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    Attorney Shield

    Attorney Shield is an affordable, reliable, and easy-to-use mobile app service for getting immediate legal support from a licensed attorney to liaise with police, mediate conflict, minimize escalation, and promote safety during law enforcement-initiated contact.

    Links:



    This Will Change Policing In America
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tBMHB-Lcw
    {LackLuster | 18 November 2023}

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    Sign up now to help us launch by February, 2024!

    Still have questions? check out our live Q&A on Long Island Audit's channel!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukgxw63cP1E [see below - OB]





    Attorney Shield Will Change Policing In America.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukgxw63cP1E
    {Long Island Audit | 18 November 2023}

    Join Attorney Shield today & save up to 50% during our early signup event! https://attorney-shield.com/

    Watch Our Official Announcement Video To Learn More About Attorney Shield Here
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tBMHB-Lcw [see above - OB]

    Fellow Patriots & Freedom Lovers, I’ve partnered with Lackluster to create Attorney Shield because I truly believe that Attorney Shield will fundamentally change policing in our great country. We The People need to be protected from tyranny & corruption. Our Rights matter.

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      -- The Law (p. 54)
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    OB, are you going to buy it?

    My life is structured to have as little interaction with the po-po as possible, but I think that this is wonderful.

    I think that I'm going to get it because these guys are going to need a lot of money to get it up and going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    OB, are you going to buy it?

    My life is structured to have as little interaction with the po-po as possible, but I think that this is wonderful.

    I think that I'm going to get it because these guys are going to need a lot of money to get it up and going.
    Yes, I'm in.

    I hope I never have to use it at all. (I guess it's sort of like insurance that way.)

    But it's a great idea, and if my little bit can help, that's more than enough reason for me.

    I watch a lot of police interaction videos (mostly from LackLuster, Audit the Audit, and The Civil Rights Lawyer), and it is astounding how ignorant of the law many cops are (or pretend to be).

    It remains to be seen how well this is going to work. It's something that really couldn't have been done before, given the technology & networking requirements. I hope it succeeds so much that entrepreneurial competition from other providers eventually starts springing up.

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    I signed up.

    I hope to never need it.

    Actually, I hope that I remember that I have it if something goes down.

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    Driver Makes Cop Talk To His Attorney
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBf6VZb4si8
    {LackLuster] | 05 June 2024}

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    "I've Never Had Anyone Call An Attorney On A Traffic Stop"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bji1rMtsKTk
    {LackLuster] | 06 June 2024}

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    These two interactions were pretty low intensity.

    I'm guessing prosecutors all over the country are getting phone calls from their cop pals and forming strategies to combat Attorney Shield on the roadside.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    These two interactions were pretty low intensity.
    And that's a good thing. (It's also the whole point of the Attorney Shield service.)

    Although I don't wish for it to happen to someone, it will certainly be interesting to see how "high intensity" cops handle things.

    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I'm guessing prosecutors all over the country are getting phone calls from their cop pals and forming strategies to combat Attorney Shield on the roadside.
    It will also be interesting to see what they come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And that's a good thing. (It's also the whole point of the Attorney Shield service.)

    Although I don't wish for it to happen to someone, it will certainly be interesting to see how "high intensity" cops handle things.



    It will also be interesting to see what they come up with.
    A few months back, some clown court somewhere has upheld a kop seizing a cell phone from a person when informed that the person was livestreaming.

    For officer safety, of course, the argument was that the kop had the right to seize the phone to prevent the person from alerting others to come to the scene and interfere or harm the officer.

    I think this is where they are going to go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    A few months back, some clown court somewhere has upheld a kop seizing a cell phone from a person when informed that the person was livestreaming.

    For officer safety, of course, the argument was that the kop had the right to seize the phone to prevent the person from alerting others to come to the scene and interfere or harm the officer.

