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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    https://twitter.com/Trump_History45/...05675100930052

    That would make a great poster for my bedroom wall...sigh
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's not just that he will take more votes from Trump than from Biden (or Newsom), it's not even that the Dems will make up any lost votes in the cheating while using his candidacy as cover for extra cheating (who would look for votes switched from Trump to RFK?), it's that he is objectively worse than Trump even if he somehow did win.

    If he runs 3rd party it will have been his plan all along to hand the election to Biden for his Dem friends.
    Well it's a good thing Trump is a 3D chess master who will be dropping nuclear bombshells during the general election that will guarantee him a victory so he shouldn't have anything to worry about right?
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It went to court, and the Democrats won their case. The primary is nothing but an informal poll of the ignorant mundanes.
    ya , the problem i see with it is they are taking party money and probably using some county and state monies to literally hold a legal election and then claiming it is not . That should never have held up in court
    Do something Danke

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Blue state retards will probably still "vote" for Biden, if its Trump v Biden.

    Its the red states which could be harmed.

    Although in the 2020 Steal, no one really voted for Biden, they just voted against Trump.
    Correct blue state retards will vote biden happily
    Do something Danke

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Correct blue state retards will vote biden happily
    There is no chance Democrat elites are going to nominate Corn Pop's Bitch.
    “You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!” - Andrew Jackson

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If he runs 3rd party it will have been his plan all along to hand the election to Biden for his Dem friends.
    I am very doubtful of the "his Dem friends" idea.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If he runs 3rd party it will have been his plan all along to hand the election to Biden for his Dem friends.
    Isn't it more probable that RFK as 3rd party candidate will attract potentional Democrat voters, so will help get a Republican president (s)elected?!?

    Steve Bannon (who seems "Republican") has boasted that he made Bobby Kennedy Jr. run for president...
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Isn't it more probable that RFK as 3rd party candidate will attract potentional Democrat voters, so will help get a Republican president (s)elected?!?

    Steve Bannon (who seems "Republican") has boasted that he made Bobby Kennedy Jr. run for president...
    At this point who knows? Biden and Trump have the lowest combined favorability ratings in history. Anything could happen even a 3 way race.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzu View Post
    I am very doubtful of the "his Dem friends" idea.
    Same here. The idea that RFK is working with the people that killed his father, uncle, and nephew is preposterous. RFK is his own man during his own thing. If he ends up screwing Trump in the end Trump will have no one to blame but himself.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    "We have no representation!"

    "We" never did. "We" never will.

    I don't know what "representation" is really even supposed to be or mean (especially in a continent-spanning nation of a third of a billion people). If it means something like "someone else (i.e., a 'representative') in a position of power believing or acting on the basis of things I like or agree with", and if others who believe things I dislike or disagree with are also entitled to such "representation", then "representation" is in effect just a manifestation of the conflict between the fans of this, that, or the other sportsball team. A (potentially deadly) game with serious and significant consequences, to be sure - but still just a game (complete with trick plays, cheating, etc.).

    The mechanisms of governance should never be geared to "representing" people. They should be geared to leaving them alone (and punishing those who don't). Liberty is impossible so long as it is expected to be implemented via any kind of "representation". Liberty and "representation" are in inverse relation to one another - the more one is "represented", the less agency one possesses [1]. (Add competing and mutually incompatible & irreconcilable "representatives" to the mix - et voilà, "muh democracy"!)

    IOW: People need to stop pining for more or better "representation" (whether by Trump, or RFK Jr., or whomever) [2], and start asserting their own agency (by noncompliance, passive & active resistance, etc.).



    [1] And the larger the population, the more dilute the "representation" (to whatever extent it really even existed in the first place).

