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    “Refugees”: What The Colossal Scam Is Really About

    Mayor Brandon Johnson announced Wednesday that the city of Chicago is facing a projected $538 million budget deficit for 2024 - a financial burden his administration blamed in part on the growing cost of caring for migrants.


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    Here's a no-brainer: Stop requesting/giving money. And the problem goes away on its own. No police-state apparatus needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Here's a no-brainer: Stop requesting/giving money. And the problem goes away on its own. No police-state apparatus needed.
    Normally that answer would be correct.

    But these are not normal conditions.

    This is an invading army, designed to supplant, displace and overthrow the existing order, for the purpose of taking over and utterly changing that order into something else.

    These people are military age men, mostly, and they are being funded by enemies of the republic, for that purpose.

    You could end every single handout at every single level of government, and they would still continue to invade us.

    Build the damn wall, recall the troops from around the world, put them on the border to protect our nation, not Ukraine or Iraq or South Korea, enlist the help of citizen militias and defend the nation from invasion like the constitution says the fedgov is supposed to do.
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    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/stat...79913146114270

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Normally that answer would be correct.

    But these are not normal conditions.

    This is an invading army, designed to supplant, displace and overthrow the existing order, for the purpose of taking over and utterly changing that order into something else.

    These people are military age men, mostly, and they are being funded by enemies of the republic, for that purpose.

    You could end every single handout at every single level of government, and they would still continue to invade us.

    Build the damn wall, recall the troops from around the world, put them on the border to protect our nation, not Ukraine or Iraq or South Korea, enlist the help of citizen militias and defend the nation from invasion like the constitution says the fedgov is supposed to do.
    When you quote “military age men”, that is another msm scare tactic. The “men” are obviously not babies/little kids, nor are they beyond retirement/nursing home age. Military age men: teens to +/- 50.


    You know my position, and I will not sway from it. Cut the funding, and stop welcoming them with open arms. Other than that, be prepared for more costly and draconian measures, which is exactly what this government wants to impose. It is all part of the plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    When you quote “military age men”, that is another msm scare tactic. The “men” are obviously not babies/little kids, nor are they beyond retirement/nursing home age. Military age men: teens to +/- 50.
    The MSM is fully in favor of the invasion.

    People fleeing economic issues, or political strife, flee with their families.

    Especially in Europe, women and children are nowhere to be seen.


    You know my position, and I will not sway from it. Cut the funding, and stop welcoming them with open arms. Other than that, be prepared for more costly and draconian measures, which is exactly what this government wants to impose. It is all part of the plan.
    Nor will I.

    By all means, cut it all.

    But the invasion will not stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Normally that answer would be correct.

    But these are not normal conditions...

    Build the damn wall, recall the troops from around the world, put them on the border to protect our nation, not Ukraine or Iraq or South Korea, enlist the help of citizen militias and defend the nation from invasion like the constitution says the fedgov is supposed to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You know my position, and I will not sway from it. Cut the funding, and stop welcoming them with open arms. Other than that, be prepared for more costly and draconian measures, which is exactly what this government wants to impose. It is all part of the plan.
    Yes, my position has always been the same. But when some large, shadowy organization is marching them up from the south with food, water and Obamaphone service provided along the way, I think I'd be inclined to find out who and do something about them.

    Especially when some of these Latinos start turning into Africans (or anyone else from across an ocean).

    Prolly why they don't give me Biden's title.

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    Invasion.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1703531936797294611

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Invasion.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1703531936797294611

    Actually, it's Cloward-Piven strategy, which has been written about many times on RPF over the years. Overwhelm the social support system to the point of mental and fiscal collapse.

    It's interesting watching the "sanctuary cities" now see the repercussions of their voting and rhetoric choices in the recent past. In fact, it reminds me of George Carlin's rant on environmentalists (specifically starting at 1:55 mark in vid). The thing about easily emotionally manipulated liberal minds is that once their "habitat" is disrupted by their voting choices, they complain and flee, taking their tax money with them but also the same liberal mindset. I see this in the bigger societal picture and have seen it in personal one-on-one observations. Black Lives Matter! Diversity! Inclusion! .....until the black people are taking over their favorite friday night white bar watering holes.... It all sounds great to them until it disrupts their "clean habitat". Well worth rewatching George's bits today for perspective on what's happening now. The man was a prophet.

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    The replacement migration plan is an official UN document.
    It calls for flooding the "developed" world with migrants because of lower birth rates.

    For some reason the US is NOT to be flooded with migrants according to this UN plan.

    UN Document From 2000 Exposes Global ‘Migration Replacement’ Solution
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Mayor Brandon Johnson announced Wednesday that the city of Chicago is facing a projected $538 million budget deficit for 2024 - a financial burden his administration blamed in part on the growing cost of caring for migrants.