    I think this is where they are going to go with it.
    The 4th Circuit ended up overruling the lower court in that case (see the articles/videos posted below - also, the cop in that case didn't actually seize the phone, but only threatened to do so). So with that precedent, it's going to be hard to take that approach. And since the right to legal counsel is involved, they'll have to find a way to get around the 5th Amendment, as well as the 1st and 4th, which will make things even harder.

    That doesn't mean they won't try, of course - but at least they'll have their work cut out for them.



    Cops Afraid of Livestream | Lawsuit Backfires
    https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/202...uit-backfires/
    {John H. Bryan | 02 December 2022}

    Most people understand and accept that citizens have a constitutional right to record video of interactions with police officers, at this point – in general. Law enforcement has fought that every step of the way, of course. But is there a right to “livestream” encounters with police officers? More specifically, does a passenger of a vehicle detained at a traffic stop have a constitutional right to livestream the encounter from his cell phone?

    Cops Afraid of Livestream | Lawsuit Backfires
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJSGvogZ5A
    {The Civil Rights Lawyer | 02 December 2022}


    [additional matter hidden to save space]
     
    Dijon Sharpe was a passenger in a car stopped for a traffic violation in Winterville, North Carolina on October 9, 2018. WPD officers Myers Helms and William Ellis performed the stop. Sharpe began live streaming the encounter with Facebook live. Helms told Sharpe that he could record the traffic stop from inside the car during the encounter but not livestream the traffic stop from inside the car during the traffic stop.


    At the beginning of the stop, while the driver and Mr. Sharpe waited for the officers to approach the vehicle, the driver called a third party on his cell phone in order to have a witness to what was happening. Meanwhile, Sharpe began live-streaming what was happening on his Facebook account. The livestream shows that, during the stop, the driver continued his conversation with the third party on his cell phone during the entire course of the stop, including while speaking with the officers. The footage shows the interaction between Mr. Sharpe – the passenger – and Officer Helms. The video shows Officer Helms asking for Mr. Sharpe’s identification and then returning to the police vehicle. During this time, the driver continued his conversation with the third party over the cell phone, explaining that police had begun following the vehicle for some time before initiating the traffic stop. He expressed concern that he had been racially profiled.

    As the driver was talking to the third party on his phone, Sharpe talks into his phone, reassuring viewers on Facebook live that he was fine, advocating for his practice of recording interactions with law enforcement. According to the lawsuit he would subsequently file, Sharpe began recording because he had been the victim of a brutal beating at the hands of police officers in the nearby town of Greenville ten months earlier, during a traffic stop. That experience prompted him to ensure any future interactions he had with law enforcement would be recorded for his own protection.

    After emerging from the police vehicle, Officer Helms is seen on the video approaching the car window. He says, “What have we got? Facebook Live, cous?” As soon as Mr. Sharpe responds affirmatively, Officer Helms abruptly thrusts his arm through the passenger window and attempts to seize Mr. Sharpe’s cell phone, while pulling on Sharpe’s seatbelt and shirt. During this altercation, Officer Helms tells Sharpe: “We ain’t gonna do Facebook Live, because that’s an officer safety issue.”

    Shortly afterwards, following the issuance of citations to the driver, Officer Ellis states: “Facebook Live . . . we’re not gonna have that, okay, because that lets everybody y’all follow on Facebook that we’re out here…” He says that recording is fine, but if you’re live, your phone is gonna be taken. Otherwise you’re going to jail. Sharpe then asked Ellis if that was a law. Ellis responded that it was a violation of the RDO statute, which is basically North Carolina’s obstruction statute. In the end, the phone was not seized. There was no citation or arrest pertaining to the livestreaming. However, the threat was made that next time, the phone would be seized and an arrest would be made if the phone was not forfeited.

    In Mr. Sharpe’s video, look how the officer is standing there watching Sharp and the driver and treating them like they’re up to no good. Yet the reason for the stop was supposedly a basic traffic violation. The officer asks for Sharp’s ID because “he likes to know” who he’s out with. Is it any wonder that police officers get the reputation they have?

