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    Staten Island officials demand secession from NYC

    Staten Island borough president and local officials trying to secede from New York City
    as NYC dumps over 100,000 migrants onto tiny island, an increase of 25% in population.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...isis-escalates



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    At least 400 enraged protesters rallied Monday outside a shuttered Catholic school-turned-migrant shelter on Staten Island — where they unveiled an enormous blue tarp with white paint that said “NO F%*KIN WAY!”

    Neighbors of the 300-bed makeshift shelter at the former St. John Villa Academy in the borough’s Arrochar section seethed over what they described as the unceremonious dumping of unvetted migrants in their midst.

    “It’s a clusterf–k,” a resident who lives a block from the school told The Post. “The city really screwed it up. Before we even talk about whether I want migrants here or not, the way it was handled was terrible.

    “It was done in a cloud of secrecy.”

    Local GOP state Assemblyman Michael Tannousis told The Post the area was “blindsided” by the new shelter, leading to stronger opposition.

    “I found out about this location when it was already out in the newspaper,” he said, adding the city previously denied to him they were going to house migrants there.
    Former GOP mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa speaking at the rally.

    Monday’s demonstration grew so fiery at one point that a Post reporter was harassed to leave.

    More than 1,000 demonstrators had protested outside the makeshift Staten Island shelter last week, with cops saying they anticipated twice as many to converge on the former school Monday evening. Police beefed up their presence Sunday after erecting barricades at the scene.

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/28/angry-...tholic-school/

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    Because that is no much easier than stopping the incentives, $12M+ additional for school funding and millions more to house them.

    Well, we got a wall in Texas,,, may as well build one around the entire country. Just make certain to keep those incentives.
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    100,000 invaders in Stagnant Island?

    Holy $#@!...that is a lot.

    Don't you even dare to tell me this is not an invasion.
    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    100,000 invaders in Stagnant Island?

    Holy $#@!...that is a lot.

    Don't you even dare to tell me this is not an invasion.
    A/F, I've been telling you all along. It's an open invitation, red carpet and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    A/F, I've been telling you all along. It's an open invitation, red carpet and all.
    Yes, of course, but it's two way street.

    Corrupt Quislings in government here continue the handouts and funding.

    Marxist NGOs facilitate the invaders around the globe.

    You don't show up at the border after traveling around the world, on airline tickets I could not afford, cross the Darien Gap on foot, with fresh clothes, well fed and $500 cel phones.

    This is co-ordinated demographic $#@!ing war and not only are we losing, we're too stupid to even realize it's being waged against us or lift a $#@!ing finger in our defense.

    Within ten years we'll be outcasts and "unclean" in our own nation.
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    michael jackson popcorn gif
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Maybe those officials should leave NYC instead.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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    Meanwhile in Chicago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Chicago RAGES Against Migrants
    https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewar...nst-migrants:7
    Actual Justice Warrior | 04 September 2023

    In this video I discuss how residents of the Hyde park area of Chicago are raging about migrants being housed in the Hyde park area of Chicago.

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    Meanwhile in Massachusetts

    Massachusetts calls up national guard to cope with migrants as protests rage

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/massac...protests-rage/

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    Staten Island RAGES Against Migrants
    https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewar...nst-migrants:6
    by Actual Justice Warrior | 07 September 2023

    In this video I discuss how residents of Staten Island New York have come out against migrants being housed on the Island.


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    Let Staten Island Secede!
    https://mises.org/wire/let-staten-island-secede
    by Ryan McMaken | 04 September 2023

    Homeless foreign nationals (i.e., "illegal aliens") began arriving last week at a makeshift shelter in a Staten Island neighborhood. The arrivals come after New York City Mayor Eric Adams decided that a shuttered Catholic school on Staten Island would be used to house some of the more than 100,000 migrants who have arrived in New York City since the spring of 2022.

    Staten Islanders, however, were given no veto and no role in determining the location of the shelter or what policies might be implemented there. As a result, hundreds of protestors this week assembled to express their opposition to the plan which was apparently hatched in secret and only revealed to Staten Island residents when the plan was already fait accompli. As the New York Post reported this week, "Local GOP state Assemblyman Michael Tannousis told The Post the area was 'blindsided' by the new shelter, leading to stronger opposition. 'I found out about this location when it was already out in the newspaper,' he said, adding the city previously denied to him they were going to house migrants there."

    It's easy to see why the policymakers who run New York City haven't bothered to ask neighborhood representatives if they want a migrant shelter in their neighborhood. The residents of Staten Island, who tend to lean more politically conservative than other in other regions of the city, are easily outnumbered by hardline social-democrat residents of Manhattan, Brooklyn, and other boroughs. When it comes to city-wide politics, in other words, Staten Islanders don't matter, so the city government in Manhattan does what it wants with Staten Island's resources, and to Staten Island's residents.

    How one feels about migrants, however, is irrelevant in answering the question of whether or not the half-million residents of Staten Island ought to be allowed self-determination in matters that clearly and deeply affect matters in their own neighborhoods and businesses. The New York Post reports:

    Staten Islanders are renewing calls for a breakaway from the Big Apple — with Mayor Eric Adams’ controversial call to bus migrants to a local shuttered Catholic school proving to be the latest breaking point.

    One local pol even has an idea for the independent borough’s new slogan: “Nonsicut tu quoque,” City Councilman Joe Borelli told The Post.

    It roughly translates to, “We don’t like you either.”

