I think most of us on this site wouldn't even want the BLM, Antifa, CHAZ/CHOP, etc., protesters to be subjected to sedition charges, above and beyond any legitimate crimes that may have been commited.Originally Posted by 69360
"I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
-Stannis Baratheon
The fact that half of the country doesn't trust elections is a huge problem in a sane world.
I should add that it isn't our burden to prove that there was fraud, but the government's burden to prove that a fair election occurred. The 2020 fraud is right on the nose, but even if there wasn't, nothing the government has done has made me second guess my belief that the election was stolen. FFS, even the appearance of impropriety (such as with mail-in voting without a secure chain-of-custody) should be avoided.
"I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
-Stannis Baratheon
My prediction is that 2024 is going to be insane. Whether they succeed in removing Trump from the ballot (or arresting him, etc.) or are forced to steal the election again (probably more grotesquely than before) it's going to tear this country apart. This is a slow motion $#@!show.
"I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
-Stannis Baratheon
Not only has the government failed to meet its burden in this regard, it has acted in such a way as to exacerbate skepticism of elections.
They could hardly have done a better job of maximizing the number of skeptics if they had tried.
A few people seemed to actually understand this, and wanted to do something to address it, but to no avail. For example:
I myself, am freaking amazed that nobody has taken a shot at Trump yet.
NSA ALERT - THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AM IN FAVOR OF SUCH VIOLENCE. I ABHOR VIOLENCE AND ONLY LIVE TO SNUGGLE PUPPIES AND CHASE BUTTERFLIES.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Well they'll probably let out a few murderers and career criminals to make room for these guys. So it would never grind to a halt. Revolving door gonna revolve.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
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Or they just don't bother doing much (if anything) about those murderers and career criminals in the first place.
#AnarchoTyranny
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
1,000 people have been charged for the Capitol riot. Here's where their cases stand
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A selection of the 1000 people who have been charged for the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol in 2021.
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More than two years after rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol, prosecutors have now charged more than 1,000 people in relation to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack.
These hundreds of people encompass "the most wide-ranging investigation" in the history of the Justice Department. NPR has been tracking every case related to the attack as they move through the court system, from the initial arrest to sentencing.
How much work has this been for the federal government?
The investigation has been a massive undertaking, both in its scope and cost. Every U.S. Attorney's office has been involved, as well as every FBI field office. As part of the $1.7 trillion government spending package passed in December, $2.6 billion was allocated to the U.S. Attorneys, in part to support the Jan. 6 prosecutions.
In order to bring charges, the Justice Department is sifting through mountains of evidence and chasing down tips. The FBI says it has been reviewing almost four million files, including 30,000 video files. Those include police body-worn camera footage from five different law enforcement agencies, surveillance footage from the building, as well as the many videos on seized cell phones and posted online.
"For context, these files amount to over nine terabytes of information and would take at least 361 days to view continuously," the FBI reported when it marked the attack's second anniversary.
The sprawling investigation has already doubled the FBI's domestic terrorism caseload, yet the Justice Department has indicated that it believes around 2,000 people were involved in the attack. In other words, the department may not even be halfway through its investigation.
Who are the 1,000 alleged rioters?
The defendants – who came from nearly all 50 states – are a tough group to generalize. Most of them appear to be white men, though not entirely.
About 15% of the defendants have a background in the military or law enforcement. For context, about 7% of the U.S. population are military veterans. Police and sheriff patrol officers make up less than 1% of the population.
The difficulty in categorizing this group has caused some experts concern. One in four defendants are facing assault or some other violent charge, yet the vast majority of people facing charges – nearly 85% – do not have any known connection to extremist groups.
"It's not like they all had previous convictions for violence or this kind of long running history of violent assault against political individuals or law enforcement. They were just willing to commit violence on that day," says Jon Lewis, a research fellow at George Washington University's Program on Extremism. "They truly thought the election was stolen. They truly thought that was their day in the sun, that they were the patriots. They were the heroes of that story."
"It's not just the scary Oath Keepers and Proud Boys. Communities are learning that one does not have to be so far gone, and such a follower of extremist movements, to still be animated to some pretty dangerous efforts to undermine our democracy," adds Oren Segal, vice president of the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism. "Does that mean extremism is becoming mainstream, which sounds a little bit like an oxymoron? Does it mean that the in-roads, the agendas, of those who are the farthest, most extreme, are now becoming normalized? I think the answer is yes."