    [2] I must confess I am occasionally guilty of this myself (so I understand the impulse):
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Good for Massie! He's (once again) demonstrating why he's the best Congressman we have (House or Senate).
    (I don't even live in Kentucky - but as far as I'm concerned, he's my House Rep.)
    But in my defense, I offer the following exhibits:

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Let's see Trump, RFK Jr., et al. (whether Republican, Democrat, or Independent - or even Libertarian, given recent history) openly and explicitly endorse that (and actually mean it, without further qualification). Then and only then will advocates of liberty have found someone truly worthy of being supported. Anything else is just so much "rah! rah!" sportsball cheerleading for "our" team (or for some other team to knock our rivals out of contention).
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-01-2023 at 11:52 PM.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzu View Post
    I am very doubtful of the "his Dem friends" idea.
    You mean all the ones like Hitlery and Newsom that he repeatedly endorsed and supported?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Isn't it more probable that RFK as 3rd party candidate will attract potentional Democrat voters, so will help get a Republican president (s)elected?!?

    Steve Bannon (who seems "Republican") has boasted that he made Bobby Kennedy Jr. run for president...
    Robert Kennedy Jr Admits His Campaign Has Done Polling on Running Independent and He Takes More General Election Votes from Donald Trump Than Joe Biden

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...han-joe-biden/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Same here. The idea that RFK is working with the people that killed his father, uncle, and nephew is preposterous. RFK is his own man during his own thing. If he ends up screwing Trump in the end Trump will have no one to blame but himself.
    He's been working with them his entire adult life.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Robert Kennedy Jr Admits His Campaign Has Done Polling on Running Independent and He Takes More General Election Votes from Donald Trump Than Joe Biden
    Bobby Kennedy is a patholigical liar like most lawyers and (other) politicians. Are you saying we should believe him?!?

    If RFK would run independent to take away potentital votes for Democrats that would explain that he's affiliated with Bannon, Stone, and backed by Trump donors...

    Of the $9.8 million donated to the campaign of the corrupt eco-fascist attorney, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., $5 million came from Timothy Mellon, longtime Republican donor including Donald Trump. The Mellon family is one of the top billionaire families in the US.
    Another $4.5 million came from Gavin de Becker, who is best known as an author and security advisor to the rich and corrupt (including Amazon founder Jeff Bezos).

    Gavin de Becker, the long-time security advisor and friend of Jeff Bezos, now leads RFK Jr's security.
    De Becker and Bezos have accused the Enquirer of blackmailing Bezos over his relationship with his muscular girlfriend, Lauren Sanchez. They supposedly did this because Bezos’ The Washington Post, that has given Trump so much free publicity, criticised the Donald.

    Gavin De Becker has accused Lauren’s gay brother, Michael Sanchez, of hacking Bezos phone and leaking the material to the Enquirer.
    For an argument, De Becker says that Michael Sanchez is supporting Trump, and has close ties to Trump insiders Roger Stone (who was also picture with RFK Jr) and Carter Page.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Bobby Kennedy is a patholigical liar like most lawyers and (other) politicians. Are you saying we should believe him?!?

    If RFK would run independent to take away potentital votes for Democrats that would explain that he's affiliated with Bannon, Stone, and backed by Trump donors...

    Of the $9.8 million donated to the campaign of the corrupt eco-fascist attorney, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., $5 million came from Timothy Mellon, longtime Republican donor including Donald Trump. The Mellon family is one of the top billionaire families in the US.
    Another $4.5 million came from Gavin de Becker, who is best known as an author and security advisor to the rich and corrupt (including Amazon founder Jeff Bezos).

    Gavin de Becker, the long-time security advisor and friend of Jeff Bezos, now leads RFK Jr's security.
    De Becker and Bezos have accused the Enquirer of blackmailing Bezos over his relationship with his muscular girlfriend, Lauren Sanchez. They supposedly did this because Bezos’ The Washington Post, that has given Trump so much free publicity, criticised the Donald.

    Gavin De Becker has accused Lauren’s gay brother, Michael Sanchez, of hacking Bezos phone and leaking the material to the Enquirer.
    For an argument, De Becker says that Michael Sanchez is supporting Trump, and has close ties to Trump insiders Roger Stone (who was also picture with RFK Jr) and Carter Page.
    Boycott-the-elections
    Everyone at that level is connected to everyone else.
    That doesn't mean they are always on the same team.