    I don't know if TikToc can be embedded, but here it is:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcchicago/v...38868817743147



    https://www.lewrockwell.com/politica...-really-about/

    The tiktok vid also demonstrates the end-stage looting going on at all levels of government, Chicago in this example, via crony contracts that are not being accounted or disclosed. It's truly lawlessness underway. Just plain theft, perhaps not in a material sense like taking your neighbor's lawnmower but in a philosophical sense of taking your neighbor's energy. Nurses in migrant shelters pulling $20k per week? $60m disappearing into accounting blackholes?

    Since Covid started (and I posted this thought when it did) it was the start of the "steal everything not nailed down" phase of empire dissolution, not unlike the last days of Rome. It's a shame that humanity has fallen for such greed as to throw each under the bus for imaginary accounting book entries that are erased as easily as they were created...smh. At least the Romans stole real hard money and treasures, not imaginary Matrix bull$#@!.



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    Last edited by devil21; 09-26-2023 at 01:09 AM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    https://twitter.com/i/status/1692399889550909499

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    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-18-2023 at 07:00 AM.
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    @Anti Federalist

    Government is not going to save you. Not even fed.gov, even if they did what you propose. The redistribution of money will continue to occur, as shown in the OP, which also emboldens the police-state, while RFK, Trump, and other politicians propose "national security solutions" and people cheer it on.

    You can build all the walls that you want around the entire country and line them with machine guns. But as long as philanthropists and NGO's coordinate and facilitate the red carpet, and "heart-felt" tax-payer money is redistributed [even to pay $20,000 salaries to nurses], there will always be supply/demand which keeps the revolving door open.

    Which brings me to thinking again about Tom Wood's podcast a couple of years ago, and how that would be a viable solution; Small-Cell Communities. Buy yourself some private property in an area like FSP and other parts of the country which are doing the same. Once the area is Privately Owned, you have more and legitimate control. I doubt FSP would provide free anything for immigrants, or even red-blooded Americans who do not want to work. They certainly would not approve $63M going to "Favorite Staffing" based out of Kansas.

    The overall problem is not going to rectify by implementing half-ass solutions (they only makes things worse), or even during my/your lifetime for that matter. You are dealing not only with immigrants, but red-blooded Americans who have no problem paying "their fair share of taxes" which facilitates it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    [MENTION=3169]Which brings me to thinking again about Tom Wood's podcast a couple of years ago, and how that would be a viable solution; Small-Cell Communities. Buy yourself some private property in an area like FSP and other parts of the country which are doing the same. Once the area is Privately Owned, you have more and legitimate control. I doubt FSP would provide free anything for immigrants, or even red-blooded Americans who do not want to work. They certainly would not approve $63M going to "Favorite Staffing" based out of Kansas.
    How would you propose defending a Small Cell Community?

    We are watching, in real time, an invasion of a Small Cell Community on the island of Lampedusa in Italy.

    In three days 10,000 African invaders have stormed the island with a population of 6000.

    What should those people do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    How would you propose defending a Small Cell Community?
    A Small-Cell-Community of privately-owned-property-owners can do whatever is absolutely necessary, without affecting my right to travel through public land. The small-cell-community would "just say no" to free schooling, free housing, etc.

    We are watching, in real time, an invasion of a Small Cell Community on the island of Lampedusa in Italy.

    In three days 10,000 African invaders have stormed the island with a population of 6000.

    What should those people do?
    I would mind my own business and worry about my own solutions for me and my own family/community. I approach it the same way that I do concerning meddling/foreign policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I would mind my own business and worry about my own solutions for me and my own family/community. I approach it the same way that I do concerning meddling/foreign policy.
    Ignoring it is not a viable solution.

    100 invaders will show up at your door, appropriate your property and belongings, if you're lucky, will give you a beating instead of killing you and then throw you out of "their" house.

    A Small-Cell-Community of privately-owned-property-owners can do whatever is absolutely necessary, without affecting my right to travel through public land. The small-cell-community would "just say no" to free schooling, free housing, etc.
    Do you honestly think those 10,000 African young men crossed the Med in half sunken boats to go to free school in Lampedusa, Italy?
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-18-2023 at 09:07 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ignoring it is not a viable solution.
    .Gov, is that you calling?


    100 invaders will show up at your door, appropriate your property and belongings, if you're lucky, will give you a beating instead of killing you and then throw you out of "their" house.
    They, like me, will have to weight Risk versus Reward. My home is not a gun-free-zone.


