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    Trump indictment #4: 2020 election RICO conspiracy [Fulton county GA]

    [Trump indictments: index of threads]

    Trump's (still impending) fourth indictment is already a farce, and it hasn't even officially happened yet.

    https://twitter.com/ToniWaterman_/st...27685337042948
    to: https://twitter.com/ToniWaterman_/st...43777551790096




    Georgia court website briefly publishes, removes document about potential Trump charges
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-sta...nt-2023-08-14/
    Reuters (14 August 2023)

    The Fulton County, Georgia, court's website briefly posted a document on Monday listing several criminal charges against former U.S. President Donald Trump that appeared related to his attempts to overturn his 2020 election defeat in the state, before taking the document down without explanation.

    The Fulton County District Attorney's office said in a statement that no charges had been filed against Trump.

    The document was dated Aug. 14 and named Trump, citing the case as "open," but is no longer available on the court's website. Reuters was not immediately able to determine why the item was posted or removed."The Reuters report that those charges were filed is inaccurate. Beyond that we cannot comment," a spokesperson for the District Attorney's office said.

    A Georgia prosecutor, District Attorney Fani Willis, has been probing whether Trump and his allies illegally sought to overturn the state's 2020 election results and has been expected to seek an indictment from a grand jury this week.

    If Trump is charged in Georgia, it would mark his fourth indictment in less than five months, and the second to arise from his efforts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden's in the 2020 presidential election.

    The Fulton County clerk's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the docket report. Representatives for the county and Trump also could not be immediately reached for comment.

    The two-page document cites the "Violation Of The Georgia Rico (Racketeer Influenced And Corrupt Organizations) Act," "Solicitation Of Violation Of Oath By Public Officer," "Conspiracy To Commit False Statements and Writings" and "Conspiracy To Commit Forgery in the First Degree," among other charges listed.



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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-14-2023 at 03:33 PM.
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    Trump should go to Russia while he can.

    I am serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Trump should go to Russia while he can.

    I am serious.
    I agree.

    If he goes to the GULAG here, they will Epstein him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Trump should go to Russia while he can.

    I am serious.
    The sheer farcicalness of it would simultaneously call for, and prevent, WW III
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The sheer farcicalness of it would simultaneously call for, and prevent, WW III
    He can step in when Putin retires.

    It would be freaking awesome.

    Russia is incredible.

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    Am I understanding this properly?

    The DA's office posted a list of indictments before the grand jury ruled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Am I understanding this properly?

    The DA's office posted a list of indictments before the grand jury ruled?
    yes
    Do something Danke

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Am I understanding this properly?

    The DA's office posted a list of indictments before the grand jury ruled?
    Yes. You are understanding this properly. That is exactly what happened.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes. You are understanding this properly. That is exactly what happened.

    Or someone on Trump's team got hold of it, and released it early to control the news cycle. Trump has done this frequently. Bill Clinton did it all the time and was known for it.

    Be that as it may, the release of Trump got illegal access to the election computers - with permission! - in a different county?! looks like an attempt to influence the grand jury illegally too. Presumably by the prosecutor - but maybe not! See next post.

    I am not of the apparent opinion of a few here - I think both sides are corrupt, and am content to see them take each other down and just watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    Or someone on Trump's team got hold of it, and released it early to control the news cycle. Trump has done this frequently. Bill Clinton did it all the time and was known for it.

    Be that as it may, the release of Trump got illegal access to the election computers - with permission! - in a different county?! looks like an attempt to influence the grand jury illegally too. Presumably by the prosecutor - but maybe not! See next post.

    I am not of the apparent opinion of a few here - I think both sides are corrupt, and am content to see them take each other down and just watch.
    See http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-New-York-Post for Trump doing it too.

    So far promising to be a very dirty fought case all round (if Trump didn't also release the leaks - we'll see what happens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    I am not of the apparent opinion of a few here - I think both sides are corrupt, and am content to see them take each other down and just watch.
    I think what's more likely to happen is that the democrats consolidate the establishment's power by getting rid of Trump, and someone like Pence or Chris Christie will get in and we'll lose about 15 years of progress in trying to put the neocons on the backfoot.

