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    Using the 14th Amendment to keep Trump off the ballot

    [RELATED: Adventures in "democracy": an index of threads]

    Illegalizing Trump

    https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2023...alizing-trump/

    By eric - August 21, 2023

    Whether you like Trump or don’t, is it right – is it not dangerous – to say that those who do like him may not vote for him?

    That is what’s percolating upward, bobbing to the surface of the sewage dump this country’s corrupted, co-opted political system has become. It is not merely that Trump must not be re-elected; it is that he must not be allowed to run for election. And it is even more than just that. People who want to vote for someone like Trump must not be allowed the chance to vote for anyone like Trump.

    That is the Sicilian Message broadcast by the serial indictment of Trump. And by Leftist lawyers such as Laurence Tribe, who says the very Bad Orange Man is “disqualified” from running for office under the rubric of a “violation” of the 14th Amendment, enacted just after the federal government crushed the attempt by the Southern states to secede from a “union” they longer wished to be part of, for his “role” in the protests the Left has framed as an “insurrection” that took place in January of 2021.

    It is an interesting term to use – in both cases.

    Tribe cites a clause in the 14th Amendment that was written to “disqualify” former Confederates who simply wished to depart from the union from being eligible to seek office under the regime that made a mockery of the concept of self-government, by refusing to respect the right of the people of the Southern states to govern themselves, having decided they could no longer consent to being governed by what they, with cause, regarded as a government dominated by Northern money interests they believed could not be parried via the ballot box due to there being more Northerners than Southerners. And so the Southerners sought to depart, in peace.

    And were brought to heel, by force.

    If wanting to end a bad marriage is an “insurrection,” then so is every divorce.

    At any rate, having settled the matter of consent – which no one in the South or the North enjoys – the newly omnipotent federal government said that:

    “No person shall . . hold any office, civil or military, under the United States or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid and comfort to the enemies thereof.”

    But Trump has done none of these things.

    Tribe, et al, insinuate he did them.

    They presume to know his state of mind. That what he said – e.g., to be peaceful – was not what he meant. What he really meant when he urged his supporters to peacefully express their entirely legitimate concerns about the most unusual presidential election process in the history of the country – one in which Election Day was actually Election Months; one in which the counting was stopped – and then resumed; one in which an unappealing geriatric who could never draw a crowd to hear him speak somehow got more votes than a man who filled stadiums to capacity – was for them to storm the capitol by force and prevent the geriatric from being sworn in.

    The facts bear none of that out.

    But it is not facts that matter to Leftists such as Tribe. What matters to such Leftists is power, acquired and held through use of force, if need be – the very thing they impute to the Orange Man, who is very bad – for upsetting Leftists. For whom the idea of “democracy” is of a piece with their idea of “consent” in that both mean obey the Left.

    If you question this, then you are an “insurrectionist” and – oy vey! – a “threat to our democracy.”

    By which they mean their oligarchy. (The Left is no longer the party of the poor; it is the tool of the connected rich.)

    The CNN lugenpresse admits that Trump hasn’t even been charged with “insurrection” – or “rebellion” or “sedition.” His crime is a purely political one. He is a denier. That is – and his supporters – had the cheek to question what went on during the election. His subsequent claims about the results of the election being questionable are predicated on that. This question-raising rises to the level of an “insurrection,” “rebellion” and “sedition” in the mind of Leftists such as Tribe.

    And in a way, they are right.

    In their own minds, that is. That is the place where to question whatever a Leftist says about anything is “denial.” Which – to a Leftist – is “seditious” and tantamount to treason. Watch where this goes.

    In the old Soviet Union – where someone like Tribe would have been among his tribe – there were “crimes against the Soviet Union,” which meant anything that questioned Soviet Power. It went even further in the old Soviet Union. To raise question about Soviet Power – about communism – was an indicator of mental illness. Only crazy people questioned Communism.

    And now – per Tribe, et al – only dangerous people question . . . well, you know.

    And such dangerous people must be declared ineligible – by people such as Laurence Tribe and his tribe. Elections must be fixed before they are held. As they were in the old Soviet Union, where the voting mattered as far as the result almost as much as your not having consented to be “governed” prevents the government from governing you, good and hard.
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    New Hampshire Secretary of State Weighs Using 14th Amendment to Keep Trump Off Ballot

    https://www.breitbart.com/2024-elect...-trump-ballot/

    JORDAN DIXON-HAMILTON 25 Aug 2023

    New Hampshire Secretary of State David Scanlan (R) is consulting with the state attorney general to determine if the U.S. Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment empowers him to keep former President Donald Trump off the 2024 presidential ballot.

