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    FL-Shooting Jax dollar store, 3 dead - Shooter hated black people, left manifesto

    A white man fatally shoots 3 Black people at a Florida store in a hate crime, then kills himself

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...ayor-102589687

    Jacksonville's sheriff says a white gunman who killed three people at a Dollar General store was racially motivated and hated Black people

    ByRUSS BYNUM, TERRY SPENCER and TRISHA AHMED Associated Press

    August 26, 2023, 3:56 PM

    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A masked white man fatally shot three Black people inside a Jacksonville, Florida, Dollar General store in a predominately African-American neighborhood on Saturday, in an attack where he used a gun painted with a swastika, officials said. The shooter, who had also posted racist writings, then killed himself.

    Jacksonville Sheriff T.K. Waters told a news conference that the attack that left two men and one woman dead was definitely “racially motivated."

    “He hated Black people,” Waters said after reviewing the man's writings, which were sent to federal law enforcement officials and at least one media outlet shortly before the attack. He added that the gunman acted alone and “there is absolutely no evidence the shooter is part of any larger group.”

    Waters said the shooter, who was in his 20s, used a Glock handgun and an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle with at least one of them painted with a swastika. He was wearing a bullet-resistant vest. He said the shooter had once been involved in a 2016 domestic violence incident and was once involuntarily committed to a mental hospital for examination. He did not provide further details on those incidents.

    Officials didn’t immediately release the names of the victims or the shooter.

    The sheriff said the gunman had left behind in his writings evidence that leads investigators to believe that he committed the shooting because it was the fifth anniversary of when another gunman opened fire during a video game tournament in Jacksonville, killing two people before fatally shooting himself.

    The shooting happened just before 2 p.m. at a Dollar General about three-quarters of a mile from Edward Waters University, a small historically Black university.

    In a statement, the university said that shortly before the shooting, one of its security officers saw the man near the school's library and asked him to identify himself. When he refused, he was asked to leave. The man returned to his car.

    Sheriff Waters said the man was spotting putting on his vest and mask before leaving. He said it is unknown if he had originally planned to attack the school.

    “I can't tell you what his mindset was while he was there, but he did go there," the sheriff said.

    Edward Waters students were locked down in their dorms for several hours after the shooting. No students or faculty are believed involved, the school said.

    The shooter had driven to Jacksonville from neighboring Clay County, where he lived with his parents, the sheriff said. That house was being searched late Saturday.

    Shortly before the attack, the shooter sent his father a text message telling him to check his computer. The father found the writings and the family notified 911, but the shooting had already begun, Sheriff Waters said.

    “This is a dark day in Jacksonville’s history. There is no place for hate in this community," the sheriff said. “I am sickened by this cowardly shooter's personal ideology.” He said the investigation will continue. The FBI was helping the sheriff's office and said it had opened a hate crime investigation.

    Mayor Donna Deegan said she is “heartbroken.”

    “This is a community that has suffered again and again. So many times this is where we end up,” Deegan said. “This is something that should not and must not continue to happen in our community.”

    Gov. Ron DeSantis, after speaking by phone with the sheriff, called the shooter a “scumbag" and denounced his racist motivation.

    “This guy killed himself rather than face the music and accept responsibility for his actions. He took the coward's way out,” said DeSantis, who was in Iowa campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination.

    Both President Joe Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland were briefed on the shooting, officials said.

    Dollar General's corporate office said in a statement, “We are heartbroken by the senseless act of violence that occurred at our Kings Road store in Jacksonville, Florida today. At this time, supporting our Jacksonville employees and the DG family impacted by this tragedy is a top priority as we work closely with law enforcement.”

    Virginia Bradford lives in the neighborhood of modest brick and cinder block houses near the store. She frequently shops at the Dollar General, and said she meant to go there Saturday for detergent and bleach, but got sidetracked by other plans.