    I can't really see that as a gain, and I would not be content with that, personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    With the jurors names on it. Incompetent twits.

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    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    How would stepping aside benefit Trump as an individual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    Is that your best strategy for fighting dictatorial regimes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is that your best strategy for fighting dictatorial regimes?
    Supporting an obvious Democratic operative and grifter like Trump isn't exactly a good strategy either.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 08-14-2023 at 09:02 PM.
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    THREAD: Trump's court dates

    The trial date currently set for this case is: 04 March 2024 (proposed)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-30-2023 at 08:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post

    One would expect no less from a reality TV star of Trump’s stature.
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    Trump co-defendant Scott Hall pleads guilty in Georgia RICO case under condition that he testify against co-defendants
    "Conditions of your probation in this sentence is that you testify truthfully at any further court proceedings..."
    https://thepostmillennial.com/trump-...-co-defendants
    {Sara Higdon | 02 October 2023}

    On Friday, bail bondsman Scott Hall, one of 18 co-defendants charged alongside former President Donald Trump on election interference charges in Georgia, pleaded guilty.

    Hall pleaded guilty to five misdemeanor charges of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of an election. He was sentenced to five years probation and agreed to testify in the court hearings of his co-defendants.

    During the plea hearing in front of Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee, the Fulton County District Attorney's office asked Hall, "Do you understand that conditions of your probation in this sentence is that you testify truthfully at any further court proceedings to include trials of any co-defendants that is listed on the original indictment in which you were charged?"

    He responded, "Yes, ma'am."

    According to the Daily Mail, Hall was initially accused of unlawfully breaching voting machines in Coffee County in early 2021 to access voter data in an attempt to back up claims of election fraud made by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell.

    On August 14, Fulton County, Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis indicted former President Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, Kenneth Chesebro, Jeff Clark, Jenna Ellis, Ray Smith III, Robert Sheeley, Michael Roman, David Shafer, Shawn Still, Stephen Lee, Harrison Floyd, Trevian Kutti, Sidney Powell, Cathleen Latham, Scott Hall, and Misty Hampton on charges relating to the 2020 election.

    The list of charges includes a violation of the Georgia RICO Act, solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, false statements and writings, impersonating a public officer, conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, forgery in the first degree, conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree, conspiracy to commit false statements and writings, criminal attempt to commit filing false documents, conspiracy to commit filing false documents, criminal attempt to commit influencing witnesses, influencing witnesses, conspiracy to commit election fraud, conspiracy to commit computer theft, conspiracy to commit computer trespass, conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy, conspiracy to defraud the state, and perjury.

    The indictment in Georgia was the second that former President Trump is facing in connection to the 2020 presidential election. The first is in federal court for allegedly attempting to prevent the certification of the election on January 6, 2021 [see this thread - OB].

    Trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges that have been brought against him.

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    THREAD: Filing alleges improper relationship between Fulton DA & top Trump prosecutor

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Fani Willis DESTROYS Herself
    https://odysee.com/@actualjusticewar...roys-herself:0
    {Actual Justice Warrior | 19 February 2024}

    In this video I discuss the scandal Involving Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis & how it could destroy the RICO case she is building against former president Donald J. Trump.

    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-21-2024 at 02:24 AM.

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    THREAD: GA judge dismisses several charges against Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Judge dismisses some charges against Trump in the Georgia 2020 election interference case

    https://apnews.com/article/georgia-e...30f7e6eab69dcd

    BY KATE BRUMBACK AND ALANNA DURKIN RICHER

    Updated 11:15 AM GMT-5, March 13, 2024

    ATLANTA (AP) — The judge overseeing the Georgia 2020 election interference case on Wednesday dismissed some of the charges against former President Donald Trump and others, but the rest of the sweeping racketeering indictment remains intact.

    Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee quashed six counts in the indictment, including three against Trump, the presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee. But the judge left in place other counts — including 10 facing Trump — and said prosecutors could seek a new indictment to try to reinstate the ones he dismissed.

