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    Does anyone on here think President Trump was a dictator or will become one if re-electe

    Serious question because I know a lot of people on this site hate Trump and many support him. Given past results, does anyone here actually think that if re-elected that President Trump (Grover 2.0) would actually act like or become a dictator this time around?

    Figured out how to make a poll. So the question is answered "Yes" if you think Trump was a dictator in his last term as well. Thanks!
    Last edited by RonPaulRocksMyWorld; 12-05-2023 at 10:36 PM.



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    The dictatorship is already here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The dictatorship is already here.
    Been here for some time.

    The Liberty Tree is long overdue for some watering...
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    His corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    His corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.


    You mean his attempts to point out a corrupt election???

    I'm no fan of Trump, but let's be real here... the 2020 election was a farce. (most of them are - but that one took the cake)
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    Just to bring everyone back to reality just remind them that chuck schumer will be running the senate , you know the face of the slavery party that cant define a woman , that brought you WW1 . WW2 , THE FED RESERVE , MEDICARE, obama care and increased IRS budgets..... So , do you think Chuck will allow trump to run things how he'd like ? If so it is him the Bolsheviks should remove.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post


    You mean his attempts to point out a corrupt election???

    I'm no fan of Trump, but let's be real here... the 2020 election was a farce. (most of them are - but that one took the cake)
    Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?
    What are you on about? To what historical event is this supposed to be a reference?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?
    No, but it would be legal for them to go back to the state legislators to verify that they agree with what the Governor certified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, but it would be legal for them to go back to the state legislators to verify that they agree with what the Governor certified.
    This you?

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    VP Nixon picked Kennedy in 1960, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If they can legally do it with 3 electors in an election where it doesn't change anything, what makes you think they can't do it with more electors in an election where it would change the outcome?

    Also, this was done once or twice in the 1800s, and even once in the 1700s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Been here for some time.

    The Liberty Tree is long overdue for some watering...
    Nope. It died.

    You have to plant another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    His corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.
    That would make his the weakest dictator in world history, given that he left DC after serving 1 term. That was after our nation had the most concentrated election fraud that we have seen since Ron Paul got screwed in the 2007 primary. Certainly you remember that and Black Box Voting don't you? I'm sorry, I forgot you weren't here back then. Were you old enough to vote for McCain at that time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This you?
    It's all part of the same process. They were initiating a legal process. You are bat$#@! crazy for thinking anything otherwise.
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    That would make his the weakest dictator in world history, given that he left DC after serving 1 term.
    Yes, that's exactly my point, thank you. That's why I used the word "tendency."

    He and his administration advocated a legal interpretation which means that the executive branch has the sole authority to choose the next president.

    What would you call a system where each executive gets to choose the next executive?


    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    That was after our nation had the most concentrated election fraud that we have seen since Ron Paul got screwed in the 2007 primary.
    Fraud so concentrated that Trump himself chose to pocket the vast majority of the "stop the steal" donations rather than put up any legal fight?

    Fraud so obvious that precisely zero people have been able to prove any in any court of law despite dozens of attempts?

    Fraud so incredible that only the three greatest legal minds of our time, Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, and Lin Wood, were willing to go to bat against it?


    And yes, I was of voting age in 2008, though I didn't vote.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    No because he's never going to be president again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    No because he's never going to be president again.
    Washington Post seems to be worried...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    [Trump's] corrupt attempts to overturn election results certainly suggest that he has that tendency.
    With rare exceptions (such as Coolidge and ... ummmm ... well, such as Coolidge), every president since at least (and, of course, including) Lincoln has exhibited such a "tendency" to some degree or another. Two of the most notable were the Roosevelts, Theodore and Franklin (one being a Republican and the other a Democrat, should anyone still be laboring labor under the illusion that this is a partisan phenomenon). Treating Trump as if he is somehow special or different in this regard (either for better or worse) ultimately just boils down to personality-cult bull$#@!.

    The source of the "tendency" is the system itself. The system evolves the personages, not the other way around. Like the modern U.S., the late Roman Republic was a basket case of dysfunctions. Several men, each in his own way, tried to "fix" it. Sulla became dictator in the name of preserving the Roman Republic in defiance of its circumstances. He failed. Julius Caesar became dictator in the name of adjusting the Republic to its circumstances. He failed, too (and got merked, to boot). Octavian became imperator (turbo-dictator) and delivered the Republic its coup de grâce - because he understood that the Republic's gig was finally up. Republics (at least the overweeningly expansive ones) become empires - and it takes an emperor to rule an empire.

    Whether someone - Trump, or anyone else - becomes "dictator" of America (formally, or de facto) has relatively little to do with the "tendencies" of the person himself, and far more to do with the nature and "logic" of culturally-multifarious, continent(s)-spanning republics-cum-empires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Would it be legal for Kamala to walk into the joint session on January 6th with a bag full of pre-signed elector statements and use them to declare Biden the first president to win 100% of the electoral votes?
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Trump fan fiction be like...