    Staten Island has always been an odd fit within the five boroughs, sitting on the outskirts of New York City with a predominantly conservative Republican population that butts heads with the rest of the city.

    Unfortunately, the borough faces many uphill challenges in seceding. Both the NYC City Council and the state legislature would need to approve the move.

    The Post continues:

    According to locals, now is the time.

    “Let’s do it!” said resident Joseph Milkie, 41. “We should get a bigger percentage of the Verrazano tolls to subsidize what it costs us to break away. What the city is doing to our neighborhood stinks.”

    Anthony Antico, a 56-year-old contractor and lifelong Staten Islander, said he’s behind secession “100%.”

    “Our values do not line up with the other boroughs,” Antico said Wednesday. “We do not believe in woke politics. Right is right, and wrong is wrong.”

    This isn't the first time Staten Islanders have seriously talked about secession. As (Queens resident) Gregory Bresiger reminded mises.org readers in 2021, Staten Islanders in 1993 voted to secede from the city:

    In 1993, they voted about two-to-one in a nonbinding referendum to secede and become the independent city of Staten Island. The measure was sent to the state legislature. But the referendum was later invalidated. Staten Island advocates hadn’t received “a home rule” approval message from the New York City Council.

    In other words, the democracy-loving overlords of New York City decided that the lopsided vote in favor of separation would not be honored because of a technicality. It turns out majority-rule, which we're so often told is the cornerstone of government legitimacy, doesn't matter at all when the majority doesn't agree with the elites.

    The outcome, of course, should surprise no one. As with so many cities, the more suburban, more crime-free parts of the city serve as low-maintenance areas of the city that also generate tax revenue that are useful to the ruling class in Manhattan. If we add to this the typical control-freakism harbored by most policymakers, it is easy to see why few in New York City's government have any intention of ever letting Staten Islanders rule themselves. There is also the contempt with which the urban elite generally regards their "constituents." Bresiger continues:

    Ultimately, Staten Island and some other overtaxed New Yorkers in this mismanaged sprawling city hate being governed by a Manhattan ruling class that often scorns and misunderstands “outer borough” residents. (i.e., those not living in Manhattan). This Manhattan ruling class quietly regards most of us as bunch of Guidos, Archie Bunkers, or local Babbitts. We are the New York City version of “deplorables.”

    For reasonable people not committed to exploiting the business owners and residents of Staten Island, the right to secession in this case should be abundantly clear. There is absolutely no respectable political "principle" which tells us that Staten Islanders must remain part of New York City, or even New York State. With nearly 500,000 residents, there is no reason why that's "too small." It's hard to imagine what criteria renders this population insufficiently large for statehood when numerous US states in the mid-twentieth century (i.e., Vermont, New Hampshire, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah Nevada) had populations below 500,000. We might also note that Staten Island has a relatively high median household income. Were Staten Island to become its own state, it would have a population about 100,000 people smaller than the next smallest state, Wyoming. Yet, Staten Island's median household income (about $80,000) is 30 percent higher than that of Wyoming—which is itself a middle-income US state. Nor would newly erected state borders mean much of anything to commuters. Hundreds of thousands of people currently commute into New York City across state lines every day.

    That Staten Island secession is even controversial at all should strike us as curious. Granting the people of Staten Island their own city or state presents no "problematic" issues related to human rights, international relations, or basic justice. Even if there were reason for "concern" in these areas, that still would not invalidate the right of self-determination long denied to Staten Islanders.

    [Read More: "The Right of Self-Determination" by Ludwig von Mises]

    Yet, we groan under the boot of an American ruling class that reflexively favors centralization and rule by a technocratic, national elite. If Staten Island is allowed secede, it is feared that might open up countless similar demands for self-determination across the nation. Clearly, that does not fit into the current regime's plan, and they aim to make sure the idea of secession doesn't go anywhere, ever. For the elites, the current status quo works quite well and they want to keep it that way.



    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Local Secession Movements: From Staten Island to the South
    https://odysee.com/@mises:1/local-se...-from-staten:d
    by Mises Media | 07 September 2023

    On this episode of Radio Rothbard, Ryan McMaken and Tho Bishop look at county and city-level secession movements and what it means for political self-determination. In a recent article, Ryan McMaken highlighted renewed calls for Staten Island to secede from New York City, but other recent examples include attempts by taxpayers in areas of Georgia and Alabama to break away from the control of mismanagement of local governments. Tho and Ryan look at the value these initiatives have, and the arguments used to try to stop them.

    Recommended Reading:

    "Let Staten Island Secede!" by Ryan McMaken: https://Mises.org/RR_150_A [see above - OB]


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    Hypocritical NIMBYs. Pretty standard leftist characteristic.
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    Is there a reason why these people cant be deported?
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    Anarcho Tyranny

    Don't let that "Blue Lives Matter" bull$#@! and Gadsen flag fool you.

    When the orders come down to round us up, cops will follow their orders.

    The only positive thing, is that less and less good men are signing up to be cops.

    But no worries, they will fill their ranks with freshly arrived invaders.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-20-2023 at 02:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Did they respond at that level when BLM Marxists blocked streets?

    Or Climate $#@!s?
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    But there is no such thing as two tiered "justice", according to this $#@!ing asshat:

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/stat...02945637605480

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hypocritical NIMBYs. Pretty standard leftist characteristic.
    At the highest levels and they don't care.

    How's that kav-kalash and cold rice with rat meat tasting now?

    https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/s...85186347868389

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