An overview of the cases so far
Number of people charged, federal: 994
Number of people charged, D.C.: 24
Number of people who have pleaded guilty: 541
Number of individuals who have had jury or bench trials: 67
The number convicted on all charges: 42
The number acquitted on all charges: 1
The number with mixed verdicts: 24
Number of people sentenced: 445
The percentage of people sentenced who have received prison time: 58
The median sentence for those who received prison time, in days: 60
The prison sentence range: 7 days to 10 years
The number of cases dismissed: 5 federal; 8 D.C. Superior Court
What are the judges saying to the defendants at sentencing?
Nearly all of these cases are being heard by 21 judges in the federal district court in Washington, D.C. They were appointed by presidents from both parties from President Reagan to President Biden.
It's difficult to compare the rulings of judges because every case is different, but there are common themes in what the judges have been saying to the defendants before them. For one, the judges aren't looking at these crimes in isolation. The significance of Jan. 6, as an attempt to undermine democracy, is playing a part.
"The defendant was an active participant in a mob assault on our core democratic values and our cherished institution," Judge John Bates, appointed by President George W. Bush, told Thomas Fee. "I cannot ignore that, cannot pull this misdemeanor out of that context."
"What happened that day was, in some ways, as serious... an offense as there can be, given that it threatened the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another. The damage that was done on that day was both tangible and intangible," Judge Timothy Kelly, appointed by President Trump, said while sentencing Tam Dinh Pham. "Without people like you, the collective force of the mob that day would not have been the same."
The judges have also emphasized that being "sucked into a vortex of misinformation" does not absolve someone of their actions.
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"No one was swept away to the Capitol. No one was carried. The rioters were adults," Judge Amy Berman Jackson, appointed by President Obama, told Russell James Peterson. "This defendant, like hundreds of others, walked there on his own two feet and he bears responsibility for his own actions. There may be others who bear greater responsibility and who also must be held accountable, but this is not their day in court, it is yours."
Judges are also interested in accountability — and whether or not a defendant has made an authentic expression of remorse. That seems to be in part because some of the judges do worry this could happen again.
"Every day we're hearing about reports of anti-democratic factions of people plotting violence, the potential threat of violence, in 2024," Judge Tanya Chutkan, appointed by Obama, said while sentencing Robert Palmer. "It has to be made clear that trying to violently overthrow the government, trying to stop the peaceful transition of power and assaulting law enforcement officers in that effort is going to be met with absolutely certain punishment. Not staying at home. Not watching Netflix. Not doing what you were doing before you got arrested."
"If people start to get the impression that you can do what happened on Jan. 6, you can associate yourself with that behavior and that there's no real consequence, then people will say why not do it again," Judge Reggie Walton, appointed by President George W. Bush, told Mariposa Castro.
Despite the harsh words delivered at sentencing, the judges collectively have actually given less prison time than what prosecutors have sought in around two thirds of the cases. For sentences through February of this year, there have only been six cases in which judges sentenced defendants to prison time even if prosecutors had not sought it. Chutkan, who has given time behind bars in every Jan. 6 case she's heard, was the judge in four of those cases.
More than half of the people sentenced to longer prison terms, such as two or more years, have been convicted of assault or injuring others.
The defendants who haven't received any prison time are often fined, and sentenced to a combination of probation, community service and home confinement, depending on the nature of the case. The vast majority of these defendants are charged only with "parading or demonstrating in a Capitol building," which is a misdemeanor.
Could another incident like the Capitol riot happen again?
There are still major efforts to rewrite history, including from members of Congress who have repeatedly claimed Jan. 6 was not as violent as it clearly was. Just this month, House Republicans announced plans to "reinvestigate" Jan. 6.
Mary McCord, executive director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law, says she doesn't worry about another attack on the Capitol itself, but says we're perhaps in a worse position now than we were before the insurrection.
"That's because it didn't end after Jan. 6," she says. "Those people are still out there eating this up and consuming this. And not all of them saw Jan. 6 as, 'Oh my gosh. Wow. Okay, boy, now I realize democracy is at stake here. I'm going to shake this off and I'm going to quit ingesting this kind of disinformation.' That's not what we saw at all. We saw a doubling down. And it's made worse because elected officials, elected officials at high levels in Congress and in the states, have doubled down."
