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  1. #691
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  4. #693
    I am sure installing British prime minister Tony Blair as a "humanitarian coordinator" for the Gaza
    Is such a great idea.


    Israel seeks British prime minister Tony Blair as a "humanitarian coordinator" for the Gaza

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  6. #695
    It doesn't seem like that report shows the actual council of Hamas, but a council of another potical party.
    As some others are reporting now.
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 11-13-2023 at 02:15 PM.

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    After the evil Saddam, who was our buddy throughout the 1980s, invaded Kuwait we got spoon fed some tale of evil Iraqi soldiers murdering incubator babies: Top 10 staged media events

    After the Hamas attack, we got told that these “animals” murdered and chopped of the heads of Jewish babies. This story was just as fake as the incubator babies.

    Now what looks to be a genuine incubator killing story.
    Because of the brutal assault by the Israeli army and cutting Gaza off from food water and energy, at least 32 patients in Gazan hospitals have died, including 6 incubator babies…
    But more than 100 (!) corpses are decomposing in the hospital (I thought they said 32?).

    Incubator babies have been placed in a normal bed together, in the hope that they can keep each other warm…


    Israel has defended these war crimes with the story that Hamas terrorists are hiding in (or under…) these hospitals.
    Israel has also argued that they have supplied energy to (or at least one) a hospital but that the evil Hamas terrorists stole the energy.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...-israeli-siege


    Over here in Amsterdam, with a large Muslim population there are now more Palestinians flags than Ukrainian yellow-blue posters.

    Greta Thunberg came to Amsterdam for a climate protests, and got some additional publicity when her speech, in which she said that the climate movement must listen “to the voices of those who are oppressed and those who fight for freedom and justice” because “there can be no climate justice without international solidarity”, was interrupted by another eco-fascist who grabbed her microphone (nothing really “aggressive” happening).

    Bad Greta is now being condemned as an Israel-hater by our wonderful media: https://nltimes.nl/2023/11/13/man-in...ines-worldwide
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  10. #698
    I don't doubt that babies are dying in the hospitals in Gaza. Even if Hamas really does have some sort of tunnel under the hospital, it is still a war crime to attack the hospital.

  11. #699
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    After the evil Saddam, who was our buddy throughout the 1980s, invaded Kuwait we got spoon fed some tale of evil Iraqi soldiers murdering incubator babies: Top 10 staged media events

    After the Hamas attack, we got told that these “animals” murdered and chopped of the heads of Jewish babies. This story was just as fake as the incubator babies.

    Now what looks to be a genuine incubator killing story.
    Because of the brutal assault by the Israeli army and cutting Gaza off from food water and energy, at least 32 patients in Gazan hospitals have died, including 6 incubator babies…
    But more than 100 (!) corpses are decomposing in the hospital (I thought they said 32?).

    Incubator babies have been placed in a normal bed together, in the hope that they can keep each other warm…


    Israel has defended these war crimes with the story that Hamas terrorists are hiding in (or under…) these hospitals.
    Israel has also argued that they have supplied energy to (or at least one) a hospital but that the evil Hamas terrorists stole the energy.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...-israeli-siege


    Over here in Amsterdam, with a large Muslim population there are now more Palestinians flags than Ukrainian yellow-blue posters.

    Greta Thunberg came to Amsterdam for a climate protests, and got some additional publicity when her speech, in which she said that the climate movement must listen “to the voices of those who are oppressed and those who fight for freedom and justice” because “there can be no climate justice without international solidarity”, was interrupted by another eco-fascist who grabbed her microphone (nothing really “aggressive” happening).

    Bad Greta is now being condemned as an Israel-hater by our wonderful media: https://nltimes.nl/2023/11/13/man-in...ines-worldwide
    What is the Israeli defense excuse for attacking homes in Jabalia refugee camp after Israeli strikes hit at least 12 homes in the Nadi Khadamat district? which were mostly civilians?

    This to me seems like a collective punishment which is approved by the US govt and isn't willing to slow it.



    They had no problems accusing Russia of bombing 1000+ hospitals in the headlines during the Syrian conflict, when Israel is doing something similar.
    No major criticism from the Media.
    Last edited by WarriorLiberty; 11-13-2023 at 09:41 PM.

  12. #700
    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    What is the Israeli defense excuse for attacking homes in Jabalia refugee camp after Israeli strikes hit at least 12 homes in the Nadi Khadamat district? which were mostly civilians?
    At first they simply ignore, than deny, and ultimately come with the always "valid" claim that these evil Hamas terrorists are using civilians for a human shield.
    It's obvious that the last place Hamas would hide is between Palestinian civilians, as this is the first place Israel bombs. Reportedly Hamas leadership lives abroad in million dollar luxury homes...


    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorLiberty View Post
    They had no problems accusing Russia of bombing 1000+ hospitals in the headlines during the Syrian conflict, when Israel is doing something similar.
    No major criticism from the Media.
    Here's another story on the Gaza hospitals.
    https://archive.is/Qglpx
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    Israel-Hamas Conflict Impacting Global Air Travel Demand


    https://www.thefinancialtrends.com/2...travel-demand/
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    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status...29695097962849

  19. #706
    So far 1,200 Israelis killed by Hamas. 12,000 Palestinians killed by IDF and more than 1.5 million driven from their homes.

    Every hospital in northern Gaza bombed, shut down and raided on IDF claims they are being used by Hamas as command centers. IDF has found a few AK47s.