    The ruling is a blow for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who already is facing an effort to have her removed from the prosecution over her romantic relationship with a colleague. It’s the first time charges in any of Trump’s four criminal cases have been dismissed, with the judge saying prosecutors failed to provide enough detail about the alleged crime.

    The sprawling indictment charges Trump and more than a dozen other defendants with violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO. The case uses a statute normally associated with mobsters to accuse the former president, lawyers and other aides of a “criminal enterprise” to keep him in power after he lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Judge Rules Fani Must Choose, Either Fire Wade Or Drop The Case. No Audio First 30 Seconds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeYL1HJz8Ck
    {Nate The Lawyer | 15 March 2024}

    Fani Willis Disqualification Ruling

    0:00 On Mute
    0:35 Good To Go

    //

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    [bold emphasis added]
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [...]

    The Georgia Court of Appeals had until May 16th to grant or deny the review-certified appeal. [...] On May 8th, they decided to grant the appeal. Now that they've granted it, the appeal will be heard in the August 2024 term, which begins August 5th and ends November 18th. Their decision must be made on or before March 14th of 2025. This means it is quite unlikely that the trial will continue (with or without a disqualification of Willis) - let alone arrive at a verdict - before the U.S. general election (November 5th). [...]

    Donald Trump’s effort to oust Fani Willis from case | What happens next?
    Georgia Court of Appeals will rule on Trump’s request to remove Fulton DA from historic indictment.
    https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/202...-happens-next/
    {Tim Darnell | 08 May 2024}

    ATLANTA, Ga. (Atlanta News First) - Now that the Georgia Court of Appeals has agreed to hear an appeal from former President Donald Trump over Fulton County DA Fani Willis’ continuing participation in his historic indictment, what happens next?

    The Georgia Court of Appeals’ docket for case number A24I0160, also known as DONALD JOHN TRUMP ET AL V. THE STATE, said the appeal will be heard during the court’s August 2024 term. Per the court’s website, all cases docketed to this term must be decided by March 14, 2025.

    The August term ends on Nov. 18, 2024. The court’s argument calendar for August, September and October does not yet list a date for Trump’s appeal.
    “President Trump looks forward to presenting interlocutory arguments to the Georgia Court of Appeals as to why the case should be dismissed and Fulton County DA Willis should be disqualified for her misconduct in this unjustified, unwarranted political persecution,” Steve Sadow, one of the former president’s lead Georgia attorneys, said immediately after the court’s announcement on May 8, 2024.

    On April 1, Trump and the remaining defendants in Georgia’s historic racketeering indictment formally appealed Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee’s ruling. That appeal came after McAfee gave the green light to allow such an appeal over his decision. The appeal was signed by all of the attorneys representing the remaining co-defendants who have not already settled the case in Fulton County Superior Court.

    However, the appeals court denied hearing a similar appeal from Harrison Floyd, one of the remaining co-defendants and the only person indicted who actually spent time in jail after not posting bail.

    In March, McAfee rejected defense efforts to remove Willis and her office over her romantic relationship with special prosecutor Nathan Wade, but he did give the defendants permission to seek a review of his decision from the appeals court. In his ruling, McAfee wrote Willis must remove Wade from the racketeering indictment if she were to remain on the case. Wade resigned just hours after that ruling.

    Willis herself has engaged in a continuing war of words with her opponents who say they want to hold her accountable over her prosecution and indictment of the nation’s 45th president.

    During a May 7, 2024, news conference in which she announced the endorsement of several prominent Black faith leaders in Atlanta, Willis said she would not honor any subpoena issued by a state Senate committee investigating her use of public funds in her Trump investigation.

    “First of all, I don’t even think they have the authority to subpoena me, but they need to learn the law,” Willis said Monday. “I will not appear to anything that is unlawful, and I have not broken the law in any way. I’m sorry folks get pissed off that everybody gets treated evenly.”