    Based on the incident, as well as the threat to stop livestreaming in the future, under penalty of arrest, Sharpe sued the officers and the Town of Winterville under Section 1983 for violation of the First Amendment. The district court dismissed the claims against the individual officers on qualified immunity grounds, holding that it was not clearly established in October of 2018 that a passenger in a stopped vehicle had a constitutional right to record and live broadcast the interaction. Additionally, the Court held that live-streaming by a vehicle passenger poses a “unique” threat to officer safety that mere recording does not and is therefore not clearly protected under the First Amendment.

    Eleven months later, the district court dismissed the claim against the Town of Winterville on the grounds that Mr. Sharpe had no constitutional right to live broadcast at all, and that even if he did, the town’s policy of arresting traffic stop passengers for live-streaming passes constitutional review under intermediate scrutiny. The district court held that “[r]ecording a traffic stop for publication after the traffic stop versus livestreaming an ongoing traffic stop from inside the stopped car during the traffic stop are significantly different.”

    “[L]ivestreaming the interaction from inside the stopped car during the traffic stop … allows … those watching, to know the location of the interaction, to comment on and discuss in real-time the interaction, and to provide the perspective from inside the stopped car,” JA81. “The perspective from inside the stopped car, for example, would allow a viewer to see weapons from inside the stopped car that an officer might not be able to see and thereby embolden a coordinated attack on the police.” Thus the Court concluded that Mr. Sharpe had no First Amendment right to live-stream.

    Mr. Sharpe appealed to the Fourth Circuit. It drew significant attention from civil liberties and press advocates. Seven amicus briefs were filed in support of his claims. Here’s Sharpe’s opening brief:
    Oral arguments were held last month, which involved a heated discussion between one of the federal judges on the panel and the lawyer representing Mr. Sharpe. During the oral arguments, the federal judge seemed highly concerned about the rights of police officers, as opposed to the rights of an innocent citizen being detained as a passenger in a traffic stop. Listen for yourself.

    Here’s the full raw footage, which was linked in the court record (Facebook video link).

    The Fourth Amendment grants no rights to officers. “The right of the PEOPLE to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated …” Its purpose is to guarantee individual rights against the power of the government.

    This flies in the face of actual Fourth Amendment law. They are using amorphous and general concerns over “officer safety” that are not particular to the individual they are seeking to restrict. In other words, the officers here, and those advocating for them to do so, want the officers to have the power to stop livestreaming, based only on obscure general concerns over officer safety. Theoretically, if some bad guy was watching the livestream he could find the location while the stop is in progress and theoretically harm the officers or cause some other safety issue.

    They’re not saying that this particular individual should not livestream under these circumstances, because that person is a particular safety threat and those facts can be demonstrated in court or to a judge. They’re using blanket reasons. Again, that flies in the face of existing Fourth Amendment law, which requires particularity to the individual for things like frisks and searches. Blanket reasons never go well with constitutional law. Usually we’re told that law enforcement actions were justified based on the “totality of the circumstances.” Well now, because they hate video footage, we no longer look at the totality of the circumstances, but rather, at the vague concept that police officers are afraid of absolutely everything and everyone.

    The fact is, freedom is scary. They need to deal with it, or get another job. We cannot and must not appease that fear.


    Cops Afraid of LiveStream UPDATE | Court Says First Amendment RIGHT!
    https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/202...endment-right/
    {John H. Bryan | 16 February 2023}

    [all emphasis in the original - OB]

    Do you remember this case – this video I posted about a few months back [see the article posted above - OB] – about whether there’s a constitutional right to “livestream” encounters with police officers? Well there’s a huge update from that case that you’re not going to want to miss, or rather misunderstand. As I explained in the prior video, livestream video removes the ability of dishonest cops to destroy evidence and conceal their misconduct. That’s a good thing for us. But not surprisingly, they don’t like that. So, they attempted to find a way around it. “Officer safety.”