    Do you honestly think those 10,000 African young men crossed the Med in half sunken boats to go to free school in Lampedusa, Italy?
    The Great Reset wants a One World Order. They count on, rely on, central governments to coordinate their effort; Importing immigrants, while TAXING people to death, while at the same time establishing Police-State tactics, such as "we need to document and ID every person on earth", as well as Eminent Domain of personal/business Private Property. "You will own nothing and be happy", while happily forfeiting your Bill of Rights, private property rights and private contract rights. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you.

    Have a Town Hall, AF. Discuss what solutions you as a cell-community can come up with. You can not solve the worlds problems without first taking care of your own family/community. That includes defending and protecting the very Bill of Rights which this country seems to be abandoning - for the sake of "security".

    I don't trust this government further than I can spit, let alone have them come up with their globalist and organized-crime "solutions".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Normally that answer would be correct.

    But these are not normal conditions.

    This is an invading army, designed to supplant, displace and overthrow the existing order, for the purpose of taking over and utterly changing that order into something else.

    These people are military age men, mostly, and they are being funded by enemies of the republic, for that purpose.

    You could end every single handout at every single level of government, and they would still continue to invade us.

    Build the damn wall, recall the troops from around the world, put them on the border to protect our nation, not Ukraine or Iraq or South Korea, enlist the help of citizen militias and defend the nation from invasion like the constitution says the fedgov is supposed to do.
    Agree. While the majority of immigrants are economic migrants, there is something different going on right now. Multiple agendas are in play, and none are about helping or enriching the current occupants of this nation.

    And while cutting all of the welfare benefits that are promised and sought would be helpful and desirable, economic immigrants are just looking for a marginally better situation. Welfare is just icing on the cake, but what they really want is the cake, with or without frosting. They would still come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    How would you propose defending a Small Cell Community?

    We are watching, in real time, an invasion of a Small Cell Community on the island of Lampedusa in Italy.

    In three days 10,000 African invaders have stormed the island with a population of 6000.

    What should those people do?
    They only land in Lampedusa, Sicily as a temporary spot before being distributed across the EU zone. They have been coming there for years,
    but Lampedusa still only has 6k pop because they don't stay there.

    Meloni is doing as much as possible within the EU laws. The EU is getting tougher, but more needs to be done.
    Holding them for up to 18 months in locked down camps, and processing each and every individual case
    in regards to its validity with the strictest possible application of the law + trying to stiffen the law more, and put up a full naval blockade.


    today
    Italy PM Meloni's push for EU naval blockade to stop migrants is 'incompatible' with international law

    https://inews.co.uk/news/world/italy...623632?ITO=msn

    yesterday
    Lampedusa: Ursula von der Leyen and Giorgia Meloni visit island after migrant boat fears

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66836614

    today
    Italy’s Meloni gets tough on migrants

    https://www.politico.eu/article/ital...ion-crackdown/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    They only land in Lampedusa, Sicily as a temporary spot before being distributed across the EU zone. They have been coming there for years,
    but Lampedusa still only has 6k pop because they don't stay there.

    Meloni is doing as much as possible within the EU laws. The EU is getting tougher, but more needs to be done.
    Holding them for up to 18 months in locked down camps, and processing each and every individual case
    in regards to its validity with the strictest possible application of the law + trying to stiffen the law more, and put up a full naval blockade.


    today
    Italy PM Meloni's push for EU naval blockade to stop migrants is 'incompatible' with international law

    https://inews.co.uk/news/world/italy...623632?ITO=msn

    yesterday
    Lampedusa: Ursula von der Leyen and Giorgia Meloni visit island after migrant boat fears

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66836614

    today
    Italy’s Meloni gets tough on migrants

    https://www.politico.eu/article/ital...ion-crackdown/
    I realize that, but 10k in three days seems over the top even for their situation as a stop off point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The tiktok vid also demonstrates the end-stage looting going on at all levels of government, Chicago in this example, via crony contracts that are not being accounted or disclosed. It's truly lawlessness underway. Just plain theft, perhaps not in a material sense like taking your neighbor's lawnmower but in a philosophical sense of taking your neighbor's energy. Nurses in migrant shelters pulling $20k per week? $60m disappearing into accounting blackholes?

    Since Covid started (and I posted this thought when it did) it was the start of the "steal everything not nailed down" phase of empire dissolution, not unlike the last days of Rome. It's a shame that humanity has fallen for such greed as to throw each under the bus for imaginary accounting book entries that are erased as easily as they were created...smh. At least the Romans stole real hard money and treasures, not imaginary Matrix bull$#@!.
    Exactly. Looting via government on an epic scale. And no accounting or accountability, just like money to the Pentagon or Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I realize that, but 10k in three days seems over the top even for their situation as a stop off point.
    Another 1,500 this morning alone at Eagle Pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post

    Meloni is doing as much as possible within the EU laws. The EU is getting tougher, but more needs to be done.