    “That’s my store,” Bradford told reporters, looking past patrol cars with flashing lights blocking the street to the store a block away. “I know everyone in the store. It’s sad.”

    Unsettled by the racist killings, Bradford, who is Black, said she doubts she’ll ever go back.

    “I won’t even send my kids up there anymore,” she said. “My nerves are bad.”

    Penny Jones told The Associated Press in a phone interview that she worked at the store, located a few blocks away from her home, until a few months ago.

    “I’m just waiting to hear about my co-workers that I used to work with,” Jones said. “I don’t know if it’s safe to move about the neighborhood.”

    Jones added that she was “feeling awkward, scared.”

    "I don’t want to leave my house. I’m thinking, do I want to go back to the store? Is this going to start happening more frequently? I don’t know what the cause of it is. I’m confused. It’s a lot of different feelings going on right now,” she said.

    The deadly shooting took place within hours of the conclusion of a commemorative March on Washington in the nation’s capital, where organizers drew attention to the growing threat of hate-motivated violence against people of color.

    The attack on a shopping center in a predominately Black neighborhood will undoubtedly evoke fears of past shootings targeting Black Americans, like the one at a Buffalo, New York, supermarket in 2022, and one at a historic African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015.

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting, in particular, stands apart as one of the deadliest targeted attacks on Black people by a white lone gunman in U.S. history. Ten people were killed by the gunman, who has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

    The shooting happened one day before the 63rd anniversary of one of Jacksonville’s most notorious racist incidents, “Ax Handle Saturday.” A group of Black protesters were conducting a peaceful sit-in at a city park to protest the Jim Crow laws that kept them out of white-owned stores and restaurants. That's when they were attacked by 200 members of the Ku Klux Klan, who hit them with bats and ax handles as police stood by.

    Only when members of a Black street gang arrived to fight the Klansmen did the police intercede. Only Black people were arrested.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



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    Meanwhile we are still waiting for the manifesto of the Nashville trans shooter who shot up a school, killing 6 people, including 3 children.
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    “He hated Black people,” Waters said after reviewing the man's writings, which were sent to federal law enforcement officials and at least one media outlet shortly before the attack.
    The FBI seems to be doing a better job of advance homework. The manifesto department is actually getting their stuff posted slightly ahead of zero hour for a change.

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    Shooter was definitely a FBI stooge.
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    A masked white man fatally shot three Black people
    They wouldn’t want to make this about race would they? And such quick reporting on this story. All the racial details are out in hours...
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    Both President Joe Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland were briefed on the shooting, officials said.
    Because they are briefed every time there is a shooting in America. Or could it be that this tragedy is going to be used for political purposes? Too late, it already has...
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The FBI seems to be doing a better job of advance homework. The manifesto department is actually getting their stuff posted slightly ahead of zero hour for a change.
    Only a FBI stooge would do their mass shooting at a dollar store. It's like the perfect location for FBI stoogery. The casualties will be high enough to make the news but low enough to avert an actual investigation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Both President Joe Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland were briefed on the shooting, officials said.
    Because they are briefed every time there is a shooting in America. Or could it be that this tragedy is going to be used for political purposes? Too late, it already has...
    From the OP article, which is timestamped at "August 26, 2023, 3:56 PM" (bold emphasis added):
    The shooting happened just before 2 p.m. at a Dollar General about three-quarters of a mile from Edward Waters University, a small historically Black university.
    So - the shooting occurred, an investigation sufficient to establish at least some basic facts (prominently including a clear and definitive motive) was conducted, the President and Attorney General were briefed, the press was notified of all these things, and the OP article [1] was written and published - all within the span of a mere two [2] hours or so.



    [1] Which references another already-written AP article that includes an interview with a former employee of the venue at which the shooting occurred.

    [2] Three, if abcnews.go.com does something fancy like adjusting the timestamps on their articles for the readers' local timezones (mine is CDT) [3]. Maybe even five, if the timestamp is fixed, the article is hosted on a west-coast server set at PDT, and the time reported in the article is EDT.