    Cops Afraid of LiveStream UPDATE!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3GrLYkhO8
    {The Civil Rights Lawyer | 16 February 2023}

    Last week the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the trial court’s ruling and confirmed that we indeed have a First Amendment right to livestream police officers, including as an occupant of a vehicle during a traffic stop.


    [additional matter hidden to save space]
     
    Here’s the original video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJSGvogZ5A [see the article posted above - OB]

    Then you had this traffic stop involving Dijon Sharpe in Winterville, North Carolina, which then turned into a federal civil rights lawsuit. As discussed in the first video, that case was lost at the trial court level, and appeared to have backfired against the plaintiff, and in favor of government. Well now that has changed.

    Last week the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the trial court’s ruling and confirmed that we indeed have a First Amendment right to livestream police officers, including as an occupant of a vehicle during a traffic stop. But, as government likes to remind us, it’s not absolute. The government could still infringe on those rights under certain facts.

    My favorite excerpts from the opinion:

    Creating and disseminating information is protected speech under the First Amendment. Sorrell v. IMS Health Inc., 564 U.S. 552, 570 (2011). “‘[A] major purpose of’ the First Amendment ‘was to protect the free discussion of governmental affairs.’” Ariz. Free Enter. Club’s Freedom Club PAC v. Bennett, 564 U.S. 721, 755 (2011) (quoting Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 14 (1976) (per curiam)).

    And other courts have routinely recognized these principles extend the First Amendment to cover recording—particularly when the information involves matters of public interest like police encounters. See, e.g., Ness v. City of Bloomington, 11 F.4th 914, 923 (8th Cir. 2021) (“The act[] of . . . recording videos [is] entitled to First Amendment protection because [it is] an important stage of the speech process that ends with the dissemination of information about a public controversy.”).

    We agree. Recording police encounters creates information that contributes to discussion about governmental affairs. So too does livestreaming disseminate that information, often creating its own record. We thus hold that livestreaming a police traffic stop is speech protected by the First Amendment….

    The Town purports to justify the policy based on officer safety. [Appellees’ Response Brief at 55.] According to Defendants, livestreaming a traffic stop endangers officers because viewers can locate the officers and intervene in the encounter. [J.A. 9.] They support this claim by arguing, with help from amici, that violence against police officers has been increasing—including planned violence that uses new technologies. [See, e.g., Amicus Brief of the Southern States Police Benevolent Association at 9.] On Defendants’ view, banning livestreaming prevents attacks or related disruptions that threaten officer safety.

    Here’s the full opinion:

    Despite the government’s claims, the Court found that the government had not established a sufficient specific officer safety issue due to traffic stop occupants engaged in this constitutionally protected activity. However, the Court left open the possibility that the government could do so.

    Unfortunately, the opinion granted qualified immunity to the individual officers in the lawsuit, finding that since this was the first opinion confirming this specific constitutional right, that the right was not clearly established, and that therefore the officers were entitled to qualified immunity.

    The important part is however, that from this point on, police officers are on notice, whether they choose to be ignorant or not, that livestreaming is constitutionally protected under the First Amendment. So in the end, the case did not actually backfire. It worked. The process worked. And although these individual officers will not be held accountable, this opinion will form the basis for others being held accountable in the future.

    With qualified immunity, we have to be happy with each and every win that we get. Remember that when the government attempts to use “officer safety” to steal our freedoms, what is the proper response? That’s right: Freedom is Scary. They need to deal with it, or get another job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The 4th Circuit ended up overruling the lower court in that case (see the articles/videos posted below - also, the cop in that case didn't actually seize the phone, but only threatened to do so). So with that precedent, it's going to be hard to take that approach. And since the right to legal counsel is involved, they'll have to find a way to get around the 5th Amendment, as well as the 1st and 4th, which will make things even harder.

    That doesn't mean they won't try, of course - but at least they'll have their work cut out for them.



