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    Getting Vivek’d

    Getting Vivek’d

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    By eric - August 25, 2023

    Sometimes, when you know one thing about a person, it’s all you really need to know about that person.

    Here’s something to know about Vivek Ramaswamy, who wants to be the Republican front-man for president: He favors a confiscatory inheritance tax – which he says will promote a “meritocracy” by dint of eliminating the “problem” (as he sees it) of an unearned advantage possessed by people whose parents leave them a substantial sum of money.

    Or even any money.

    He says that the state seizing – and redistributing – the accumulated wealth of a lifetime of work is “a way of redistributing duty.”

    The “duty,” apparently, to turn over whatever’s left of whatever you’ve earned that you still have at the end of your life to the government.

    Where to begin?

    How about with this business of promoting a “meritocracy” – by seizing and redistributing the wealth earned by the meritorious? Or at least, the successful. People who worked hard – or worked smart – and accumulated wealth, which they did not dissipate during their lives because they wished to save it, presumably for the sake of their children. Which is to say, people who were motivated – at least in part – to be successful because they wanted to help their kids.

    This Vivek character favors punishing such parents by promising to have the government take not just some but almost all of what they earned (after having already taken a large portion of it via the tax-theft applied to it when it was earned and then again whenever it was spent and even on the things it was spent on, such as real estate ) so that it can be given to . . . who, exactly?

    Why, to the government!

    The very epicenter of merit. Where you will find the best and brightest; the people who succeed at productive endeavors that create rather than redistribute wealth. It is our duty to do this! It is our “Path Back to Excellence” – the partial title of the book in which Vivek spells out his plan to have the government equalize everyone.

    “We shouldn’t allow people to become billionaires just by having rich parents,” Vivek says. People who have money “owe it to everyone else” (italics added) in order to “preserve meritocracy so others have the chance to do the same.”

    Meaning: Hand over whatever’s left of their life’s work to the government at the end of their lives.

    Vivek is not a stupid man. He is himself a rich man, presumably by dint of being smart and hard-working. So it is unlikely he isn’t smart enough to understand the meaning of what he says. Which is the same thing the most radical of Leftists have been saying since the Communist Manifesto was published. One of those things being (point number 3) the “Abolition of all rights to inheritance.”

    Vivik didn’t say all – and not for all. Just “billionaires.”

    For now.

    This is how “we” ended up with a tax on income, too. When the 13th Amendment was proposed (by agents of the money interests that controlled – and still control – the country) it was sold to the rubes as something only the wealthiest Americans would have to pay. This appealed to their envy – and their envy clouded their judgment as regards their own self-interest. They were foolish enough to buy the notion that only the wealthy would have to pay the income tax.

    And now everyone except the rich – who can afford to pay sharp lawyers to arrange it so that they avoid it – pays it.

    It will work the same with the inheritance tax Vivek favors, should it ever be realized. Perhaps because Vivek does not (like all-too-many “conservatives”) appreciate that by agreeing with Leftists you end up with Communism. A system in which what’s yours belongs to others.

    So why bother working to earn it?

    This is the question begged – but not answered – by Vivek. There is another, related question he ought to be asked to answer: How can a “meritocracy” exist when it is punished? The opposite of Communism is a system in which your success isn’t punished. It is agrees that what you earn does not belong to others. And it follows that if it belongs to you, it also belongs to whomever you wish to leave it to. The fact that this advantages those to whom it is given is not a justification for stealing it from them. If it is, then why not go after – why not punish – other advantages that lead to inequality?

    Some people are bequeathed better genes by their parents. They are smarter or healthier or some other advantageous thing – purely as an accident of birth. And many are advantaged by parents who care enough to provide their kids with the best education available. The best food they can afford to feed them. To give them every opportunity – including those others may not have. This is not “unfair.” It is their right.

    They are motivated to sacrifice for the sake of their kids. This is as natural a human feeling as the instinct of a cat to protect her kittens. Without it, the kittens will probably die. Without the motive to work – often, for the sake of one’s progeny – so does a society.

    It is a bleak barometer of what the Republican Party has become that a Republican presidential candidate can endorse a tenet of the Communist Manifesto – and still be a viable Republican candidate for president.

    Then again, it was Republicans who ginned up the first tax on income – under Abraham Lincoln, during what was not a “civil war” (the states of the Southern Confederacy did not seek to take over the Northern states; they simply wished to leave a “union” their grandfathers had assumed was based on the concept of the consent of the governed).

    Lincoln “signed into law a revenue-raising measure to help pay for Civil War expenses. The measure created a Commissioner of Internal Revenue and the nation’s first income tax. It levied a 3 percent tax on incomes between $600 and $10,000 and a 5 percent tax on incomes of more than $10,000.”

    Note the usual neutral-sounding language of coercion. A “revenue raising measure.” As if it were voluntary.

