Defiant

[Anti Federalist]

You are starting to get closer now, who's pointing the gun? They are your enemy.

I'm well aware of that.

Always have been.

This is war...in war there are foot soldiers and generals and then ruling classes. An almost universal perverse truth is that, in war, the foot soldiers called to actually do the fighting and dying often are very similar to each other. That scene in Braveheart where the Irish embrace at the Battle of Falkirk or the Christmas Truce of WWI are a couple of examples.

A united people against a ruling class is a powerful force.

But these are not normal times, and the people allied against me are not similar or "brothers" in any way, shape or form.

Here's an example:

https://twitter.com/liz_churchill10/...86819299401901

"Unite" with that?

I'll die first.

[acptulsa]

"Unite" with that?

I'll die first.

I must confess, it's painful to think of sharing a foxhole with these unrepentant and surprisingly arrogant (for people so incredibly easy to manipulate) morons of the rank and file. One does wonder why they can't shoot themselves in the foot without shooting our feet too.



The good news is that the Head Psychos In Charge are even more arrogant, and are alienating their most useful idiots by ruining their neighborhoods, insulting their so-called intelligence, depriving them of grandchildren and making them sick.

[TheCount]

So you're saying you cannot produce alternatives?

Alternatives to what?

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The problem has been that a rational liberty minded person would have tended to let people be who they want to be. That has not worked because none of these extreme groups want to be left alone. They are literally coming and gunning for you. They have no problem killing anyone or imprisoning them.

Furthermore, their ideology is not based on rationale or science but emotion and somehow they got a huge population of the planet to swallow their pill. Even courts and lawmakers are running with this ideology.

Big money and brilliant minds must be behind the curtain. There must be a reason besides what is being allowed to fester at this moment. I cannot believe the powerful elites with the plan will allow this longterm. These idiots don't see that they will never be allowed to survive. This is like allowing snakes in the home to eradicate the mice. The homeowner will not coexist with the snake.

[Cap]

The thread speaks for itself.

[Anti Federalist]

Alternatives to what?

You take issue with what I am posting.

Prove me wrong...post counter points and alternatives.

For instance, we are told that very dangerous angry white men are the main perpetrators of mass shootings in the US.

I have disputed this numerous times.

So prove me wrong.

Using the agreed upon definition of a "mass shooting" as four or more shot in one incident, unrelated to any other incident, excluding shooter or shooters, prove that.

[acptulsa]

Big money and brilliant minds must be behind the curtain. There must be a reason besides what is being allowed to fester at this moment. I cannot believe the powerful elites with the plan will allow this longterm. These idiots don't see that they will never be allowed to survive. This is like allowing snakes in the home to eradicate the mice. The homeowner will not coexist with the snake.

They are already being culled, and they consider those who refuse to be culled with them insane. Their arrogance blinds them to their own self-destruction. Yes, there are some brains behind this psyop. It has turned pride into the deadliest of the deadly sins.

History is full of all the warning signs they could possibly need. Cognitive dissonance will kill you.

[Cap]

This thread reeks of bed-wetting fear, sorry but that's how I see it.

[Anti Federalist]

The thread speaks for itself.

I should hope so...I'm being as clear as I can be.

[acptulsa]

This thread reeks of bed-wetting fear, sorry but that's how I see it.

Arrogant of conservatives who see how fear was used to give all liberals AIDS, but assume all the fears the machine is working to stir up in them are more justified than fear of covid was. And to assume they couldn't possibly fall for "remedies" which are just as self-destructive.

[Anti Federalist]

This thread reeks of bed-wetting fear, sorry but that's how I see it.

Sorry you see it that way.

I could make the same claim against those that think a monetary collapse is right around the corner, or that the mRNA shots are deadly poison.

The invasion and destruction of white, western civilization is a big deal to me.

Everything "we" claim to hold dear, individual liberty, the rights of man, free markets and free enterprise and rule of law and all the rest springs from that civilization.

All those things will be gone when the civilization is gone.

Not to mention you and me and our children.

[nobody's_hero]

I'm well aware of that.

Always have been.

This is war...in war there are foot soldiers and generals and then ruling classes. An almost universal perverse truth is that, in war, the foot soldiers called to actually do the fighting and dying often are very similar to each other. That scene in Braveheart where the Irish embrace at the Battle of Falkirk or the Christmas Truce of WWI are a couple of examples.

A united people against a ruling class is a powerful force.

But these are not normal times, and the people allied against me are not similar or "brothers" in any way, shape or form.

Spoiler alerts please. Some of us who haven't finished this game were expecting some sort of grand boss fight at the end.