    Cops Afraid of Livestream | Lawsuit Backfires
    https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/202...uit-backfires/
    {John H. Bryan | 02 December 2022}

    Most people understand and accept that citizens have a constitutional right to record video of interactions with police officers, at this point – in general. Law enforcement has fought that every step of the way, of course. But is there a right to “livestream” encounters with police officers? More specifically, does a passenger of a vehicle detained at a traffic stop have a constitutional right to livestream the encounter from his cell phone?

    Cops Afraid of Livestream | Lawsuit Backfires
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJSGvogZ5A
    {The Civil Rights Lawyer | 02 December 2022}


    [additional matter hidden to save space]
     
    Dijon Sharpe was a passenger in a car stopped for a traffic violation in Winterville, North Carolina on October 9, 2018. WPD officers Myers Helms and William Ellis performed the stop. Sharpe began live streaming the encounter with Facebook live. Helms told Sharpe that he could record the traffic stop from inside the car during the encounter but not livestream the traffic stop from inside the car during the traffic stop.


    At the beginning of the stop, while the driver and Mr. Sharpe waited for the officers to approach the vehicle, the driver called a third party on his cell phone in order to have a witness to what was happening. Meanwhile, Sharpe began live-streaming what was happening on his Facebook account. The livestream shows that, during the stop, the driver continued his conversation with the third party on his cell phone during the entire course of the stop, including while speaking with the officers. The footage shows the interaction between Mr. Sharpe – the passenger – and Officer Helms. The video shows Officer Helms asking for Mr. Sharpe’s identification and then returning to the police vehicle. During this time, the driver continued his conversation with the third party over the cell phone, explaining that police had begun following the vehicle for some time before initiating the traffic stop. He expressed concern that he had been racially profiled.

    As the driver was talking to the third party on his phone, Sharpe talks into his phone, reassuring viewers on Facebook live that he was fine, advocating for his practice of recording interactions with law enforcement. According to the lawsuit he would subsequently file, Sharpe began recording because he had been the victim of a brutal beating at the hands of police officers in the nearby town of Greenville ten months earlier, during a traffic stop. That experience prompted him to ensure any future interactions he had with law enforcement would be recorded for his own protection.

    After emerging from the police vehicle, Officer Helms is seen on the video approaching the car window. He says, “What have we got? Facebook Live, cous?” As soon as Mr. Sharpe responds affirmatively, Officer Helms abruptly thrusts his arm through the passenger window and attempts to seize Mr. Sharpe’s cell phone, while pulling on Sharpe’s seatbelt and shirt. During this altercation, Officer Helms tells Sharpe: “We ain’t gonna do Facebook Live, because that’s an officer safety issue.”

    Shortly afterwards, following the issuance of citations to the driver, Officer Ellis states: “Facebook Live . . . we’re not gonna have that, okay, because that lets everybody y’all follow on Facebook that we’re out here…” He says that recording is fine, but if you’re live, your phone is gonna be taken. Otherwise you’re going to jail. Sharpe then asked Ellis if that was a law. Ellis responded that it was a violation of the RDO statute, which is basically North Carolina’s obstruction statute. In the end, the phone was not seized. There was no citation or arrest pertaining to the livestreaming. However, the threat was made that next time, the phone would be seized and an arrest would be made if the phone was not forfeited.

    In Mr. Sharpe’s video, look how the officer is standing there watching Sharp and the driver and treating them like they’re up to no good. Yet the reason for the stop was supposedly a basic traffic violation. The officer asks for Sharp’s ID because “he likes to know” who he’s out with. Is it any wonder that police officers get the reputation they have?

    Based on the incident, as well as the threat to stop livestreaming in the future, under penalty of arrest, Sharpe sued the officers and the Town of Winterville under Section 1983 for violation of the First Amendment. The district court dismissed the claims against the individual officers on qualified immunity grounds, holding that it was not clearly established in October of 2018 that a passenger in a stopped vehicle had a constitutional right to record and live broadcast the interaction. Additionally, the Court held that live-streaming by a vehicle passenger poses a “unique” threat to officer safety that mere recording does not and is therefore not clearly protected under the First Amendment.

