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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
While Department of Justice policy says that a sitting President can't be tried or convicted of a crime, there's nothing the Constitution that says so, and the Supreme Court has never said so. See the following articles:
https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/20...sions-immunity
https://academic.oup.com/book/32574/chapter/270366527
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
First, which election rule is it that was changed during covid that you're concerned hasn't gone back?
Second, "emergency rules" aren't really a requirement for someone who thinks that US black ops special forces raided a German datacenter to recover servers hosting Venezuelan software that stole the election.
It'd be easier to go the other way...
Here's a list from a left-wing site of all the covid-related changes - some permanent, some temporary that were subsequently made permanent, some that went back.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...roundup-2020-0
Note that when they say: "Protect the right to vote" or "Support voting" or things like that, what they really mean are steps to rig the voting process to advantage a certain party over another.States That Took Substantial Legislative Steps to Support Voting During the Pandemic
Among the 29 states and the District of Columbia that enacted expansive voting laws, seven states stand out for particularly ambitious legislative action to protect the right to vote in the face of significant constraints posed by the pandemic. These measures aimed to smooth election administration and protect voters and election workers from Covid-19. California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Nevada, Utah, and Virginia all made substantial changes to their election laws this year to preserve safe access to the ballot box.
California passed legislation to affirmatively mail ballots to all voters and set strict standards for polling place closures.footnote2_kq74lif2
Connecticut passed a broad bill to expand absentee access, allow drop boxes, authorize preprocessing of mailed ballots, and expand options for early in-person voting. Only the early voting provisions, however, are permanent.footnote3_zqh0mny3
Massachusetts expanded options and eligibility for absentee and in-person early voting, set temporary standards for polling place closures that required election officials to look at disparate racial impact, and mailed absentee ballot applications to all voters. These changes were largely temporary; the only significant permanent reform was the expansion of in-person early voting options.footnote4_f10y9t34
New York made a range of temporary and permanent changes to their mail and absentee ballot processes so that every New Yorker could vote by mail during the pandemic. The permanent changes included a notice and cure opportunity for rejected absentee ballots and a statutory presumption that ballots lacking a postmark were returned on time.footnote5_ln0sxn45
Nevada enacted new legislation requiring counties to keep a certain number of polling places open and mailed ballots to all voters. Nevada’s automatic voter registration (AVR) and same-day registration (SDR) statutes were also in place for the first time this year.footnote6_345x51s6
Utah passed a number of permanent reforms in an omnibus elections bill aimed at responding to Covid-19, including creating online voter registration, authorizing mail ballot drop boxes, and expanding the voter registration deadline.footnote7_5ecqrt87
Virginia took the most ambitious steps to pass expansive legislation. After flipping the state House of Delegates and gaining a trifecta in 2019, Virginia Democrats enacted legislation to adopt automatic voter registration and same-day registration, repeal the photo ID requirement, allow no-excuse absentee voting, create a permanent absentee voter list option, and expand options for in-person early voting. These changes were made largely before the worst impacts of Covid-19 took hold.footnote8_lhzxscu8
Laws enacted to expand voting access were passed primarily in states where Democrats have full control of state government. (Democrats in Massachusetts have legislative supermajorities that allow them to override the Republican governor’s vetoes.) The notable exception is Utah, where Republicans passed a number of important pro-voter reforms.
Types of Legislation That Enabled Voting During Covid-19
As highlighted below, and contrary to expectations, states with varying partisan makeups also enacted laws to facilitate voting during the pandemic. Indeed, three states with divided government broke years of partisan gridlock on election law issues to pass voting legislation that protected voters from Covid-19: Louisiana, Michigan, and North Carolina.
Louisiana passed 10 bills that included both expansive and restrictive voting provisions. Expansive provisions included allowing preprocessing of absentee ballots, loosening the witness requirement for mail ballots, expanding early in-person voting, implementing standards for closing or consolidating polling places, and increasing poll worker pay. Louisiana also passed two restrictive provisions limiting who could witness absentee ballot applications and allowing police at polling places. Michigan passed four bills, including legislation to allow mail ballot preprocessing the day before Election Day and to create a notice and cure opportunity for mail ballots. North Carolina passed four bills, one of which authorized online mail ballot requests.
Broadly, pandemic-driven voting legislation focused on three themes: expanding access to or altering the mail voting process, instituting new standards for polling places, and strengthening poll worker recruitment.
1. Vote By Mail
Eight states expanded eligibility to vote by mail. Connecticut, Delaware, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, New York, Virginia, and South Carolina all enacted legislation to expand vote-by-mail eligibility in some way. Only Virginia expanded eligibility permanently, and only New Hampshire did so in a divided government.