    What is clear is that RFK Jr. has constantly supported and endorsed Demoncrats like Hitlery and Newsom. (Newsom being the likely replacement for Biden soon)
    What is also clear is that the hard core maniacal leftists who provided the few real votes Biden got will not vote for RFK and the fraud will not be used for him either.
    His sudden shift (ever so slightly) to the right and his run are clearly intended to perpetuate the power of the puppet masters behind Biden.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    His sudden shift (ever so slightly) to the right and his run are clearly intended to perpetuate the power of the puppet masters...
    You do realize this could have been said about Trump in 2016, right? Could have been said, and was.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    IOW: People need to stop pining for more or better "representation" (whether by Trump, or RFK Jr., or whomever) [2], and start asserting their own agency (by noncompliance, passive & active resistance, etc.)
    I wish they were pining for representation.

    They have not been called representatives in decades now.

    They are "lawmakers" or "regulators" or "authorities" or "officials".

    And the people have fully bought into the concept of Führerprinzip.

    All they want is somebody to tell them where to squat and $#@!.

    Otherwise, spot on.
    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Everyone at that level is connected to everyone else.
    That doesn't mean they are always on the same team.
    Obviously we disagree, I think there is an elite group of people (that includes Kennedy and Trump) that work together to keep the masses enslaved.

    See at the ReAwaken America show, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. posing for pictures with Trump's dirty trickster Roger Stone and his dismissed NSA Michael Flynn, in July 2021.


    .
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What is also clear is that the hard core maniacal leftists who provided the few real votes Biden got will not vote for RFK and the fraud will not be used for him either.
    His sudden shift (ever so slightly) to the right and his run are clearly intended to perpetuate the power of the puppet masters behind Biden.
    I will admit that I'm no good at predicting US presidential elections, both in 2016 and 2020 I was wrong.
    If RFK Jr will promote a standard "Democrat" agenda it is clear that he won't take any votes from Trump, but all the more from the Democrat candidate (probably Biden).


    I've started a new poll...
    Will RFK Jr. get a Democrat or Republican president elected?
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You do realize this could have been said about Trump in 2016, right? Could have been said, and was.
    And that's exactly why I neither voted for nor supported Trump in 2016.
    Trump's record before he was in office was much better than RFK's and his record in office was good enough for me to support him absent any better option.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 10-03-2023 at 12:59 AM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And that's exactly why I neither voted for nor supported Trump in 2016.
    Trump's record before he was in office was much better than RFK's and his record in office was good enough for me to support him absent any better option.
    Trump's record before he was in office was, he was a Democrat who paid a lot of bribes. RFKJr's was, he was a Democrat who fought the death jab and exposed the CIA.

    You may prefer either of those you wish to. I know which I prefer.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump's record before he was in office was, he was a Democrat who paid a lot of bribes. RFKJr's was, he was a Democrat who fought the death jab and exposed the CIA.

    You may prefer either of those you wish to. I know which I prefer.
    Nice cherry picking.
    You ignore him wanting climate skeptics locked up, and wanting gun bans, including for people DHS secretly put on No Fly lists with no Due Process and many other radical leftist positions.
    You also ignore him supporting lockdowns, requiring proof of vaxx to visit his house, and supporting and endorsing the people imposing the lockdowns and mandates.
    His record is far worse than Trump's ever was.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You also ignore him supporting lockdowns, requiring proof of vaxx to visit his house, and supporting and endorsing the people imposing the lockdowns and mandates.
    I thought that spooky Donald started the brutal lockdowns, got the clot shots approved (including of Johnson & Johnson!), and appointed and endorsed all of the people selling us the big pharma propaganda!

    Appointing an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune is also on Donald's list of "good deeds"...