There have been federal efforts to combat anti-democratic sentiment. Late last year, the bipartisan House Select Committee issued its final report on Jan. 6, ultimately concluding that Trump was at least in part responsible for the riot and recommending him and others for prosecution. That report is now in the hands of U.S. special counsel Jack Smith at the Justice Department, who is tasked with investigating the former president.
Lewis, of George Washington University, says holding the rioters on Jan. 6 accountable for their actions that day is necessary, but he says we also need to hold responsible the leaders who got all those people to the Capitol that day in the first place.
"A lot of it now does come down to the special counsel and to the DOJ more broadly to recognize that if you're just going to keep arresting, you know, the 925th guy who just walked into the Capitol, took some photos and walked out, it risks missing the forest for the trees," he says. "It's just becoming whack a mole at a certain point."
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Agree.
I would have to take a wild guess based on the objectives of the WEF left, and say that anything and everything that results in FUD, chaos, and division in the US is intentional, and part of their plan.
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J6 Pinned on Proud Boy Who Was Not in DC, After FBI Asset Ray Epps Admitted He “Orchestrated it,” And Antifa John Sullivan Bragged “We Did This Sh*t”
J6 Pinned on Proud Boy Who Was Not in DC, After FBI Asset Ray Epps Admitted He “Orchestrated it,” And Antifa John Sullivan Bragged “We Did This Sh*t”
Above image: Ray Epps exhorting crowd on night of Jan. 5, 2021 “Tomorrow we need to go INTO the Capitol” Keeping faithful to the gruesome, Kafkaesque black comedy that America has becom…
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Ray Epps exhorting crowd on night of Jan. 5, 2021 “Tomorrow we need to go INTO the Capitol”
Keeping faithful to the gruesome, Kafkaesque black comedy that America has become under the Biden administration, a Proud Boy who were never in the Capitol, nor even in DC, has been sentenced to 22 years in prison for “seditious conspiracy,” while two men who admitted they led the charge, and can be seen doing so, walk free.
Enrique Tarrio was this month sentenced to 22 years, largely on the basis of a text in which he said “Make no mistake, we did this” in a group chat, while he was in Baltimore. Tarrio denies any planning or coordination in the events of the day.
But much more active protesters, one being the coordinator of the first breach of a police barrier who later said in a text to his nephew “I also orchestrated it,” and the other who on video said he broke through a window and bragged “We accomplished this sh*t” as he watched protesters wander the Capitol Rotunda, have not been touched by prosecutors.
Ray Epps, the famous instigator who on the night before J6 can be heard exhorting the crowd that “tomorrow we need to go INTO the Capitol,” has never been prosecuted, and is strongly suspected by many to be an FBI provocateur. Epps is suspected of encouraging and entrapping protesters in what started out as a largely peaceful protest.
In a synopsis of an intensive investigation by Revolver News, the Gateway Pundit wrote:
“During the initial breach on the west lawn at approximately 12:50 p.m., Epps was seen leading several of the initial agitators while managing key aspects of the initial breach of the Capitol grounds himself.
Here is a video compilation of Epps showing him in the leadup to the event, he can even be seen whispering in the ear of the first agitator to attack the barricade just seconds before the chaos begins:”
This has been referred to as the “Big Bang” moment that kicked off the riot. The initial breach has been largely blamed on the Proud Boys, who had arrived in the area two minutes before, but videos show that a small “breach team” led by Epps violently tore through the first barricade on the northwest corner of the grounds at about 12:50 – a full 20 minutes before Trump’s speech had finished.”
Although one of the ubiquitous “fact checkers” for tightly controlled media-government narratives, Politifact, which receives donations from Bill Gates, insists that Sullivan is not Antifa, Sullivan can be seen giving fiery speeches at Antifa and BLM rallies. (Politifact: “No proof man who filmed Capitol riot led it, or was antifa”) ........
Sullivan can be heard saying on the day before J6:
“”It’s all fake, my face is not on Instagram” he says. “I learned that sh*t already – I am going to wear a Trump hat. I am going to wear a Trump hat. I bought one today. I was wearing a Trump hat at the f*cking last Trump – at that Trump rally during the daytime…”
It was Sullivan who captured video of J6 protester Ashli Babbit being shot. In the below video Sullivan can be heard saying in the Capitol Rotunda:
“”Let’s go! This sh*t’s ours. F*ck yeah. I can’t believe this is reality. We accomplished this sh*t. We did this sh*t together.” ...
Controlled opposition. The "mainstream" patriot groups were co-opted long ago by fake leaders. Any movement tptb deem a threat is co-opted asap.
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