You mean all we are ever going to get to fight are the level 1 enemies in the tutorial level? Such a disappointment.

(It's true though. You'll only get to fight their foot soldiers.)

[Cap]

Being a proxy for the one pointing the gun in a war here, is just so Ukrainian, congrats.

[acptulsa]

But these are not normal times, and the people allied against me are not similar or "brothers" in any way, shape or form.

How convenient for you. My brother is sane enough, but sisters tend to be nuts. What am I supposed to do with a sister? You, I assume, have no sisters.

Spoiler alerts please. Some of us who haven't finished this game were expecting some sort of grand boss fight at the end.

You mean all we are ever going to get to fight are the level 1 enemies in the tutorial level? Such a disappointment.

(It's true though. You'll only get to fight their foot soldiers.)

See, that's the problem. I don't know if the problem is that it's true, or that we assume it's true and make it true. But if people start turning up dead with names like Fauci, Gates, Soros and Schwab, our lives will become much better with a quickness. And when I say "our", I'm talking about people of both genders and every color.

[TheCount]

For instance, we are told that very dangerous angry white men are the main perpetrators of mass shootings in the US.

I have disputed this numerous times.

So prove me wrong.

"Media A is telling me to be scared of angry white people.

Media B is asking me to be scared of angry black people.

Which one should I be scared of?"


This is a false choice. My answer is neither.

[Anti Federalist]

How convenient for you. My brother is sane enough, but sisters tend to be nuts. What am I supposed to do with a sister? You, I assume, have no sisters.

No, but I have two crazy ass cousins, one who raised a queeer son, the other in enabling her transqueeer daughter to run around thinking she is a man.

That killed that whole branch of the family tree.

See, that's the problem. I don't know if the problem is that it's true, or that we assume it's true and make it true. But if people start turning up dead with names like Fauci, Gates, Soros and Schwab, our lives will become much better with a quickness. And when I say "our", I'm talking about people of both genders and every color.

I've been hesitant in the past to "gloat" over the demise of our enemies.

Bad karma and all that.

But if one morning I were to read that any of those $#@!ers were found swinging from a short rope in a high tree, I'd smile and salute.

[Anti Federalist]

"Media A is telling me to be scared of angry white people.

Media B is asking me to be scared of angry black people.

Which one should I be scared of?"

This is a false choice. My answer is neither.

Your answer is wrong and based on nothing more than feelings and "I wish it was so".

The horribly lopsided crime statistics show an utterly different story.

Rational black men will tell you do not get yourself surrounded by a crowd of angry black folks.

[Philhelm]

You are starting to get closer now, who's pointing the gun? They are your enemy.

I think that it's a little more complex than that, since plenty of the so-called "useful idiots" aren't necessarily dupes but willful participants.

The left is mostly a coalition of elite villains, pampered government employees, well-to-do people who can afford luxury beliefs (i.e. they can withstand cost of living increases that hurt others so that they can feel good about supporting pet social justice issues), axe-grinders (SJWs that crusade on one or a combination of issues such as race, sexuality, gender, immigration, etc.), and poor people dependent on government (this is obviously a generalization). I often hear people proclaim how stupid the left is, but that doesn't really jive with reality since, for example, they dominate the legal, medical, and education fields. While people with above-average intelligence may not always have good judgment or developed critical thinking ability, I think that the real issue is that many of them are just bad people. If they are promoting such insanity and they aren't stupid, what are they?

If they are indeed bad people, then they don't simply disappear when the true manipulators are removed from the equation.

[Cap]

I think that it's a little more complex than that, since plenty of the so-called "useful idiots" aren't necessarily dupes but willful participants.

The left is mostly a coalition of elite villains, pampered government employees, well-to-do people who can afford luxury beliefs (i.e. they can withstand cost of living increases that hurt others so that they can feel good about supporting pet social justice issues), axe-grinders (SJWs that crusade on one or a combination of issues such as race, sexuality, gender, immigration, etc.), and poor people dependent on government (this is obviously a generalization). I often hear people proclaim how stupid the left is, but that doesn't really jive with reality since, for example, they dominate the legal, medical, and education fields. While people with above-average intelligence may not always have good judgment or developed critical thinking ability, I think that the real issue is that many of them are just bad people. If they are promoting such insanity and they aren't stupid, what are they?

If they are indeed bad people, then they don't simply disappear when the true manipulators are removed from the equation.

Hey, if you want to be a proxy for a side in this culture war instead of going after the true enemy...I thought we were critical thinkers.

[Philhelm]

"Media A is telling me to be scared of angry white people.

