got screwed in the 2007 primary.

Fraud so concentrated that Trump himself chose to pocket the vast majority of the "stop the steal" donations rather than put up any legal fight?

Fraud so obvious that precisely zero people have been able to prove any in any court of law despite dozens of attempts?

Fraud so incredible that only the three greatest legal minds of our time, Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, and Lin Wood, were willing to go to bat against it?


And yes, I was of voting age in 2008, though I didn't vote.

[Occam's Banana]

[Anti Globalist]

No because he's never going to be president again.

[ClaytonB]

No because he's never going to be president again.

Washington Post seems to be worried...

[Occam's Banana]

[Trump's] corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.

With rare exceptions (such as Coolidge and ... ummmm ... well, such as Coolidge), every president since at least (and, of course, including) Lincoln has exhibited such a "tendency" to some degree or another. Two of the most notable were the Roosevelts, Theodore and Franklin (one being a Republican and the other a Democrat, should anyone still be laboring labor under the illusion that this is a partisan phenomenon). Treating Trump as if he is somehow special or different in this regard (either for better or worse) ultimately just boils down to personality-cult bull$#@!.

The source of the "tendency" is the system itself. The system evolves the personages, not the other way around. Like the modern U.S., the late Roman Republic was a basket case of dysfunctions. Several men, each in his own way, tried to "fix" it. Sulla became dictator in the name of preserving the Roman Republic in defiance of its circumstances. He failed. Julius Caesar became dictator in the name of adjusting the Republic to its circumstances. He failed, too (and got merked, to boot). Octavian became imperator (turbo-dictator) and delivered the Republic its coup de grâce - because he understood that the Republic's gig was finally up. Republics (at least the overweeningly expansive ones) become empires - and it takes an emperor to rule an empire.

Whether someone - Trump, or anyone else - becomes "dictator" of America (formally, or de facto) has relatively little to do with the "tendencies" of the person himself, and far more to do with the nature and "logic" of culturally-multifarious, continent(s)-spanning republics-cum-empires.

[CaptUSA]

Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?

[acptulsa]

Trump fan fiction be like...

[nobody's_hero]

Fraud so obvious that precisely zero people have been able to prove any in any court of law despite dozens of attempts?

Why do you keep repeating this MSM talking point? If the courts won't even hear a case, you don't get a chance to "prove it in a court of law".

Baseball game gets cancelled due to weather, do you just automatically count it as a win for your team?

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Trump fan fiction be like...

eagles have elevated status.

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Why do you keep repeating this MSM talking point? If the courts won't even hear a case, you don't get a chance to "prove it in court of law".

Baseball game gets cancelled due to weather, do you just automatically count it as a win for your team?

What if the game was cancelled by rain caused by climate change?

[nobody's_hero]

What if the game was cancelled by rain caused by climate change?

If the analogy isn't too hard to follow:

It was probably cancelled because the umpire was either a democrat or republican with TDS who can't defeat their unfavored team in an honest challenge, so they had to cancel the game "due to weather". The weather was fine the whole time.

[TheCount]

Why do you keep repeating this MSM talking point? If the courts won't even hear a case, you don't get a chance to "prove it in a court of law".

Ask yourself which is more likely:
- A legal team led by Rudy Giuliani got laughed out of 62 courtrooms

- Every judge, regardless of ideology and party, across nine states, the District of Columbia, and the Supreme Court, are all part of a vast conspiracy to keep Trump out of office

[CaptUSA]

Ask yourself which is more likely:
- A legal team led by Rudy Giuliani got laughed out of 62 courtrooms

- Every judge, regardless of ideology and party, across nine states, the District of Columbia, and the Supreme Court, are all part of a vast conspiracy to keep Trump out of office

Did they change the voting rules in multiple states just ahead of the election? Yes or no?
Did those changes result in Biden receiving more "votes" than Obama? Yes or no?
Did the government and big tech collude to censor opposition voices ahead of the election? Yes or no?

If you said yes to any of those, then you already believe that the 2020 election was rigged. It doesn't take a "conspiracy" to deny standing. Quit playing your little game. You know, we know, and the American public knows.

[acptulsa]

A legal team led by Rudy Giuliani...

That's the rub. The original line of Trump bull insisted that he only hires the best people. If we assume this to be true, then the fact that Fauci was employed straight through indicates that his vast experience sweet talking gay guys into swallowing poison was just what Trump wanted in an NIH head. And Rudy is proof positive that Trump wanted someone experienced in torpedoing legitimate investigations for his commission.

They have to believe it to believe Trump only hires the best. But it contradicts the soap opera that all these DAs are spinning for them. And they do love that soap opera. Gives them victim cards to play.

But the ugly truth is, impeding investigations is the only thing 9iu11ani ever proved good at, much less The Best People for.

[TheCount]

Did they change the voting rules in multiple states just ahead of the election? Yes or no?

No

Did those changes result in Biden receiving more "votes" than Obama? Yes or no?

No

Did the government and big tech collude to censor opposition voices ahead of the election? Yes or no?

No

If you said yes to any of those, then you already believe that the 2020 election was rigged.

And if I didn't?

It doesn't take a "conspiracy" to deny standing.

Denying standing isn't the only thing that happened in those courtrooms, and in addition yes, it would take a nationwide judicial conspiracy to agree to deny standing in the 60+ courtrooms that Trump's cases failed in.

[TheCount]

That's the rub. The original line of Trump bull insisted that he only hires the best people. If we assume this to be true, then the fact that Fauci was employed straight through indicates that his vast experience sweet talking gay guys into swallowing poison was just what Trump wanted in an NIH head. And Rudy is proof positive that Trump wanted someone experienced in torpedoing legitimate investigations for his commission.

They have to believe it to believe Trump only hires the best. But it contradicts the soap opera that all these DAs are spinning for them. And they do love that soap opera. Gives them victim cards to play.

But the ugly truth is, impeding investigations is the only thing 9iu11ani ever proved good at, much less The Best People for.

You're absolutely right, all of the myths of Trump cannot simultaneously be true.


To me the most glaring issue is: Why were nearly none of the hundreds of millions of dollars of post-election day donations used to fight the results of the election?

[CaptUSA]

No
No
No
And if I didn't?
Denying standing isn't the only thing that happened in those courtrooms, and in addition yes, it would take a nationwide judicial conspiracy to agree to deny standing in the 60+ courtrooms that Trump's cases failed in.

Delusional. They declared emergencies in 2020, masked everyone up, dropped ID requirements, expanded voting days, put drop boxes everywhere, expanded mail-ins and you think nothing changed? Nice rewrite of history there. No wonder you can believe your own BS.

And I suppose you think they made up the Twitter files, Facebook files, and CTIL files?? Who's the conspiracy nut now?!