Four states enacted new notice and cure processes. Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Virginia all created or expanded notice and cure processes through new legislation. In contrast to the expanded eligibility statutes, three of these four statutes were permanent reforms. Virginia is the only state of the four that didn’t face litigation in 2020 related to its notice and cure policy (or the absence thereof). And Michigan is the only state of these four without a Democratic trifecta in state government.
Four states and the District of Columbia provided prepaid postage for all mail ballots. D.C., Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Virginia passed new legislation to provide prepaid postage for mail ballots. Only Maryland’s statute was a permanent change.
Four states extended ballot receipt deadlines. California, Massachusetts, Mississippi, and New York extended their mail ballot receipt deadlines via statute. This lineup of states is notable in that it includes Democratic trifectas, a Republican trifecta, and a state with divided government; however, only New York’s change was permanent.
Five states permitted preprocessing of mail ballots. Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, and Vermont passed legislation authorizing election officials to begin processing mail ballots at some point before Election Day. These states represent Democratic trifectas, Republican trifectas, and divided governments.
2. Polling Places
Long lines and confusion during the primary elections conducted during the early months of the pandemic led several states to take legislative action to ensure polling places stayed open during early voting and on Election Day. Nine states and the District of Columbia instituted new standards for polling place closures and consolidations to guaranty a minimum number of polling places remained open.footnote9_9lfy4cs9 These reforms happened in states with Democratic trifectas, Republican trifectas, and divided government. And most of these reforms were permanent — only D.C., California, and Massachusetts’s legislation was temporary.
Five states and D.C. set specific quotas for the number of open polling places. These were California, D.C., Iowa, Massachusetts, Nebraska, and Nevada. The most common reform was a statute requiring a specific number of polling places to be open on Election Day. Some states used a raw number, while others used a ratio of registered voters per polling place. Massachusetts’s temporary legislation was unique in that it specifically required election commissioners to consider whether polling place changes would have disparate adverse impacts based on race, national origin, disability, income, or age.
Four states required election officials to follow specific processes for closing or consolidating polling places. Delaware, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Virginia passed legislation requiring election officials to use specific processes and pre-election timelines when closing or consolidating polling places.
Tennessee and D.C. established notice procedures for election officials when closing or consolidating polling places. These procedures minimize voter confusion by ensuring voters know where to go to vote.
3. Poll Workers
Seven states passed new legislation focused on poll worker recruitment, which became a particular challenge during the Covid-19 pandemic.
Four states and D.C. relaxed standards for who may serve as a poll worker. D.C., Illinois, Massachusetts, Utah, and Virginia expanded poll worker eligibility requirements by lowering age restrictions or eliminating county residency rules.
Three states increased poll worker compensation. Louisiana, Mississippi, and North Carolina used legislation to bolster poll worker recruitment efforts by increasing poll worker compensation temporarily.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Several. For starters:
Obstruction of the government's efforts to recover the presidential records that Trump had no right to possess. Whether they were classified is immaterial.
Divulging classified defense information to persons without the clearance to view them.
After the safe harbor date in the Electoral Count Act had passed attempting to have the Georgia Secretary of State "find" additional votes for him after being told by the Secretary that Trump's claims of election fraud never happened.
Having his agents (e.g., Giuliani) lie to the Georgia subcommittee about irregularities in the Fulton County vote counting in an attempt to change the final count.
Of course none of this has anything to do with whether the Constitution prohibits trying a sitting President for a crime.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
Highly debatable. Also, if convicted, we better be able to see what records Trump "took" that "he had no right to possess".. at minimum, let somebody like Rand view them in a SCIF so he can tell us what his opinion is on it.
This one is total fake news.. Trump wasn't holding up classified defense information, he was holding up a newspaper article that discussed said information, and said he should have declassified it. He only told the person what was publicly known, which was in the news article.
Total bull$#@!. He wasn't asking to find votes FOR him, he was asking them to find fraudulent votes that they could subtract out. There is nothing wrong with that, it's totally normal. Also specifically part of the first amendment, the right to redress grievances.
What evidence do you have they were lying? You don't even have evidence they were wrong..
Last edited by dannno; 08-18-2023 at 06:19 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Are you better versed in Constitutional Law than Alan Derschowitz?
“I predict there’ll be some convictions,” Dershowitz said during an appearance on “Bannon’s War Room,” a podcast hosted by former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon. “I think the strategy is to get bad convictions, but to get them fast in New York and Florida, in Washington, and in Fulton County.”