    [3] To check this, could someone not in CDT report the timestamp they see on the OP article?
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-27-2023 at 12:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post

    [2] To check this, could someone not in CDT report the timestamp they see on the OP article?
    3:56 is what is showing to me.

    I am in EDT and of course Jax is in EDT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    From the OP article, which is timestamped at "August 26, 2023, 3:56 PM" (bold emphasis added):


    So - the shooting occurred, an investigation sufficient to establish at least some basic facts (prominently including a clear and definitive motive) was conducted, the President and Attorney General were briefed, the press was notified of all these things, and the OP article was written and published - all within the span of a mere two [1] hours or so.



    [1] Three, if abcnews.go.com does something fancy like adjusting the timestamps on their articles for the readers' local timezones (mine is CDT) [2]. Maybe even five, if the timestamp is fixed, the article is hosted on a west-coast server set at PDT, and the time reported in the article is EDT.

    [2] To check this, could someone not in CDT report the timestamp they see on the OP article?
    The current timestamp on the article for me is: August 26, 2023, 1:56 PM.

    That should be PDT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Because they are briefed every time there is a shooting in America. Or could it be that this tragedy is going to be used for political purposes? Too late, it already has...
    Remember how the White House was briefed on the situation?

    Remember how his manifesto was released?

    https://twitter.com/NatCon2022/statu...01661430645131

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    3:56 is what is showing to me.

    I am in EDT and of course Jax is in EDT.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The current timestamp on the article for me is: August 26, 2023, 1:56 PM.

    That should be PDT.
    Thanks!

    So for AF and me, we're getting the article from servers with EDT settings, while B4L's article is from a server with MDT settings.

    That makes sense, given our relative geographical locations.

    B4L's result indicates that the timestamps are not being customized, and given the high likelihood that AF's result was served by a computer set to EDT, we can reasonably conclude that a mere two hours elapsed from the event (at "just before 2 p.m. [EDT]") to the publication of the OP article (at 3:56 PM EDT), during which time almost all the events described or alluded to in the article occurred (and including the composition and publication of the article itself).

    That's some real crackerjack Johnny-on-the-spot reporting, there - not to mention an extraordinarily timely and efficient government response - complete with interviews of numerous people, Presidential briefings, and law-enforcement press conferences announcing preliminary but detailed and definitive investigatory results.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-27-2023 at 03:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Thanks!

    So for AF and me, we're getting the article from servers with EDT settings, while B4L's article is from a server with MDT settings.

    That makes sense, given our relative geographical locations.

    Given the high likelihood that AF is being served by a computer set to EDT, a mere two hours elapsed from the event (at "just before 2 p.m. [EDT]") to the publication of the OP article (at 3:56 PM EDT), during which time almost all the events described or alluded to in the article occurred.

    That's some real crackerjack Johnny-on-the-spot reporting, there - not to mention an extraordinarily timely and efficient government response - complete with interviews of numerous people, Presidential briefings, and law-enforcement press conferences announcing preliminary but detailed and definitive results.

    Must be all that socialism.

    I hear it makes the trains run on time as well.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Must be all that socialism.

    I hear it makes the trains run on time as well.
    Only if they're "murderous white supremacy" trains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Thanks!

    So for AF and me, we're getting the article from servers with EDT settings, while B4L's article is from a server with MDT settings.

    That makes sense, given our relative geographical locations.

    B4L's result indicates that the timestamps are not being customized, and given the high likelihood that AF's result was served by a computer set to EDT, we can reasonably conclude that a mere two hours elapsed from the event (at "just before 2 p.m. [EDT]") to the publication of the OP article (at 3:56 PM EDT), during which time almost all the events described or alluded to in the article occurred (and including the composition and publication of the article itself).