    After her remarks, Lt. Gov. Burt Jones - a likely candidate for governor in Georgia’s wide-open 2026 gubernatorial race - said on X (formerly known as Twitter), “If subpoenaed by the Committee, she will be required to appear or she will be in violation of Georgia law. This is what treating everybody evenly looks like, even if DA Willis doesn’t like being held accountable.”

    Last week, state Sen. Bill Cowsert (R-Athens), who chairs the committee investigating Willis, said he would subpoena the Democratic district attorney if she doesn’t agree to appear before his committee.

    “She’s a key part of the investigation that her viewpoints are valued by us,” Cowsert said after the committee’s most recent hearing. “We need to hear what she has to say and her explanation of what she thinks are the appropriate rules ought to be going forward so we don’t have this kind of scandal give Georgia a black eye.”

    On Friday, the committee reconvened after state lawmakers earlier this year charged it to determine if Willis engaged in any financial misconduct in her investigation and subsequent historic indictment of Trump.

    At the heart of the Senate committee’s investigation is Willis’ hiring of Wade and the timing of when their relationship turned romantic. The committee is also looking into allegations that Willis misused state and federal funds.

    The move to disqualify Willis began in early January after Michael Roman, one of Trump’s co-defendants, and Ashleigh Merchant, Roman’s attorney, accused Willis and Wade of having an improper relationship. Both Willis and Wade have since acknowledged a romantic relationship.

    The allegations that Willis had improperly benefited from her romance with Wade upended the case for weeks. Intimate details of Willis and Wade’s personal lives were aired in court in mid-February. Trump and 18 others were indicted in August, accused of illegally trying to overturn his narrow 2020 presidential election loss to Democrat Joe Biden in Georgia.

    Trump himself has already become the first ex-president in American history to stand trial on criminal charges, as witness testimony continues in his hush money trial. Trump is going on trial on 34 felony counts that he falsified his company’s business records in an attempt to cover up a hush-money payment to adult film star Stephanie Clifford, aka Stormy Daniels.

    Trump has pleaded not guilty to all of the criminal cases that have been filed against him since he left the White House in 2021, including those filed by Willis.

    The Atlanta-based district attorney indicted Trump and 18 others in August 2023 on charges of engaging in a criminal, racketeering-like attempt to overturn Georgia’s 2020 election. That election saw Joe Biden become the first Democrat since Bill Clinton in 1992 to carry Georgia or any other deep Southern state.

    McAfee has also rejected arguments from Trump and his attorneys that the actions of the nation’s 45th president are protected by the First Amendment.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    LOL.

    I intend to vote for the guy even if he's in Russian exile with Ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL.

    I intend to vote for the guy even if he's in Russian exile with Ed.
    Pretty much this.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
    That would have happened if Jeb! had won in 2016.

    If you really wanted to go back to making republicans "electable" you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 and convince Ron Paul not to run, because he started the disunity. (thank God)
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    That would have happened if Jeb! had won in 2016.

    If you really wanted to go back to making republicans "electable" you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 and convince Ron Paul not to run, because he started the disunity. (thank God)
    Except Jeb isn't someone that you can turn into a gigantic cash cow like you can with Trump. Democrats fundraise and make more money off their "hatred" of Trump than anything else. That's why I refuse to take any of these indictments seriously because there's no way they want to jail the guy that makes them so much bank. It's also why I refuse to believe Trump will go away after 2024 because the Democrats need him to continue getting involved in future presidential elections so that he can screw the GOP in those elections as well.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 08-15-2023 at 08:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
    It's also the real reason I think for J6. He didn't expect the States legislatures to change anything, I didn't either. He didn't expect Pence to do anything like Trump said, Trump already knew he wouldn't and Pence is a straight arrow.

    Trump did it so he could get as many Republicans as possible to support it in a vote and then get them all removed in the most embarrassing mess possible. And some of them were going to vote for it. And Trump controlled all those federal agents infiltrating the crowd. He was the executive.

    Mike Pence, Thomas Massie and Rand Paul were right not to go along with it -
    it was a setup to damage conservatives by Trump.

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