Dershowitz argued these convictions will be reversed, but not until after the election.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...mp-indictment/
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
As Jimmy Dore pointed out recently, there's been a longstanding "honor among thieves" practice of not prosecuting your political opponents, which kind of calls into question why they broke that tradition in Trump's case.
It doesn't have to be a good reason, but I'm guessing there is (at least) one.
"Democracy Is At Stake" | Part Of The Problem 1026
On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie take a look at a supercut of the media having a different tone about the justice system being used in political beefs, and a panic over Donald Trump on a recent episode of Morning Joe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JrfGF4nGsY
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
The Presidential Records Act is clear: at the conclusion of a President's term presidential records belong to the National Archives. In addition, these records had been subpoenaed and Trump had a duty to return them.
Bull$#@! (which is what Trump's own Attorney General had told him his claims of fraud were). Georgia had already audited the voting results three times and had certified them in accordance with Georgia law.
Giuliani has already admitted his claims that two Fulton County poll workers manipulated ballots were defamatory. By definition, a defamatory claim is a false claim.
There's nothing about constitutional law in the article you linked to. Try again.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
They had them.. Trump didn't take anything he wasn't supposed to that the National Archives didn't have a copy of. Lookup the portion of the PRA that says "otherwise has access".
The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis
A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-tru...nd-11661170684
That's not even an answer or related to anything I said..
And who cares if they "claim" they did an audit? We know they weren't fully audited, we know they didn't do signature matching.. they just "re-counted" a bunch of fraudulent ballots and claimed they were "audited". That's more like a recount, not a full audit..He wasn't asking to find votes FOR him, he was asking them to find fraudulent votes that they could subtract out. There is nothing wrong with that, it's totally normal. Also specifically part of the first amendment, the right to redress grievances.
His attorney argued they were defamatory per se (meaning the statements were damaging), not "with actual malice" (meaning Guiliani knew the claims were false at the time). That was an argument made to save him time and money in the lawsuit - basically "even if my client's statements were false and damaged the defendants, let's assume they did so we don't have to waste court time... he did so unknowingly and therefore this is Constitutionally protected free speech."
Are you sure you are an actual attorney?
Dershowitz is a Constitutional Attorney.. his opinion is that all of the cases are bad and will be overturned by higher courts. He thinks that Trump may be falsely convicted on some charges because he is a lawyer and knows that lawyers can easily fool a biased jury. Why is your opinion better than his?
Last edited by dannno; 08-19-2023 at 01:11 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Unknowingly, most likely, but that doesn't detract from his opinions on Constitutional law which is completely unrelated to what you are talking about.
Part of being a lawyer is defending really bad people from time to time. There is no evidence Dershowitz was aware of the extent of Epstein's crimes in 2005.
Last edited by dannno; 08-19-2023 at 01:11 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Um... I don't know how much you have followed his opinions on "Constitutional law" but this might be a good place to start:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?319161...-surveillance#!
Make that state surveillance-loving Zionist pedovore defender.
The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.
I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.
The sad thing is he may be correct to some extent, even though I believe it is bad policy to spy on Americans (I assume he was referring to Americans, although it wasn't made clear).
The way he would likely defend it is that the government needs a warrant to come into your house or search your belongings, but they don't need a warrant to search a box left in the street. If you are sending data over a network of public infrastructure, is that data constitutionally protected, or is it more like a box left in the street? What about a box you send to a private company? Should they be allowed to send that to the government if they want to? If it's on their network, and you sent it to their private network, it belongs to them, right?
It's a complex discussion, I always tend to side on the right to privacy.
Did you know the Post Office needs a search warrant to search First-Class mail, but they don't need one for other classes of mail?
I think it should be constitutionally protected, or at minimum there should be a policy of the US Govt not to spy on Americans.. but the founders didn't include it in the Constitution because the internet and data transfer over public infrastructure didn't exist. For the same reason, I don't think guns that didn't exist back at the time the Constitution was written should be infringed on by law.
What you won't find in many of Dershowitz' opinions is his personal opinion about the way things should be. He just calls it out like he believes the law is written. So I don't hold all his opinions on law against him, because he rarely specifies whether he agrees with the law or not.
If you really wanted a "gotcha" you should have posted his opinion on government forcing vaccinations. I don't agree with him 100% of the time, but he is generally very well educated on these types of topics and is at least worth hearing out. I would have to have a one on one debate with him to understand why he holds his position, whether he personally agrees with that position, etc.
Last edited by dannno; 08-19-2023 at 05:39 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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