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Fraud so obvious that precisely zero people have been able to prove any in any court of law despite dozens of attempts?
    Why do you keep repeating this MSM talking point? If the courts won't even hear a case, you don't get a chance to "prove it in a court of law".

    Baseball game gets cancelled due to weather, do you just automatically count it as a win for your team?
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 12-07-2023 at 07:57 AM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump fan fiction be like...

    eagles have elevated status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Why do you keep repeating this MSM talking point? If the courts won't even hear a case, you don't get a chance to "prove it in court of law".

    Baseball game gets cancelled due to weather, do you just automatically count it as a win for your team?
    What if the game was cancelled by rain caused by climate change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    What if the game was cancelled by rain caused by climate change?
    If the analogy isn't too hard to follow:

    It was probably cancelled because the umpire was either a democrat or republican with TDS who can't defeat their unfavored team in an honest challenge, so they had to cancel the game "due to weather". The weather was fine the whole time.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 12-07-2023 at 08:07 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Why do you keep repeating this MSM talking point? If the courts won't even hear a case, you don't get a chance to "prove it in a court of law".
    Ask yourself which is more likely:
    - A legal team led by Rudy Giuliani got laughed out of 62 courtrooms

    - Every judge, regardless of ideology and party, across nine states, the District of Columbia, and the Supreme Court, are all part of a vast conspiracy to keep Trump out of office
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Ask yourself which is more likely:
    - A legal team led by Rudy Giuliani got laughed out of 62 courtrooms

    - Every judge, regardless of ideology and party, across nine states, the District of Columbia, and the Supreme Court, are all part of a vast conspiracy to keep Trump out of office
    Did they change the voting rules in multiple states just ahead of the election? Yes or no?
    Did those changes result in Biden receiving more "votes" than Obama? Yes or no?
    Did the government and big tech collude to censor opposition voices ahead of the election? Yes or no?

    If you said yes to any of those, then you already believe that the 2020 election was rigged. It doesn't take a "conspiracy" to deny standing. Quit playing your little game. You know, we know, and the American public knows.

    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    A legal team led by Rudy Giuliani...
    That's the rub. The original line of Trump bull insisted that he only hires the best people. If we assume this to be true, then the fact that Fauci was employed straight through indicates that his vast experience sweet talking gay guys into swallowing poison was just what Trump wanted in an NIH head. And Rudy is proof positive that Trump wanted someone experienced in torpedoing legitimate investigations for his commission.

    They have to believe it to believe Trump only hires the best. But it contradicts the soap opera that all these DAs are spinning for them. And they do love that soap opera. Gives them victim cards to play.

    But the ugly truth is, impeding investigations is the only thing 9iu11ani ever proved good at, much less The Best People for.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-07-2023 at 10:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Did they change the voting rules in multiple states just ahead of the election? Yes or no?
    No

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Did those changes result in Biden receiving more "votes" than Obama? Yes or no?
    No

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Did the government and big tech collude to censor opposition voices ahead of the election? Yes or no?
    No


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    If you said yes to any of those, then you already believe that the 2020 election was rigged.
    And if I didn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    It doesn't take a "conspiracy" to deny standing.
    Denying standing isn't the only thing that happened in those courtrooms, and in addition yes, it would take a nationwide judicial conspiracy to agree to deny standing in the 60+ courtrooms that Trump's cases failed in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That's the rub. The original line of Trump bull insisted that he only hires the best people. If we assume this to be true, then the fact that Fauci was employed straight through indicates that his vast experience sweet talking gay guys into swallowing poison was just what Trump wanted in an NIH head. And Rudy is proof positive that Trump wanted someone experienced in torpedoing legitimate investigations for his commission.

    They have to believe it to believe Trump only hires the best. But it contradicts the soap opera that all these DAs are spinning for them. And they do love that soap opera. Gives them victim cards to play.

    But the ugly truth is, impeding investigations is the only thing 9iu11ani ever proved good at, much less The Best People for.
    You're absolutely right, all of the myths of Trump cannot simultaneously be true.


    To me the most glaring issue is: Why were nearly none of the hundreds of millions of dollars of post-election day donations used to fight the results of the election?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    No
    No
    No
    And if I didn't?
    Denying standing isn't the only thing that happened in those courtrooms, and in addition yes, it would take a nationwide judicial conspiracy to agree to deny standing in the 60+ courtrooms that Trump's cases failed in.
    Delusional. They declared emergencies in 2020, masked everyone up, dropped ID requirements, expanded voting days, put drop boxes everywhere, expanded mail-ins and you think nothing changed? Nice rewrite of history there. No wonder you can believe your own BS.

    And I suppose you think they made up the Twitter files, Facebook files, and CTIL files?? Who's the conspiracy nut now?!
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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