    And of course, it was the Republicans who – over the dead bodies of more than half a million Americans on both sides – ended forever by force of arms the idea of government by consent.

    So it is not really surprising that one of the leading candidates for the Republican nomination endorses ending forever the right of those who earn money to save it and pass it down to their kids.

    “We” mustn’t “allow people” to do that.
    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984



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    Also, according to the interwebs, he has even paid to have some of his other negative positions wiped.


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    If the inheritance tax is steep enough, billionaires would just find other ways to transfer their wealth to their children. Nothing an accountant couldn't fix.

    Dumb idea for like a billion reasons

    But ya ramaswampy is a Marxist like the rest of them. His only selling points is defunding Ukraine and his fantastic ability to nutswing on DJT
    Last edited by TheTexan; 08-26-2023 at 06:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Also, according to the interwebs, he has even paid to have some of his other negative positions wiped.
    He just seems sus as $#@! and huge charlatan. He makes other politicians seem genuine
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Already discussed..

    It's not a serious policy proposal, he was making the point that it is better to increase the inheritance tax if the income tax was ditched (entirely, or almost completely).
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Already discussed..

    It's not a serious policy proposal, he was making the point that it is better to increase the inheritance tax if the income tax was ditched (entirely, or almost completely).
    Yeah, was coming here to say this.

    It's really a sign of political immaturity to conduct thought experiments on issues like that, though, because of how they get twisted.

    To be clear, I still think Vivek is cosplaying his role but I don't like seeing things being taken out of context like this.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, was coming here to say this.

    It's really a sign of political immaturity to conduct thought experiments on issues like that, though, because of how they get twisted.

    To be clear, I still think Vivek is cosplaying his role but I don't like seeing things being taken out of context like this.

    He seems to be in favor of somehow making up for the difference in low and/or flat taxes. If his confiscatory inheritance tax doesn't come to fruition, what other ways would he try to come up with?

    I would never even suggest anything like that.


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    Sorry, I'm not worried about Vivek who would actually be better than Trump for our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If the inheritance tax is steep enough, billionaires would just find other ways to transfer their wealth to their children. Nothing an accountant couldn't fix.

    Dumb idea for like a billion reasons

    But ya ramaswampy is a Marxist like the rest of them. His only selling points is defunding Ukraine and his fantastic ability to nutswing on DJT
    So, getting rid of a half dozen three letter agencies including the FBI and cutting the federal government staff by 75% is not a selling point?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    The .0000001% should not become a permanent for all human history oligarchy
    That own everything in perpetuity.

    There will be a solution one way or another. There has to be.
    They can literally buy every plot of land and every house if they want.
    They don't ever have to work, it just rolls in like the sky, millions a day, for doing nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    So, getting rid of a half dozen three letter agencies including the FBI and cutting the federal government staff by 75% is not a selling point?
    Sounds good in theory, until:

    4. Vivek wants to shut down the FBI (<--I am all for it, but not for this-->) and replace it with a "Police Apparatus", so that said Police Apparatus can actually do the job of Background Checks. He also wants to transfer 15,000 FBI Agents to the DEA.

    5. Vivek wants to eliminate the FedDeptEd (<--I am all for it, but not for this-->) and use part of that money to put 3 LEO in every school.


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    I think the guy is slippery as an eel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Sounds good in theory, until:
    So 35,000 currently in the FBI down to 15,000, transferred to another agency, that's more than a 50% reduction. I'm all for it. He also wants to legalize cannabis. The DEA agents are obviously going to be focused on fentanyl coming over the border, not raiding people's homes because they have a greenhouse...

    Most schools already have an LEO, my high school had one in the late 90s before Columbine even happened.. So getting rid of the Dept of Education is a really good deal. The reason he wants LEOs in schools is so he can help expand our 2nd amendment rights. I'm not sure what the problem is here. You may want a different outcome, but the outcome he wants is 90% of the way there to exactly what you want. The problem is you seem to be unable to do these types of calculations on your own.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    I wont be over any limit of any inherit tax , if I was I'd give it away to my relatives prior. If you want to eliminate fed income tax you could set inherit tax at whatever and everyone could still come out ahead so I dont see any of this as legitimate really , Your never going to get the schumer senate to cut one thing so having any pres to veto bills could add a few yrs to the country before it collapses
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I think the guy is slippery as an eel.
    This sounds like the "he's so good, he must be bad" argument.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This sounds like the "he's so good, he must be bad" argument.
    Reminds me of the movie, "The Music Man."