    That's some real crackerjack Johnny-on-the-spot reporting, there - not to mention an extraordinarily timely and efficient government response - complete with interviews of numerous people, Presidential briefings, and law-enforcement press conferences announcing preliminary but detailed and definitive results.
    I just tried again, and the timestamp actually changes for me after the page loads. It gets set back 3 hours, which would be consistent with a default of EDT, and a dynamic timestamp changing to PDT for me.

    Needless to say, the timeline was incredible. Or incredulous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    But apparently, only if they're "murderous white supremacy" trains.

    Aren’t they all? Just like everything else.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Only if they're "murderous white supremacy" trains.
    "Biggest presidential corruption scandal in US history" trains, on the other hand, are unlikely even to leave the station.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-27-2023 at 02:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I just tried again, and the timestamp actually changes for me after the page loads. It gets set back 3 hours, which would be consistent with a default of EDT, and a dynamic timestamp changing to PDT for me.
    You probably got routed to a different server - one set to PDT (this time) instead of MDT (last time).

    If they're timestamped at all, articles disseminated on the Internet (and all references to times included in such articles) ought to explicitly indicate some kind of fixed UTC offset - such as a "hard-coded" (non-dynamic) timezone - just as a "best practice". (But that would involve actually doing competent journalism with an editorial concern for clarity and precision, so ... *shrug*)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Needless to say, the timeline was incredible. Or incredulous?
    If you or I presented such a thing, it would be mocked and dismissed as a "conspiracy theory" for that reason (among others).

    But when the government and corporate media do it, it's "respectable news" and "good journalism".
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-27-2023 at 03:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    From the OP article, which is timestamped at "August 26, 2023, 3:56 PM" (bold emphasis added):


    So - the shooting occurred, an investigation sufficient to establish at least some basic facts (prominently including a clear and definitive motive) was conducted, the President and Attorney General were briefed, the press was notified of all these things, and the OP article [1] was written and published - all within the span of a mere two [2] hours or so.



    [1] Which references another already-written AP article that includes an interview with a former employee of the venue at which the shooting occurred.

    [2] Three, if abcnews.go.com does something fancy like adjusting the timestamps on their articles for the readers' local timezones (mine is CDT) [3]. Maybe even five, if the timestamp is fixed, the article is hosted on a west-coast server set at PDT, and the time reported in the article is EDT.

    [3] To check this, could someone not in CDT report the timestamp they see on the OP article?
    Posted it on X (paraphrased):


    https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/1695965033086460125
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 08-28-2023 at 11:22 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post

    Let’s really save some lives and prevent some monumental tragedies and ban politicians.
    Chris

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  27. #24
    Who remembers the shooter that went to a bank where he worked and shot people? Seemed like he had told his mother or parents too, and they tried to warn someone. Didn't he do that because he was pro-gun control?

    This case has some similarities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Let’s really save some lives and prevent some monumental tragedies and ban politicians.
    At the very least, ban governments.
    They are the cause of every war on the planet.

    I've never known a soldier who knew why he was in the combat zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    $#@! you, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    A thought experiment: how far would someone go to stage a fake hate crime?

    Assume a mentally ill person. Would they go this far?:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...left-manifesto
    "Mentally ill"?

    Now, why would you make an assumption like that, comrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Waters said the shooter [...] was once involuntarily committed to a mental hospital for examination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "Mentally ill"?

    Now, why would you make an assumption like that, comrade?
    My bad, of course he wasn't mentally ill. And he most definitely wasn't taking SSRIs. A clear cut case of a white supremacist NAZI murderer committing a hate crime against Black people. Why he even left a written confession! Confessions are definitive proof, comrade. BTW, what's in Room 101?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    BTW, what's in Room 101?
    I'm glad you asked, comrade! You see, everyone who's stupid enough to ask gets to find out for himself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I'm glad you asked, comrade! You see, everyone who's stupid enough to ask gets to find out for himself!
    Well, there's my chance to meet the ladies of The View...
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