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    Pirates Plunder Oakland

    Thieves on Oakland Estuary Steal Boats With Impunity, Face Few Consequences
    By Tim Henry | August 23, 2023 | Alameda, CA
    Over the past few weeks, several boats have been stolen from Alameda marinas on almost a daily basis, often in broad daylight, and often with the perpetrators caught on camera while in stolen property. Liveaboards in Alameda are stunned by the audacity of the thieves, who can often be seen returning to flotillas of anchored-out boats, with their spoils visible, on the Oakland side of the Estuary.

    “It’s gotten kind of scary, the brazenness of it all,” said one resident. “It’s bad. It’s really bad. I mean, these guys come by nightly,” one liveaboard told us on Friday. “They’re coming in here, whereas they usually don’t,” said another liveaboard. “The theft is absolutely increasing at an increasing rate,” said a longtime sailor who works on the Estuary.

    The Oakland Estuary is a confluence of multiple city, state and federal jurisdictions, as well as a focal point of any number of entrenched issues facing all major cities. Jack London Square in Oakland actually has more public dock space than any other location on the Bay, but the Estuary also has swaths of marinas opposite of tucked-away no-man’s land, where people on both sides of the law fall through the cracks. Several cities’ police marine units appear underfunded and understaffed, and anecdotes suggest that some departments aren’t entirely sure how to deal with stolen boats.

    Residents of marinas (which, in Alameda, might eventually be considered housing units) have been told that they’re basically on their own, inspiring talk of a marina neighborhood watch. We’ve left out the names of residents we interviewed due to fear of harassment and retaliation.
    ...
    This weekend, a coach boat was reportedly stolen from the same Alameda club. “I’ll be damned if I didn’t go past where the thieves live and see one of these coach boats tied up,” a longtime Alameda liveaboard told us. “We know exactly where they go: two sailboats and a powerboat moored off Union Point Marina.”
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    Who Has Jurisdiction Over the Estuary? It’s Not Clear

    If someone steals something in Alameda, then crosses the Estuary to Oakland, who’s responsible for enforcing the law, or for taking a report? It’s kind of a moot point, anyway — there is no such thing as a full-time marine patrol on the Estuary. The Alameda Police Department’s boat is not in the water, though it may be soon, according to what residents say APD has told them. After reportedly being on the hard for several months, the Oakland Police Department’s marine patrol unit might be back in the water, though we can’t confirm that.
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    “What about the Coast Guard?” is a common refrain when people hear about piracy on the Estuary. The anchored-out flotilla — and alleged home base for rampant theft — is immediately off one end of Coast Guard Island. The Coast Guard has told Latitude that they don’t have “the authority or the jurisdiction” to remove anchor-outs.
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    When another boat was stolen recently in the Estuary, a captain, acting with power of attorney from his client, called the OPD marine patrol officer, who apologized profusely but said he couldn’t do anything, “because I can’t get dispatch; there is no crime in progress, it’s not in the system because the owner hasn’t reported it stolen.” The officer advised the captain to go to the police station to file a report. There, the clerk could not enter the boat’s CF numbers because it wasn’t a VIN (Vehicle Identification Number), and they were thus unable to enter the boat into the system.
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    More: https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic...repercussions/
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    Boats docked at Oakland marina being targeted by pirates

    OAKLAND — As Oakland deals with an epidemic of robberies, home break-ins and carjackings, those who live aboard boats along the waterfront said they are facing a threat of their own: an increase in attacks from pirates.

    While some may have a romantic notion about pirates, when it comes to theft in Oakland, it's not really that unusual. The same things that are happening on the land are also happening on the water.

    UPDATE: Oakland pirates becoming more brazen as several ships stolen in span of a week

    "It's every week. Every week somebody's missing something," said marina resident Emmanuel Ievolella. "From their boats or either their dinghies or their outboard motors or from their cars."

    The twist is that the thieves are coming by way of the water, operating small boats, usually at night, to steal from the large vessels tied up at the docks.
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    More: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco...ed-by-pirates/
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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    Danke must be in retirement at Oakland now. What are they doing with the piracy sailboats selling them on facenook marketplace ?
    Do something Danke

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    Import Allow the Turd World to invade you, you get Turd World living.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-11-2023 at 11:32 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Danke must be in retirement at Oakland now. What are they doing with the piracy sailboats selling them on facenook marketplace ?
    In Florida those were called "Bum Boats" and the "Bum Fleet".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Always a silver lining.

    @3:15

    "So we don't even bother to call the police anymore. We'll handle it ourselves."
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-11-2023 at 12:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Always a silver lining.

    "So we don't even bother to call the police anymore. We'll handle it ourselves."
    This is the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    This is the way.
    Just like dealing with landlubbing pests: Shoot - Shovel - Shut Up.

    Shoot them in the face and then kick 'em overboard.

    "What? Not me...I never heard or saw a thing, officer. But I'll be sure to keep a weather eye out for bad guys. See Something Say Something, that's my motto."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Just like dealing with landlubbing pests: Shoot - Shovel - Shut Up.

    Shoot them in the face and then kick 'em overboard.

    "What? Not me...I never heard or saw a thing, officer. But I'll be sure to keep a weather eye out for bad guys. See Something Say Something, that's my motto."


    Ain't it funny how there's never a cop around when you "need" one (such as when pirates are being pirates), but then they'll suddenly show up when you don't (such as when pirates are being "unalived")?

    #AnarchoTyranny
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-11-2023 at 12:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Always a silver lining.

    @3:15

    "So we don't even bother to call the police anymore. We'll handle it ourselves."
    Unfortunate irony on that story. The guy sees the thieves have taken his boat and he knows where they are. Can he go after them himself? Problem being that his weapons are on the boat with the pirates...

    True story: I know someone who recovered their own stolen car from the worst part of Oakland when the Police would do nothing. He had a tracker in it. No confrontation, just waded through the bodies on the ground, got in his car and drove away. People with experience say do your business in Oakland before 11am. The zombies generally don't come out before then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post


    Ain't it funny how there's never a cop around when you "need" one (such as when pirates are being pirates), but then they suddenly show up when you don't (such as when pirates are being "unalived")?

    #AnarchoTyranny
    And you would be charged to the full extent of the law, no doubt with some woke enhancement charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Always a silver lining.

    "So we don't even bother to call the police anymore. We'll handle it ourselves."
    This is the way.
    Also, it occurs to me that this sort of attitude is an echo - a dim one, perhaps, but an echo nevertheless - of what I was getting at in this post.

    The worse the anarcho-tyrannical lawlessness that creates these kinds of situations gets, the louder those echos are apt to become.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-11-2023 at 01:07 PM.

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    Guess this means we'll be seeing a revival of piracy spearheaded by people from third world nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Unfortunate irony on that story. The guy sees the thieves have taken his boat and he knows where they are. Can he go after them himself? Problem being that his weapons are on the boat with the pirates...

    True story: I know someone who recovered their own stolen car from the worst part of Oakland when the Police would do nothing. He had a tracker in it. No confrontation, just waded through the bodies on the ground, got in his car and drove away. People with experience say do your business in Oakland before 11am. The zombies generally don't come out before then.
    I heard from someone that had an item stolen that the fees to get it back from the government after they recover it are exorbitant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    I heard from someone that had an item stolen that the fees to get it back from the government after they recover it are exorbitant.
    Why do you think they're encouraging theft? They get a piece of the action.

    Organized crime. You will own nothing and you will be hapless.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-12-2023 at 05:17 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    I heard from someone that had an item stolen that the fees to get it back from the government after they recover it are exorbitant.
    Robbed twice.
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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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