    Eleven months later, the district court dismissed the claim against the Town of Winterville on the grounds that Mr. Sharpe had no constitutional right to live broadcast at all, and that even if he did, the town’s policy of arresting traffic stop passengers for live-streaming passes constitutional review under intermediate scrutiny. The district court held that “[r]ecording a traffic stop for publication after the traffic stop versus livestreaming an ongoing traffic stop from inside the stopped car during the traffic stop are significantly different.”

    “[L]ivestreaming the interaction from inside the stopped car during the traffic stop … allows … those watching, to know the location of the interaction, to comment on and discuss in real-time the interaction, and to provide the perspective from inside the stopped car,” JA81. “The perspective from inside the stopped car, for example, would allow a viewer to see weapons from inside the stopped car that an officer might not be able to see and thereby embolden a coordinated attack on the police.” Thus the Court concluded that Mr. Sharpe had no First Amendment right to live-stream.

    Mr. Sharpe appealed to the Fourth Circuit. It drew significant attention from civil liberties and press advocates. Seven amicus briefs were filed in support of his claims. Here’s Sharpe’s opening brief:
    Oral arguments were held last month, which involved a heated discussion between one of the federal judges on the panel and the lawyer representing Mr. Sharpe. During the oral arguments, the federal judge seemed highly concerned about the rights of police officers, as opposed to the rights of an innocent citizen being detained as a passenger in a traffic stop. Listen for yourself.

    Here’s the full raw footage, which was linked in the court record (Facebook video link).

    The Fourth Amendment grants no rights to officers. “The right of the PEOPLE to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated …” Its purpose is to guarantee individual rights against the power of the government.

    This flies in the face of actual Fourth Amendment law. They are using amorphous and general concerns over “officer safety” that are not particular to the individual they are seeking to restrict. In other words, the officers here, and those advocating for them to do so, want the officers to have the power to stop livestreaming, based only on obscure general concerns over officer safety. Theoretically, if some bad guy was watching the livestream he could find the location while the stop is in progress and theoretically harm the officers or cause some other safety issue.

    They’re not saying that this particular individual should not livestream under these circumstances, because that person is a particular safety threat and those facts can be demonstrated in court or to a judge. They’re using blanket reasons. Again, that flies in the face of existing Fourth Amendment law, which requires particularity to the individual for things like frisks and searches. Blanket reasons never go well with constitutional law. Usually we’re told that law enforcement actions were justified based on the “totality of the circumstances.” Well now, because they hate video footage, we no longer look at the totality of the circumstances, but rather, at the vague concept that police officers are afraid of absolutely everything and everyone.

    The fact is, freedom is scary. They need to deal with it, or get another job. We cannot and must not appease that fear.


    Cops Afraid of LiveStream UPDATE | Court Says First Amendment RIGHT!
    https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/202...endment-right/
    {John H. Bryan | 16 February 2023}

    [all emphasis in the original - OB]

    Do you remember this case – this video I posted about a few months back [see the article posted above - OB] – about whether there’s a constitutional right to “livestream” encounters with police officers? Well there’s a huge update from that case that you’re not going to want to miss, or rather misunderstand. As I explained in the prior video, livestream video removes the ability of dishonest cops to destroy evidence and conceal their misconduct. That’s a good thing for us. But not surprisingly, they don’t like that. So, they attempted to find a way around it. “Officer safety.”

    Cops Afraid of LiveStream UPDATE!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3GrLYkhO8
    {The Civil Rights Lawyer | 16 February 2023}

    Last week the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the trial court’s ruling and confirmed that we indeed have a First Amendment right to livestream police officers, including as an occupant of a vehicle during a traffic stop.


    [additional matter hidden to save space]
     
    Here’s the original video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJSGvogZ5A [see the article posted above - OB]

    Then you had this traffic stop involving Dijon Sharpe in Winterville, North Carolina, which then turned into a federal civil rights lawsuit. As discussed in the first video, that case was lost at the trial court level, and appeared to have backfired against the plaintiff, and in favor of government. Well now that has changed.