    As secretary of state, Scanlan oversees New Hampshire’s first-in-the-nation presidential primary that will take place at the beginning of 2024. However, Scanlan has caught wind of scholars’ recent arguments that the Fourteenth Amendment’s Disqualification Clause prohibits Trump from being on the presidential ballot.

    As ABC7 Chicago detailed:

    That disqualification argument boils down to Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment, which says that a public official is not eligible to assume public office if they “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the United States, or had “given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,” unless they are granted amnesty by a two-thirds vote of Congress.

    Trump holds a 20-point lead over his Republican challengers in New Hampshire, the latest Echelon Insights survey found.

    Still, a growing number of legal scholars on both the left and the right have proposed Trump be disqualified from the 2024 election based on the “insurrection” language cited in the Fourteenth Amendment.

    As Breitbart News reported:

    [Former Clinton administration labor secretary Robert] Reich was recently joined by legal scholars William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, both Never Trump members of the otherwise conservative Federalist Society, who wrote in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review that Section 3 “disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election.”



    This weekend, legal scholars J. Michael Luttig and Laurence H. Tribe joined the chorus, in The Atlantic. They cited the fact that Trump has been indicted at both the state and federal levels for various crimes, including a federal indictment in Washington, D.C., and a state indictment for Fulton County, Georgia, for his efforts to challenge the 2020 election results.

    (Notably, Tribe called for Trump to be impeached on the day he took office, and floated various other theories that would allow for Trump to be impeached. Tribe also advised Democrats to use the unusual tactic of withholding articles of impeachment from the Senate once they had been passed by the House, during the first failed impeachment of President Trump in 2019-2020.)

    “The disqualification clause operates independently of any such criminal proceedings and, indeed, also independently of impeachment proceedings and of congressional legislation,” Luttig and Tribe wrote. “The clause was designed to operate directly and immediately upon those who betray their oaths to the Constitution, whether by taking up arms to overturn our government or by waging war on our government by attempting to overturn a presidential election through a bloodless coup.”

    New Hampshire attorney Bryant “Corky” Messner, whom Trump previously endorsed in New Hampshire’s 2020 U.S. Senate race, is apparently responsible for getting the idea on Scanlan’s radar. Messner recently announced plans to sue to ensure Scanlan enforces the Fourteenth Amendment against Trump.

    “I really don’t view myself as turning on Trump, as odd as that sounds,” Messner told ABC News. “I love this country. I’ve served this country. I’ve taken an oath to this country. My sons are serving right now and I believe someone’s got to step up to defend the Constitution.”

    “Someone needs to take some action legally so this thing can get in front of the Supreme Court sooner rather than later to interpret this section,” he added.

    Scanlan’s office confirmed Messner and Scanlan met Friday to discuss Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment but announced the secretary of state will meet with the state attorney general before making any decisions.

    “Secretary Scanlan will be conferring with the New Hampshire Attorney General and other legal counsel on this issue; however, he believes any action taken under this Constitutional provision will have to be based on Judicial guidance,” Scanlan’s communications director Anna Sventek told ABC News.

    Scanlan said he views the January 6 Capitol riot as a “really unfortunate event in our history” but cautioned that he is not “really qualified to say whether that was an ‘insurrection’ or not.”

    “I think that is for the courts to decide,” Scanlan added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    New Hampshire Secretary of State Weighs Using 14th Amendment to Keep Trump Off Ballot

    https://www.breitbart.com/2024-elect...-trump-ballot/

    JORDAN DIXON-HAMILTON 25 Aug 2023

    New Hampshire Secretary of State David Scanlan (R) is consulting with the state attorney general to determine if the U.S. Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment empowers him to keep former President Donald Trump off the 2024 presidential ballot.
    On what actual basis? Charges? Are we not innocent until proven guilty in America? Or is the Deep State really going to go full-retard on this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    On what actual basis? Charges? Are we not innocent until proven guilty in America? Or is the Deep State really going to go full-retard on this one?
    "By Any Means Necessary" isn't just for leftists & Democrats.

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    You forgot Section 3 of the 14th Amendment:
    Too bad that doesn't have anything to do with anything Trump has ever done.
    I didn't say it did.

    However, a couple of conservative law profs think it does. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=4532751
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    On what actual basis? Charges? Are we not innocent until proven guilty in America? Or is the Deep State really going to go full-retard on this one?
    They're running with a Section Three argument that basically says, insurrection is whatever we say insurrection is, not guilt defined by a court of law or even by an impeachment vote.

    Section 3
    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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    This is no longer about policy or GOP rah rahing or "left right paradigm" or other nonsense buzz words.