Media B is asking me to be scared of angry black people.

Which one should I be scared of?"


This is a false choice. My answer is neither.

"Media A" isn't telling people to be scared of angry white people but to ridicule and hate them. People who are truly fearful wouldn't ridicule that which they fear, at least not so openly.

[Philhelm]

Hey, if you want to be a proxy for a side in this culture war instead of going after the true enemy...I thought we were critical thinkers.

I'd argue that I'm being critical of the common mantra that the elite use wedge issues to divide and conquer a populace that would otherwise be at relative peace. If anything, you're using a common talking point that needs to be recalibrated.

My assertion is that while the elite are indeed using these people as proxies (to use your term), the so-called proxies still retain agency, since many of them aren't merely dupes but willful perpetrators with their own agendas. I contend that it wouldn't be like Lord of the Rings, wherein the destruction of Sauron results in the entire orc army disbanding and going into hiding for centuries. In other words, I don't believe that removing the elite the equation would solve the problem. It would surely improve the problem greatly, but their foot soldiers would still remain since they didn't need the goading of the elite to hate us.

Also, it doesn't really matter what I want, even if the rank-and-file were mere proxies. If people are gunning for me, I have to defend myself regardless of what I want or believe.

[TheCount]

Your answer is wrong and based on nothing more than feelings and "I wish it was so".

The horribly lopsided crime statistics show an utterly different story.

The statistics say that my life is more threatened by my bathtub and my money more threatened by my government.

Why should I hate black people instead of plumbers and politicians?

Rational black men will tell you do not get yourself surrounded by a crowd of angry black folks.

Is that a situation that you find yourself in often?

[Anti Federalist]

The statistics say that my life is more threatened by my bathtub and my money more threatened by my government.

Why should I hate black people instead of plumbers and politicians?

If your plumber deliberately booby trapped your plumbing in order to hurt you and rob you, yes, you should.

And hating politicians is already an established fact.

Is that a situation that you find yourself in often?

More than a couple of times.

[TheCount]

If your plumber deliberately booby trapped your plumbing in order to hurt you and rob you, yes, you should.

Then we agree.

Your standard for me to hate a plumber is whether or not that specific plumber, individually, committed violence against me.

I use that same standard for everyone.

More than a couple of times.

Fascinating.

[Invisible Man]

Rational black men will tell you do not get yourself surrounded by a crowd of angry black folks.

That seems easy enough. Problem solved.

[Anti Federalist]

Then we agree.

Your standard for me to hate a plumber is whether or not that specific plumber, individually, committed violence against me.

I use that same standard for everyone.

Fascinating.

Yes, you can.

Until enough of them do you harm, or say they intend to do you harm, when you realize, you don't have to pick up every snake in the desert to know a rattler will hurt you.

[Anti Federalist]

That seems easy enough. Problem solved.

Oh if only that were the case.

This goes so much deeper...

[Anti Federalist]

Hey, if you want to be a proxy for a side in this culture war instead of going after the true enemy...I thought we were critical thinkers.

And for people that claim to be deep, critical thinkers I find it difficult to understand that those critical thinkers cannot comprehend that all I am doing here is identifying the foot soldiers and countering the narrative of the people we agree are really pulling the strings.

[Occam's Banana]

SBF stole more money from white people than a hundred years of armed robberies will manage. You won't see his face in any of these threads.

Poor analogy.

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Also, money is not a victim - people are.

SBF had far fewer victims than all those armed robbers [1] did (I doubt you'd have to go back nearly a hundred years before you matched and exceeded his score) - and I'm pretty sure not nearly as many of SBF's victims were (physically) injured or killed, or even just threatened to be injured or killed. Many of them may have been victimized as much by their own greed as by SBF.

Between the set of {Sam Bankman-Fried} and the set of {armed robbers} [1], one is a significantly greater and more present danger to many more of a much wider variety of people than the other.



[1] Especially if you count asset-seizing feds and LEOs as "armed robbers", per acptulsa's graphic.

[Anti Federalist]

Also, money is not a victim - people are.

SBF had far fewer victims than all those armed robbers [1] did (I doubt you'd have to go back nearly a hundred years before you matched and exceeded his score) - and I'm pretty sure not nearly as many of SBF's victims were (physically) injured or killed, or even just threatened to be injured or killed. Many of them may have been victimized as much by their own greed as by SBF.

Between the set of {Sam Bankman-Fried} and the set of {armed robbers} [1], one is a significantly greater and more present danger to many more people than the other.



[1] Especially if you count "civil asset"-seizing feds and LEOs as "armed robbers", per acptulsa's graphic.

Agreed.