    .
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    The Mar-a-Lago troika has made a nice profit from their control over VA.
    Starting in February 2017, Perlmutter negotiated with executives at Johnson & Johnson, on a public awareness campaign about veteran suicide.
    They planned a promotional event at the New York Stock Exchange around the time of Veterans Day. Executives from Perlmutter’s company Marvel and its parent company, Disney, joined Johnson & Johnson as sponsors of the Veterans Day event.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Trump has enthusiastically endorsed Johnson & Johnson’s psychiatric drug Spravato, to prevent veterans from committing suicide. This was after the advice of the Mar-a-Lago troika - Marvel Entertainment chairman Ike Perlmutter, physician Bruce Moskowitz and lawyer Marc Sherman.
    In 2017, the Mar-a-Lago troika worked with Veterans Affairs (VA) and Johnson & Johnson for an advertising appearance at the New York Stock Exchange. Some think that these men have a stake in Johnson & Johnson.

    (...)

    In one of the trials for Spravato, 6 people on the drug died, including 3 by suicide. There were no deaths in the placebo control group.
    According to psychiatrist Erick Turner, the FDA’s approval relied on one study site where the drug performed suspiciously well. The result barely met the threshold for being statistically significant, Turner commented
    .

    Trump pressured the FDA to emergency approve the deadly J&J COVID vaccines.
    The video on Johnson & Johnson's intentions to turn the population into opiod addicts was deleted by Youtube for some reason.

    Donald's UK ambassador, in another one of those strange "coincidences", Woody Johnson is an heir to the Johnson & Johnson big pharma company.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nice cherry picking.
    You ignore...
    No, I don't. I just dislike someone paying hundreds of billions to Pfizer to develop a poison and call it a "vaccine" all that much more.

    That's what you ignore. Over and over and over and over. That's why people consider you completely unreasonable, and impossible to have a rational conversation with.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-04-2023 at 05:11 AM.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No, I don't. I just dislike someone paying hundreds of billions to Pfizer to develop a poison and call it a "vaccine" all that much more.

    That's what you ignore. Over and over and over and over. That's why people consider you completely unreasonable, and impossible to have a rational conversation with.
    You are being polite, but it's more than that.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    You are being polite, but it's more than that.
    To me the most hilariously hypocritical thing is the way he mutters and spams about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, then goes all King Nitpicker on anyone he doesn't approve of.

    So, he considers us foolish to have standards, and insults us for it. And then he uses our standards as a lever to manipulate us, acting as if our standards are important. And then whines when nobody seems to trust him.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-04-2023 at 06:22 AM.



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  32. #57
    Yeah, he does have a problem with the truth...and his next level of super hypocrisy...etc. But I could be wrong. I definitely think he has a man crush going on though. Poor fellow (I hope I used the right pronoun).
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    I thought that spooky Donald started the brutal lockdowns, got the clot shots approved (including of Johnson & Johnson!), and appointed and endorsed all of the people selling us the big pharma propaganda!

    Appointing an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune is also on Donald's list of "good deeds"...

    .


    .

    Trump pressured the FDA to emergency approve the deadly J&J COVID vaccines.
    The video on Johnson & Johnson's intentions to turn the population into opiod addicts was deleted by Youtube for some reason.

    Donald's UK ambassador, in another one of those strange "coincidences", Woody Johnson is an heir to the Johnson & Johnson big pharma company.
    Perlmutter-Moskowitz-and-Sherman-control-Veterans-Affairs
    Trump didn't start the lockdowns and he pushed back against them saying the cure couldn't be worse than the disease.
    He pushed for a vaccine to end them but he insisted on no mandates and he pushed alternative treatments that would have prevented the emergency authorizations of the shots.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump didn't start the lockdowns and he pushed back against them saying the cure couldn't be worse than the disease.
    He pushed for a vaccine to end them...
    ... which was not only a "cure" worse than the disease, it was worse than that other "cure" that you're trying to use as an excuse for Trump advancing a plan for actual, genuine, real, ongoing genocide.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    ... which was not only a "cure" worse than the disease, it was worse than that other "cure" that you're trying to use as an excuse for Trump advancing a plan for actual, genuine, real, ongoing genocide.
    My god, his irrational thought process is very troubling.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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