    Last week the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the trial court’s ruling and confirmed that we indeed have a First Amendment right to livestream police officers, including as an occupant of a vehicle during a traffic stop. But, as government likes to remind us, it’s not absolute. The government could still infringe on those rights under certain facts.

    My favorite excerpts from the opinion:

    Creating and disseminating information is protected speech under the First Amendment. Sorrell v. IMS Health Inc., 564 U.S. 552, 570 (2011). “‘[A] major purpose of’ the First Amendment ‘was to protect the free discussion of governmental affairs.’” Ariz. Free Enter. Club’s Freedom Club PAC v. Bennett, 564 U.S. 721, 755 (2011) (quoting Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 14 (1976) (per curiam)).

    And other courts have routinely recognized these principles extend the First Amendment to cover recording—particularly when the information involves matters of public interest like police encounters. See, e.g., Ness v. City of Bloomington, 11 F.4th 914, 923 (8th Cir. 2021) (“The act[] of . . . recording videos [is] entitled to First Amendment protection because [it is] an important stage of the speech process that ends with the dissemination of information about a public controversy.”).

    We agree. Recording police encounters creates information that contributes to discussion about governmental affairs. So too does livestreaming disseminate that information, often creating its own record. We thus hold that livestreaming a police traffic stop is speech protected by the First Amendment….

    The Town purports to justify the policy based on officer safety. [Appellees’ Response Brief at 55.] According to Defendants, livestreaming a traffic stop endangers officers because viewers can locate the officers and intervene in the encounter. [J.A. 9.] They support this claim by arguing, with help from amici, that violence against police officers has been increasing—including planned violence that uses new technologies. [See, e.g., Amicus Brief of the Southern States Police Benevolent Association at 9.] On Defendants’ view, banning livestreaming prevents attacks or related disruptions that threaten officer safety.

    Here’s the full opinion:

    Despite the government’s claims, the Court found that the government had not established a sufficient specific officer safety issue due to traffic stop occupants engaged in this constitutionally protected activity. However, the Court left open the possibility that the government could do so.

    Unfortunately, the opinion granted qualified immunity to the individual officers in the lawsuit, finding that since this was the first opinion confirming this specific constitutional right, that the right was not clearly established, and that therefore the officers were entitled to qualified immunity.

    The important part is however, that from this point on, police officers are on notice, whether they choose to be ignorant or not, that livestreaming is constitutionally protected under the First Amendment. So in the end, the case did not actually backfire. It worked. The process worked. And although these individual officers will not be held accountable, this opinion will form the basis for others being held accountable in the future.

    With qualified immunity, we have to be happy with each and every win that we get. Remember that when the government attempts to use “officer safety” to steal our freedoms, what is the proper response? That’s right: Freedom is Scary. They need to deal with it, or get another job.
    Thanks for the update on that one. I missed it somehow.

    Yes, they will keep on trying and some circuits are bat$#@! crazy.

  15. #13
    It seems like a good idea, but I don't feel like paying for it. Could you pm me your username and password?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes, I'm in.

    I hope I never have to use it at all. (I guess it's sort of like insurance that way.)

    But it's a great idea, and if my little bit can help, that's more than enough reason for me.

    I watch a lot of police interaction videos (mostly from LackLuster, Audit the Audit, and The Civil Rights Lawyer), and it is astounding how ignorant of the law many cops are (or pretend to be).

    It remains to be seen how well this is going to work. It's something that really couldn't have been done before, given the technology & networking requirements. I hope it succeeds so much that entrepreneurial competition from other providers eventually starts springing up.
    ...

  16. #14
    Btw, humor doesn't always translate well on line. I'm joking of course.
    ...

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    It seems like a good idea, but I don't feel like paying for it. Could you pm me your username and password?
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Btw, humor doesn't always translate well on line. I'm joking of course.
    Well, then ... [me: *deletes draft PM*] ... I guess I won't be sending you my username and password after all ...

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