    This is the system asserting it's power in the most direct and forceful way I have ever seen in my lifetime, with exception of the Reagan assassination attempt.

    "You will not be allowed to vote for this man, period.

    Now, $#@! off."

    If they can that to you, putting a mask back on your face and jabbing you with a clot shot will be child's play, among so many other things.

    So....anybody going to do anything, or are we just going to continue to sit around and play with ourselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This is no longer about policy or GOP rah rahing or "left right paradigm" or other nonsense buzz words.

    This is the system asserting it's power in the most direct and forceful way I have ever seen in my lifetime, with exception of the Reagan assassination attempt.

    "You will not be allowed to vote for this man, period.

    Now, $#@! off."

    If they can that to you, putting a mask back on your face and jabbing you with a clot shot will be child's play, among so many other things.

    So....anybody going to do anything, or are we just going to continue to sit around and play with ourselves?
    It's the will of the people. What's there to do? Even if/during/after war, one can't force others to change their thinking or reliance on government [this goes for both people and the corporatists].

    You're worried about voting? Isn't that what got us where we are in the first place?

    I hope it doesn't come to this, but if it does:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    They're running with a Section Three argument that basically says, insurrection is whatever we say insurrection is, not guilt defined by a court of law or even by an impeachment vote.
    Oh right, I forgot that the power of the States suddenly exists again whenever it is convenient for the Left for it to exist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So....anybody going to do anything, or are we just going to continue to sit around and play with ourselves?
    Prayer is the weapon of choice. And worship is the heavy-artillery. We need to unite in Christ and up-level this way beyond anything the Deep State can even begin to imagine. They screwed up the moment they tried to make this a spiritual issue, that is, when they tried to assert total tyranny over both State and conscience. They will reap what they have sowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    They're running with a Section Three argument that basically says, insurrection is whatever we say insurrection is, not guilt defined by a court of law or even by an impeachment vote.
    Ya pretty ludicrous to think they can take anyone off a ballot without action from congress, seems like clown town.
    Do something Danke

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    Don't be surprised if all blue states end up doing this, even the ones that are swing states.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Don't be surprised if all blue states end up doing this, even the ones that are swing states.
    I hope so. That would be quite the unforced error on their part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    It's the will of the people. What's there to do? Even if/during/after war, one can't force others to change their thinking or reliance on government [this goes for both people and the corporatists].

    You're worried about voting? Isn't that what got us where we are in the first place?

    I hope it doesn't come to this, but if it does:

    10 Ways
    I'm not particularly worried about voting, per se, you should know that as well as I do.

    It's what that move represents.

    Hugo Chavez $#@!.

    And that article deserves a thread of its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Don't be surprised if all blue states end up doing this, even the ones that are swing states.
    We can certainly hope so, can't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm not particularly worried about voting, per se, you should know that as well as I do.

    It's what that move represents.
    I know... just sayin' ;-)


    Hugo Chavez $#@!.

    And that article deserves a thread of its own.
    Just the thought of even more "bring out the [commies & fascists] vote"... I'd like to see the whole process banished, stricken, illegalized, completely done away with, so that not one single person has my leg to stand on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Just the thought of even more "bring out the [commies & fascists] vote"... I'd like to see the whole process banished, stricken, illegalized, completely done away with, so that not one single person has my leg to stand on.
    At the end of the day, I'm in complete agreement.

    The thought that any single one of these $#@!ing idjits has any say over my life, is intolerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    On what actual basis? Charges? Are we not innocent until proven guilty in America? Or is the Deep State really going to go full-retard on this one?
    Unfortunately, the 14th is completely silent on the topic of how the restriction actually works and how it and the 1st amendment interact. If you're an originalist, all you have to go off of is how it was spoken of in debate and utilized after the Civil War.


    It's so unclear that no matter how someone attempts to implement it, it'll end up in front of the Supreme Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "By Any Means Necessary" isn't just for leftists & Democrats.
    What else is a RINO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Oh right, I forgot that the power of the States suddenly exists again whenever it is convenient for the Left for it to exist...
    This is not even a state matter, it would be a matter for Congress or the Federal courts to determine and either refuse to swear him in or remove him from office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Unfortunately, the 14th is completely silent on the topic of how the restriction actually works and how it and the 1st amendment interact. If you're an originalist, all you have to go off of is how it was spoken of in debate and utilized after the Civil War.


    It's so unclear that no matter how someone attempts to implement it, it'll end up in front of the Supreme Court.
    Point to the actual war that happened.
    That's the originalist question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Point to the actual war that happened.
    That's the originalist question.
    Given your previous takes on the constitution and other matters, I certainly don't think you much of an originalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "By Any Means Necessary" isn't just for leftists & Democrats.
    What else is a RINO?
    Ron Paul is a RINO.