  20. #707
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    So, you think what's happening in (that part of the world) over the last month or so is about establishing an Islamic Caliphate ?

    Nah.
    Hamas engaged in terrorism to start this. No doubt plenty of extremists from Hamas and Palestine would support a global Islamic Caliphate.

    Obviously there are much bigger issues at play in the Middle East and this is just another chapter. The people protesting now in the US are all about the bigger issues, and the big organized protests now are just the usual suspects with their usual grievances.

    They are blocking the Bay Bridge to SF today, but these are just the standard professional Marxist protesters that attend BLM, Antifa, Climate Change and various other Marxist protests.
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  21. #708
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    So far 1,200 Israelis killed by Hamas. 12,000 Palestinians killed by IDF and more than 1.5 million driven from their homes.

    Every hospital in northern Gaza bombed, shut down and raided on IDF claims they are being used by Hamas as command centers. IDF has found a few AK47s.
    Hamas treated their abductees well. They did not kill 1,200 Israelis. Catch up on your research.
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  22. #709
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Hamas treated their abductees well.
    The real question, which no one asks, is who and what made Hamas believe that kidnapping a bunch of people would work out well for them? Cui bono?
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  23. #710
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The real question, which no one asks, is who and what made Hamas believe that kidnapping a bunch of people would work out well for them? Cui bono?
    True. and btw why did "Israel" support Hamas and ISIS ? I know the answers. People need to understand what's really going on here.
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  24. #711
    If "Israel" wanted peace and respect, they never would have supported Hamas over the PA, and they wouldn't have supported ISIS and other terrorist groups. "Israel" is not interested in peace, respect, or any of its founding agreements. It is a predatory regime testing the waters, and it has BIG plans.
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  25. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    True. and btw why did "Israel" support Hamas and ISIS ? I know the answers. People need to understand what's really going on here.
    Enemy of my enemy is my useful idiot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Enemy of my enemy is my useful idiot?
    Of course that is true. As true as the usefulness of both controlled and uncontrolled enemies.
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  28. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hamas engaged in terrorism to start this. No doubt plenty of extremists from Hamas and Palestine would support a global Islamic Caliphate.

    Obviously there are much bigger issues at play in the Middle East and this is just another chapter. The people protesting now in the US are all about the bigger issues, and the big organized protests now are just the usual suspects with their usual grievances.

    They are blocking the Bay Bridge to SF today, but these are just the standard professional Marxist protesters that attend BLM, Antifa, Climate Change and various other Marxist protests.
    I think the agenda depends on the group.

    I think I understand a little bit about the region, but I'm not the total expert. Let's start with that. I think the people in Gaza just want to be free mostly, and that's something I understand, you do not choose where you are born. So I think a major part of Hamas is wanting to be free. Now, the organization itself, is about more, about the destruction of Israel, but maybe people join it for other reasons, I think that's quite complicated.

    Now if we speak about Hezbollah or Iran, they quite clearly do not care about the Palestinians and use them in their (proxy) war against Israel.

    Syria and Lebanon, really do not care either way too much probably and mostly want to stay out. I think they would rather have a stable economy than another war. Egypt has been quite cool about the whole situation...

    For me it's simple, I wish the best to any good-willing individual on both sides but I do understand that Israel is trying to take Hamas completely out of the picture. If Hamas would have done strikes strictly on military targets, without executions and the like, I could have had some understanding for that too.
    Last edited by luctor-et-emergo; 11-16-2023 at 02:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status...29695097962849
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  30. #716
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    If "Israel" wanted peace and respect, they never would have supported Hamas over the PA, and they wouldn't have supported ISIS and other terrorist groups. "Israel" is not interested in peace, respect, or any of its founding agreements. It is a predatory regime testing the waters, and it has BIG plans.
    In nature you have two kinds of dangerous animals, one of them advertises their danger the other is aggressive. Israel in this case is the brightly coloured frog. Hamas is the banana spider jumping against the glass of the terrarium 20 times to attack someone on the other side. You are not far off, but I do think you are wrong about the intentions of Israel, they do not want to commit genocide, really, they want peace and stability above all, but they will try to get what they want in the most effective way.
    Last edited by luctor-et-emergo; 11-16-2023 at 02:20 PM.
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  31. #717
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Israel in this case is... Hamas is...
    Israel did create Hamas. I don't feel all that cocksure they are in any way different entities, except that Israel declared Hamas' flag to be false.

  32. #718
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Israel did create Hamas. I don't feel all that cocksure they are in any way different entities, except that Israel declared Hamas' flag to be false.
    Are you claiming Hamas is run by Israel?
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  33. #719
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Are you claiming Hamas is run by Israel?
    Are you claiming that it's impossible? Because Israel admits that they controlled Hamas, from the moment they created it right up to the moment they claim they lost control of it.

    I don't know about you, but Israel has lied to me before.

    No, I can't claim to know that for a fact. But this attack serves Israel's stated goals one hell of a lot better than the goals of the typical Palestinian. So it seems worthy of consideration, unless you're phobic about the ADL calling you an antisemite.

  34. #720
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Hamas treated their abductees well. They did not kill 1,200 Israelis. Catch up on your research.
    That 1,200 was revised down from 1,400. If you are referring to the reports that IDF killed some of their own citizens while trying to kill Hamas fighters, that could very well be true. The Israelis have a long history of not caring about civilian casualties.

    I do not and will not ever support or make excuses for Hamas, they are terrorists.



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