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    Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be ‘a big Israel.’ Here’s a road map.

    Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be ‘a big Israel.’ Here’s a road map.
    By Daniel B. Shapiro

    Speaking to reporters this week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy described the future he sees for his country in unusual terms: as “a big Israel.”

    Gone, he said, are hopes for “an absolutely liberal” state—replaced by the likely reality of armed defense forces patrolling movie theaters and supermarkets. “I’m confident that our security will be the number-one issue over the next ten years,” Zelenskyy added.
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    But what does he mean by “a big Israel”? With a population more than four times smaller, and vastly less territory, the Jewish state might not seem like the most fitting comparison. Yet consider the regional security threats it faces, as well as its highly mobilized population: The two embattled countries share more than you might think.

    So if Zelenskyy really does have Israel in mind as a model for Ukraine, here are some of the key features he might consider for adoption (some of which are already applicable today):
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    But maintain active defense partnerships: Self-defense doesn’t mean total isolation. Israel maintains active defense partnerships, chiefly with the United States, which provides generous military assistance, but also with other nations with whom it shares intelligence, technology, and training. While Ukraine will probably not join NATO any time soon, it can deepen security partnerships with Alliance members and receive aid, weaponry, intelligence, and training to bolster its self-defense.

    Intelligence dominance: From its earliest days, Israel has invested deeply in its intelligence capabilities to ensure that it has the means to detect and deter its enemies—and, when needed, act proactively to strike them. Ukraine will need to upgrade its intelligence services to compete against Russian capabilities and ensure that it’s prepared to prevent and repulse Russian attacks.
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    Build an innovation ecosystem: The training many Israelis receive in high-tech innovation in the military contributes to a civilian innovation ecosystem, which in turn promotes the development of new security technologies. Ukraine has no lack of talented coders and engineers (many of whom are employed by Israeli startups). Encouraging the free flow of talent and ideas between the civilian and security innovation spaces will pay long-term security and economic dividends.
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    More: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...es-a-road-map/
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    Israel will make sure that Ukraine doesn't successfully steal their thunder.
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    So take over lands that were never theirs, oppress the minority population and hold them in the world's largest prison camp? Seems like they were well on the way to doing that before Russia stepped in.

    The US needs to stop funding this corrupt $#@!show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    6) Max Blumenthal - “Ukraine: Europe’s ‘Big Israel’”



    Ukrainian president Zelensky has said that he intends to make Ukraine a "big Israel" in Europe - meaning armed to the teeth and ready for battle. Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone tells the Ron Paul Institute DC Conference why that is a very bad idea.
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    Historical relevance and connection of Ukraine to Israel:

    Odesa is the capital of the Odesa district, Ukraine. In the 19th century, it became the industrial and commercial center of southern Russia. In 1865 a university was founded. Odesa was an important center of the Russian revolutionary movement.
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    From the 1880s until the 1920s the Jewish community of Odesa was the second largest in the whole of Russia (after *Warsaw, the capital of Poland, then within czarist Russia) and it had considerable influence on the Jews of the country. The principal characteristics of this community, and responsible for its particular importance, were the rapid and constant growth of the Jewish population and its extensive participation in the economic development of the town, the outstanding "Western" character of its cultural life, and numerous communal institutions, especially educational and economic institutions, the social and political activity of the Jewish public, the mood of tension and struggle which was impressed on its history, and the Hebrew literary center which emerged there.
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    During the Soviet period, the Jewish population continued to grow: in 1926, 153,243 (of a total population of 420,862), and 200,981 in 1939 (out of 604,217). It was then the second largest Jewish population in Ukraine, after Kiev.
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    From the start, the Jews of Odesa engaged in retail trade and crafts. Their representation in these occupations remained important. In 1910, 56% of the small shops were still owned by Jews; they also constituted 63% of the town's craftsmen. Jewish economy in Odesa was distinguished by the role played by Jews in the export of grain via the harbor, in wholesale trade, banking and industry, the large numbers of Jews engaged in the liberal professions, and the existence of a large Jewish proletariat in variegated employment.
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    By 1838, Jews were well represented among the officials of the exchange, and as classifiers, sorters, weighers, and even loaders of grain. From the 1860s, however, Jewish enterprises won a predominant place in grain export and succeeded in supplanting the export companies of foreign merchants from their monopolist positions. During the early 1870s, the greater part of the grain exports was handled by Jews, and by 1910 over 80% of grain export companies were Jewish-owned, while Jews were responsible for almost 90% (89.2%) of grain exports.
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    Jews also held an important share of the wholesale trade; about one-half of the wholesale enterprises were owned by Jews in 1910. During the 1840s most of the bankers and moneychangers were Jews, and at the beginning of the 20th century, 70% of the banks of Odesa were administered by them.
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    The social and political awakening of the Jewish masses was also widespread in Odesa. Odesa Jews played an extensive and even prominent part in all trends of the Russian liberation movement. The Zionist movement also attracted masses of people.
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    From the inception of the *Ḥibbat Zion movement, Odesa served as its chief center. From here issued the first calls of M.L. *Lilienblum ("The revival of Israel on the land of its ancestors") and L. Pinsker ("Auto-Emancipation") which gave rise to the movement, worked for its unity ("Zerubbavel," 1883), and headed the leadership which was established after the *Kattowitz Conference ("Mazkeret Moshe," 1885–89). The *Benei Moshe society (founded by *Aḥad Ha-Am in 1889), which attempted to organize the intellectuals and activists of the movement, was established in Odesa. Odesa was also chosen as the seat of the settlement committee (the *Odesa Committee, called officially The Society for the Support of Agricultural Workers and Craftsmen in Syria and Palestine), the only legally authorized institution of the movement in Russia (1890–1917). Several other economic institutions for practical activities in Palestine (Geulah, the Carmel branch, etc.) were associated with it. Jewish emigration from Russia to Ereẓ Israel also passed through Odesa, which became the "Gateway to Zion."

    The social awakening of the masses gave rise to the popular character of the Zionist movement in Odesa. It succeeded in establishing an influential and ramified organization, attracting a stream of intellectual and energetic youth from the townlets of the Pale of Settlement to Odesa – the center of culture and site of numerous schools – and provided the Jewish national movement with powerful propagandists, especially from among the ranks of those devoted to Hebrew literature.
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    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/odessa
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    Odessa, the Cradle of Israeli Culture, Enjoys a Jewish Renaissance
    The Ukrainian port city of Odessa, once home to hundreds of thousands of Jews, is experiencing a ‘golden age’ - with modern Israel proving an unlikely inspiration
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/stat...76845026115879
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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