    So is Thomas Massie.

    Rand Paul is too, most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ron Paul is a RINO.

    So is Thomas Massie.

    Rand Paul is too, most of the time.
    We should change that. Instead of, I dunno, accepting it.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ron Paul is a RINO.

    So is Thomas Massie.

    Rand Paul is too, most of the time.
    Bunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ron Paul is a RINO.

    So is Thomas Massie.

    Rand Paul is too, most of the time.
    Bunk.
    Oh, that's right, I forgot - Thomas Massie is just a "third-rate grandstander".

    Thanks for the correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What else is a RINO?
    https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/st...73851934150729

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    New Hampshire Secretary of State Backs Down, ‘Not Seeking’ to Remove Trump from Ballot

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-trump-ballot/

    JORDAN DIXON-HAMILTON 28 Aug 2023

    New Hampshire Secretary of State David Scanlan told NBC News on Monday he is “not seeking to remove any names” from the Republican primary ballot after Turning Point USA Founder Charlie Kirk urged his supporters to call Scanlan’s office following reports Scanlan was weighing using the Fourteenth Amendment to keep former President Donald Trump off the ballot.

    On Friday, Scanlan met with New Hampshire attorney Bryant “Corky” Messner to discuss Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which says public officials are not eligible to hold office if they “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the United States.

    Scanlan openly flirted with the idea of keeping Trump off the ballot, telling the Boston Globe he would confer with New Hampshire’s attorney general on the issue.

    “Not being a lawyer and not wanting to make a decision in a vacuum, I will be soliciting some legal opinions on what is appropriate or not before I make any decision,” Scanlan told the Globe. “I have some in-house staff attorneys that are election experts. I will be asking the attorney general’s office for their input. And ultimately whatever is decided is probably going to require some judicial input.”

    Charlie Kirk speaking with attendees at the June 3, 2022, Young Women's Leadership Summit hosted by Turning Point USA at the Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center in Grapevine, Texas. (Gage Skidmore/Flickr)
    Charlie Kirk speaking in Grapevine, Texas. (Gage Skidmore/Flickr)

    Then, Kirk urged his supporters on Monday to contact Scanlan and express concern with the potential effort to use the Constitution to keep Trump off the ballot.

    “I don’t care if you live in New Hampshire or not. It should be a nationwide movement of people contacting, because this impacts everybody,” Kirk said on his show. “We’re gonna break the phone lines and say, ‘Who do you think you are for even entertaining this?’”

    That same day, Scanlan told NBC News he is “not seeking to remove any names from the presidential primary ballot, and I have not said that I am seeking to remove any names from the presidential primary ballot.”

    Kirk warned Breitbart News, “We must stay vigilant against any and all efforts to stop Trump from being on the primary ballot.”

    “The grassroots are watching and active,” Kirk added.

    Regarding Friday’s meeting between the two, Scanlan said Messner “made a presentation to me about what he is thinking in terms of making a challenge to the former president’s qualifications.”

    “I listened, just as I would listen to anybody that wants to come in with issues related to any candidate’s qualifications one way or the other,” Scanlan added. “I intend to be prepared by seeking appropriate legal input so that when the time comes to make a decision on those challenges, to qualifications, that I can respond appropriately with the facts.”

    New Hampshire Secretary of State David M. Scanlan attends the summer conference of the National Association of Secretaries of State in Baton Rouge, La., Friday, July 8, 2022. (AP Photo/Matthew Hinton)
    New Hampshire Secretary of State David M. Scanlan attends a summer conference July 8, 2022. (AP Photo/Matthew Hinton)

    New Hampshire GOP Chairman Chris Ager, who appeared on Kirk’s Monday show, called efforts to keep Trump off the ballot “antithetical to our ‘live free or die’ spirit.”

    Ager said in a statement:

    Efforts to deny New Hampshire Republican primary voters a full slate of options are antithetical to our “live free or die” spirit. The New Hampshire State Republican Party will fight all efforts to eliminate candidates from our primary ballot. I have confidence in our secretary of state and attorney general to make the right decisions. Let voters decide the nominee, not a weaponized federal justice system using tortured logic.

    Ager remains “confident” that New Hampshire will keep Trump on the primary ballot.

    “I’ve talked to the secretary of state,” Ager said. “I’ve talked to the attorney general. I am very confident that all of the 14 current candidates who apply will be on our ballot.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    On what actual basis? Charges? Are we not innocent until proven guilty in America? Or is the Deep State really going to go full-retard on this one?
    Basis? No "basis" is necessary in Amerika, comrade.
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