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    His only selling points is defunding Ukraine and his fantastic ability to nutswing on DJT
    What about pegging the dollar to gold? That should be one of our top issues. Ron Paul wrote at least one book about it..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Reminds me of the movie, "The Music Man."
    It sounds like your argument is that people who are really persuasive can never be trusted, therefore we need to support people who are not very persuasive.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It sounds like your argument is that people who are really persuasive can never be trusted, therefore we need to support people who are not very persuasive.
    More like, be watchful of persuasive people and evaluate them carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    More like, be watchful of persuasive people and evaluate them carefully.
    At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

    Persuasive people win in politics.

    When a libertarian politician finally gets elected to something like President, it will be with protest from many, or possibly most in the libertarian movement.. which is a little sad and ironic, but whatever. It doesn't matter.

    If there was a person that everybody on this forum could get behind, which would never happen because most people here are too picky.. they wouldn't win on the national stage anyway. The libertarian vote is way to small to carry any weight.

    If libertarians are ever going to win, they are going to have to get the votes from non-libertarians.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Some people are bequeathed better genes by their parents. They are smarter or healthier or some other advantageous thing – purely as an accident of birth. And many are advantaged by parents who care enough to provide their kids with the best education available. The best food they can afford to feed them. To give them every opportunity – including those others may not have. This is not “unfair.” It is their right.
    HARRISON BERGERON
    by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
    THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

    Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteen-year-old son, Harrison, away.

    It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.
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    lol , vonnegut pretty entertaining. As an old soldier I was particularly entertained by slaughterhouse five
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What about pegging the dollar to gold? That should be one of our top issues. Ron Paul wrote at least one book about it..
    He doesn't want to end the Fed he wants to change its mandate to print currency to peg against basket of goods.

    Not same thing.

    Ramaswampy talks good on 2A so I will give him that
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    He doesn't want to end the Fed he wants to change its mandate to print currency to peg against basket of goods.

    Not same thing.

    Ramaswampy talks good on 2A so I will give him that
    Pegging the dollar to gold and other goods is better than what we currently have because it significantly reduces the amount of money the fed can print. His preference would be to get rid of the Fed and just have a gold standard, but this is really the next best thing and it is something that is far more palatable and sounds less "extreme". It can be easily sold to the public.

    Currently, the Fed targets 2% inflation, based on their BS inflation numbers. Peter Schiff says you can pretty much double whatever they say, so let's say the Fed targets 4% inflation.

    Vivek's policy would be targeting 0% inflation based on gold and some other commodities that likely provide much better representation of true inflation.

    It's always important to make the correct comparison. Comparing Vivek's policy to ending the Fed is the incorrect comparison. The correct comparison is comparing his policy to our current policy, as well as the policies of the rest of the pool of candidates.
    Last edited by dannno; 08-26-2023 at 10:50 PM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Pegging the dollar to gold and other goods is better than what we currently have because it significantly reduces the amount of money the fed can print. His preference would be to get rid of the Fed and just have a gold standard, but this is really the next best thing and it is something that is far more palatable and sounds less "extreme". It can be easily sold to the public.

    Currently, the Fed targets 2% inflation, based on their BS inflation numbers. Peter Schiff says you can pretty much double whatever they say, so let's say the Fed targets 4% inflation.

    Vivek's policy would be targeting 0% inflation based on gold and some other commodities that likely provide much better representation of true inflation.

    It's always important to make the correct comparison. Comparing Vivek's policy to ending the Fed is the incorrect comparison. The correct comparison is comparing his policy to our current policy, as well as the policies of the rest of the pool of candidates.
    The only positions I even care about these days are 1) secession, and 2) divisiveness

    Trump scores F-- on the secession rating but he gets A++ on the divisiveness. (divisiveness invariably leads to secession )

    If Ramaswampy ever (or has already) suggests secession as an alternate/primary solution, I will re-evaluate accordingly
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This sounds like the "he's so good, he must be bad" argument.
    He's so bad he must be bad.
    He wants back in the TPP to send our industry to India and he wants more Indian H1B immigrants to take what jobs remain.
    And he is serious about the inheritance tax, he wouldn't have said anything about it if he wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    If Ramaswampy ever (or has already) suggests secession as an alternate/primary solution, I will re-evaluate accordingly
    TheTexan has already seen this, but for others who haven't:

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
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      -- The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
      -- Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    TheTexan has already seen this, but for others who haven't:


    Re “national divorce is not an option” Abe? Is that you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's so bad he must be bad.
    He wants back in the TPP to send our industry to India and he wants more Indian H1B immigrants to take what jobs remain.
    Past free trade deals were made in order to send industry out of the US, because we took the unfair end of the stick. Send cheap goods to the US, but don't send any goods back. It sounds like he wants to create a similar deal where it is equalized so that we can export goods, which would mean more jobs.

    I'm a little skeptical, but if that means getting somebody who is going to gut 80% of the Federal Govt., I think that's a pretty good deal overall.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And he is serious about the inheritance tax, he wouldn't have said anything about it if he wasn't.
    He said he wasn't serious about it, it was just a thought experiment.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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