    Holding them for up to 18 months in locked down camps, and processing each and every individual case
    in regards to its validity with the strictest possible application of the law + trying to stiffen the law more, and put up a full naval blockade.

    And when economic calamity happens here in Amerika, one will not have a place left on earth where one can escape to.

    I'll just put this here for now... until somebody else posts the more draconian-desired measure:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I realize that, but 10k in three days seems over the top even for their situation as a stop off point.
    Before literally begging for ways to further reduce our own wealth and completely forfeiting our liberty, the smart thing to do would be to address the root problem. One does not donate millions to the mafia in hopes that it will just vanish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Before literally begging for ways to further reduce our own wealth and completely forfeiting our liberty, the smart thing to do would be to address the root problem. One does not donate millions to the mafia in hopes that it will just vanish.
    What is the root problem?

    I thought we had already established that if you were to cut all government handouts at every level, the invaders would still invade.

    You haven't seen loss of wealth and liberty yet.

    Wait until the invaders, working hand in hand with the various traitors and enemies of the republic in and out of the US government, turn this place into Haiti Nord or Venezuela Norte'.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-18-2023 at 12:54 PM.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    How would you propose defending a Small Cell Community?
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    A Small-Cell-Community of privately-owned-property-owners can do whatever is absolutely necessary, without affecting my right to travel through public land. The small-cell-community would "just say no" to free schooling, free housing, etc.
    ...
    Probably best to exclude Texas as a possible location. The track record there is not very good...

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  33. #29
    They We hate us for our freedoms.

    I thought we had already established that if you were to cut all government handouts at every level, the invaders would still invade.
    With all due respect, we haven't establish anything. What I am saying, is that if incentives were cut, and there is nothing to be had, they would either have to find work, or move on to elsewhere. If they attempt to rob you in your home, you have every right to do what is necessary. If the community cuts incentives, I doubt very much community would side with whomever attempts to rob you.

    You haven't seen loss of wealth and liberty yet.
    I most certainly have. By way of the state/fed taxing me, and also to restrict my freedom to travel, among other things. Of course, some folks would consider 10%, 30%, 65% acceptable, and claim that I have not seen a loss of wealth and liberty yet. And my question becomes, at what % would you consider it my loss? 90%? Complete Eminent Domain? Biometric Implant to track who I am and everywhere I go? Would it be considered a loss then?

    Wait until the invaders, working hand in hand with the various traitors and enemies of the republic in and out of the US government, turn this place into Haiti Nord or Venezuela Norte'.
    Wait until? I consider politicians/government directly responsible and doing one helluva job, more-so than some human beings who are trying to better themselves and their families.

    We can go round and round discussing this. But I will reiterate where I stand. I will defend and protect my rights outlined in the BoR, and if any government attempts to take my private property for your "security"... my home and my community is not a gun-free zone.

    Maybe re-read Post #19. If everybody complaining about the problem actually worried about their own community, those communities would be a lot better off. What happens in a blue state, or another country, is none of my concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Wait until? I consider politicians/government directly responsible and doing one helluva job, more-so than some human beings who are trying to better themselves and their families.
    That's the disconnect.

    These are not people coming to "make a better life".

    They are weaponized invaders coming to destroy the nation, take all your $#@! and kill you.

    I doubt very much community would side with whomever attempts to rob you.
    Tell that to Dan Penny.

    I most certainly have. By way of the state/fed taxing me, and also to restrict my freedom to travel, among other things. Of course, some folks would consider 10%, 30%, 65% acceptable, and claim that I have not seen a loss of wealth and liberty yet. And my question becomes, at what % would you consider it my loss? 90%? Complete Eminent Domain? Biometric Implant to track who I am and everywhere I go? Would it be considered a loss then?
    Getting groped by TSA and taxed 50 percent of your income would be a welcome return to a status quo, when the alternative is a bullet to the brain pan and a mass grave.

    Of course, that's assuming history is allowed to play out and the psychotics running this $#@! show don't release the death plague.

    We can go round and round discussing this. But I will reiterate where I stand. I will defend and protect my rights outlined in the BoR, and if any government attempts to take my private property for your "security"... my home and my community is not a gun-free zone.
    I fully agree and would join you.

    That's what a citizen militia is supposed to do.

    Maybe re-read Post #19. If everybody complaining about the problem actually worried about their own community, those communities would be a lot better off. What happens in a blue state, or another country, is none of my concern.
    I have been.

    I started a "Committee of Safety" a few years ago. We do what we can to practice and train to provide common defense.

    Just rattled this cage the other day: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...woodstoves-etc
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